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Could the Redskins be moving towards a West Coast offense? We have really fast receivers who can do great YAC, we picked up Musgrave who was a BIG west coast guy, we drafted Campbell who ran a West Coast type offense to almost perfection. It seems to make a bit of sense. I think this could be interesting, I certainly would like to see it.

Maurice Clarett - Everyone knows I like the kid, and Denver can certainly pick RBs. Portis, TD, etc. Will Clarett get any credit if he has a great NFL career with Denver? Or will everyone forever keep blaming him for trying to enter the NFL early.

Do some of these pickups spell the cut/trade of players like Betts, Ramsey, anyone else? I wonder who you think will be traded or cut come the start of the season, especially those having to do directly with our drafting!

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Clarett doesn't fit in the same mold as TD, Clinton, Gary and the other Denver runners, but I do expect him to help out after getting into shape. As for te west coast? Nah. Joe is willing to change HIS offense some... but not that much. As for cuts. I think Betts is gone, Kozlowski is gone, Hasselbeck is gone (unfortunately) and maybe Rock Cartwright is gone. I think Gardner will be back though and that's why we DID NOT draft a receicver, even in the late rounds.

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Betts won't be cut. However, he will be a highly sought RFA after this year if a team hasn't already contacted us about him. He's a prototype NFL back well worth the second rounder we used to draft him. :oink:

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Musgrave was hired to work with the quarterbacks - not to be an offensive coordinator. With the acquisitions of a couple big running backs/fullbacks in the draft, it reinforces the fact that Gibbs wants to further enhance the run first philosophy. For instance, in the 80's, Gibbs had the featured back, like Byner, who would go out on short yardage plays and replaced by guys like George Rogers or Gerald Riggs. These guys were big fullbacks who could easily move the pile and gain the yard or get across the goal line.

It was a component that was missing from the offense this past season.

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Clarett will be fine. He couldn't be a luckier guy to go to Denver. He will flourish in that system. We all know why Musgrave is here. He is gonna call plays there is no way he came here to just do qbs. I dont care what anyone says. Rock wont be gone since we just resigned him. Wouldn't make any sense but nothing surprises me anymore.

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No, we won't go to a west coast offense, we'll still be a run-first offense, but the passing scheme in our offense is like that of the west coast offense. The routes and passing plays are similar, with short controlled well timed passes, just in this scheme they dont take the place of a run. Musgrave was brought in becase he's widely heralded as a great guy to develop a QB. We need it. I seriously doubt he'll do much more than that.

Clarett probably will be a great back someday, but as for denver having a Prototype Back... thats untrue. Several different style backs have had success in denvers system. Stand Quenten Griffin next to Mike Anderson and tell me they're close to the same. If it weren't for the fumbling and injuries they'd both be pro-bowl backs in that system. I think Clarett went to a place that breeds great backs, and that could actually work to lower his future value, because those that do have a bad taste in their mouths for them will always call his success a product of the system.

As for cuts, Ramsey has a year to prove himself. Betts is here to stay, he ran like an animal last year when they put him in. Brunell probably has a year and he's gone no matter what. Gardner will be back for his contract year (hopefully that'll motivate him to be productive). Cartwright isnt going anywhere just yet, but I dont exactly understand that. Most of our runs came from singleback formations with an H-back in blocking. Cartwright is an excellent FB who can open holes up, but I dont remember seeing much of him last year.

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Maybe not a true west coast, but more of a Jon Gruden type WC offensive style merged in with the traditional Joe Gibbs 3 headed monster running attack.

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[QUOTE=drew54]Maybe not a true west coast, but more of a Jon Gruden type WC offensive style merged in with the traditional Joe Gibbs 3 headed monster running attack.[/QUOTE]


It's funny you mentioned Jon Gruden because he said he models his offense after Joe Gibbs' offense.

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Exactly what I meant, not Walsh's west coast offense, but a hybrid. The Falcons run a run-first west coast offense, and I think something like that could be good for us. However, it would certainly need to throw the balls 5-10 more times a game to do this.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]It's funny you mentioned Jon Gruden because he said he models his offense after Joe Gibbs' offense.[/QUOTE]

Where did you hear this? I always thought he was a true WC guy because of his SF and GB upbringing. I know he loves to run the ball. "Pound that Rock"

Thats pretty cool that he tries to model his offense after our glory days.

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[QUOTE=drew54]Where did you hear this? I always thought he was a true WC guy because of his SF and GB upbringing. I know he loves to run the ball. "Pound that Rock"

Thats pretty cool that he tries to model his offense after our glory days.[/QUOTE]


I heard this back during their Super Bowl year. I remember Gruden being interviewed and talking about how he liked to pattern his offense after Joe Gibbs' offenses of the 80's and early 90's. I was shocked when I had heard this from him, and noticed alot of similarities in his offense and how ours was at its best.

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Betts still has a role here as the primary backup for Portis, I see White filling the Gerald Riggs type role.

As for Clarett, best of luck to him but I honestly don't care.

As for a west coast change, who knows. I think we'll definitely see some new wrinkles next year, who knows at this point what the changes will be exactly.

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I think Betts, and Morton are gone. Rock will stay Hasselbeck gone.
I think Musgave will help our qb' s work on their playaction selling, and footwork/ mechanics.

I hope Clarett does real well, as well as McPhereson, Randy Moss, TO, and anyone else the Media spends all their time hating on.These are the same reporters who talk down on the skins organization and dan snyder.

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broughton will be a third string RB and rock is gone (man i love his size and speed)
white jr. will be a taking a TE roll IMO being 6'3 245 and RUNS A 4.50! with good hands (love this pick)
mccune will make a severe push at starting MLB cause of barrow's injuries and being arrington is still hurt and lemar will probably go back to WLB. at 6'0" 245lbs and runs a 4.50 and a great age to learn at 26 make this my favorite pick in the draft for day 2 (just ahead of the broughton pick)
newberry is str8 up SP's and devlopement project (smart is always good and he has it)

i love our late round picks and expect a good solid UFA class as well. broughton is gonna be a solid big "Gibbs type" runner and im excited to see how much we use him (especially if portis isnt hitting his HOMERUNS.) i noticed we went big and athletic with starting experience and with newberry being a very intelligent guy along with mccune a reserve for the military.

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broughton in, rock out
mccune in, barnes out
white jr. in, kozlowski out
newberry in, kheri campbell out
rogers in, could it be the end of the ADE JIMOH FAN CLUB?
campbell in, hasselbeck out

anyone else have a opinion?

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Question 1: The West Coast offense; its hard to say. We defntley have the tools in place to be good in that type of offense; but the players we have really could be good in any type of offense, they just need to execute.

Questoin 2: If Clarett has a good career, I think he will get credit for that as long as he has no off the feild problems in the NFL. I really dont think people will dwell on his entering the NFL early if he performs well.

Question 3: I dont think this spells doom for anyone in perticular. Ramsey will not be cut, MAYBE Brunell after June 1, but still i find that highly doubtful and unessacarry (he did take a pay cut, so its not a pressing cut). I think cuts will be made, but I dont think the draft will really effect anyone.

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Daseal:

To address your questions in order:

No, I don't think that the Skins are edging toward a West Coast offense. I do believe that the "Joe Gibbs offense" can look a lot like a West Coast offense when it focuses on the short passing game to the exclusion of the deep game, but I don't think the Skins are moving in that direction in any intentional way.


I know you like Clarett. You know that I do not. Here's where I am on Clarett as of today. He got drafted by Denver. If there is ANY team in the NFL that has a history of knowing who is potentially a productive RB in the NFL, it has to be the Broncos. So I defer to their judgment here. If Clarett becomes the man in Denver and gains 1200 yards this year, he will have some folks who say he is a product of the system. After all, he would certainly not be the first back to do that! So he may indeed be shortchanged for some potential accomplishments. But the reverse is not true. If injuries force him to be the starter and all he does is gain 800 yards in that running system, he will be pilloried as a draft day bust. Is that fair? Maybe not. But I think that is where it stands as of today.



Will Betts be traded/cut? Probably not, but it might happen if some other back shows REALLY well in training camp and in the exhibition games.

Will Ramsey be traded/cut? Not this year. Not even if he plays as poorly as Brunell did for the first 8 games of last year - or even a bit worse. If he plays that badly, he'll be gonzo next February/March, but not during the season. The issue you may need to worry about is this one:

Suppose Ramsey has a good - but not spectacular - year. What will the Skins offer him under those circumstances in the next offseason? That could provide for some REAL soap opera melodrama and fireworks for next March and April!

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3 Questions, 3 answers...

A change to the West Coast Offense? Actually, Gibbs learned his offensive scheme from Don Coryell while he was an assistant at San Diego, so in a sense, his philosophy was the original 'West Coast' offense way before Bill Walsh implemented what we now know it to be in San Fransisco. In any case, I hope we don't. That would only mean more short, sideline to sideline passes and less deep throws, and that was the main point of criticism Gibbs took last year. It would also involve changing terminology, no more H-backs, bringing in fullbacks, and running slant patterns -- something Gibbs has publicly said he doesn't like to run, something about it exposing wideouts to injury. To the contrary, I've read that Auburn's offense is similar to Gibbs' one-back system. If anything, I'd like to see more 3 wideout sets.

Maurice "The Rules Don't Apply To Me" Clarett ?? His success will depend greatly on how soon he sells out his teammates and coaches similar to the way he did at Ohio State. We also need to see if he's improved his 40 yard dash time since the Combine. You know, when 300 plus pound offensive linemen were beating his run time? Hopefully he's cleared that up.

Ladell Betts really solidified himself with his big effort against Minnesota. I think he'll need one more season backing up Portis before he gets any value in terms of a trade. Hopefully it won't come in the way of a significant injury to Portis, of course. But it would be nice to see Betts become the next Lamont Jordan. Whether he gets that chance remains to be seen.

Taking Campbell doesn't say much for the coaching staff's faith in Patrick Ramsey. To me, there's no other way to look at it. Anyone who disagrees is probably being a little naive. Obviously Ramsey didn't do enough to completely sell the coaches that he's the man, and that there's no need to start grooming a replacement.

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I disagree, but I don't think I'm being naive. I think that the coaching staff is bringing in talent as a "just in case" situation.

I mean look at our backups pre-draft. A has-been and a never-was.

I'd prefer to have someone be a project waiting in the wings if none of them pan out.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I disagree, but I don't think I'm being naive. I think that the coaching staff is bringing in talent as a "just in case" situation.

I mean look at our backups pre-draft. A has-been and a never-was.

I'd prefer to have someone be a project waiting in the wings if none of them pan out.[/QUOTE]

See, I think Hasselbeck was perfect for the back-up job. Maybe not for long periods if Ramsey went down for more than one game, but in a pinch, he would be fine. And again, I'd have no problem with the pick if Brunell weren't a salary cap deadweight issue -- but I still think that was an awful lot to give up for the #25 pick.

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[quote]Ladell Betts really solidified himself with his big effort against Minnesota.[/quote]

I don't think we should consider Ladell Betts anything. He ran against Minnesota's run defense. An autistic midget could.

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Sir, I am an autistic midget, and I resent that. We can run on lots of defenses. And we can catch out of the backfield too.