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I hope we get Fangio. Him making a lateral move would be interestinf but its know that his family prefers this area and Him and Gruden share the same agent. So i think it woukd be a huge upgrade

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I thought Fangio was under contract until 2015. Wouldn't we need the 49ers to either let him interview or cut him? I took a quick look, didn't see any news of that.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/01/washington-to-interview-vic-fangio-for-coordinator-post/]Washington to interview Vic Fangio for coordinator post | ProFootballTalk[/url]


Just also saw on twitter that the Skins have been denied by 49ers to interview him.

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Better options out there IMO. Look at his defense's rankings at San Francisco versus at Indianapolis and Houston. The talent in San Francisco had a lot to do with his success.

That said, he had a good defense this year even with injuries and suspensions to some of his best players.

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Greg Manusky would be an interesting guy.

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I don't think any of those 3 gets hired, but Barry is the most interesting one to me

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102685]I don't think any of those 3 gets hired, but Barry is the most interesting one to me[/quote]

You hearing any other targets?

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It appears that we are doing due diligence well. Let's hope it's not just appearance.

That said, any DC is likely just a one-year rental, until the impending Great Purge of 2016.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102687]You hearing any other targets?[/quote]

Been busy with other stuff these days

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[url=http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=14410&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FMuycAs0xrZ%22%7D]NFL Potential Redskins defensive coordinators - ESPN[/url]

From keim.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102685]I don't think any of those 3 gets hired, but Barry is the most interesting one to me[/quote]

He was part of the "tampa crew" back in the day. WOuldn't be surprisd if he's brought in to our Tampa 2.0

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[quote=Chico23231;1102696][url=http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=14410&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FMuycAs0xrZ%22%7D]NFL Potential Redskins defensive coordinators - ESPN[/url]

From keim.[/quote]



Might as well change the title.


[B][SIZE="6"]UPDATE: The Redskins did not receive permission to speak with Fangio, according to a team source. [/SIZE][/B]

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Not yet but they likely will.

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Yawn. I'll get excited when we get some new players. Doesn't matter who's calling the defense when it's deficient of talent.

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Dallas' defense was abysmal but they brought in a new coordinator and a bunch of no-name parts and did a lot better

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1102724]Dallas' defense was abysmal but they brought in a new coordinator and a bunch of no-name parts and did a lot better[/quote]

Well said, look up in buffalo and Detroit, too. Sure we need to add some players especially in the secondary but we a need a new voice/scheme on d for sure.

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Just hope its not Raheem Morris,Ive never seen a secondary look as bad as ours

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in his defense, how many secondaries have you seen with...."talent" like ours?

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[quote=Hog1;1102740]in his defense, how many secondaries have you seen with...."talent" like ours?[/quote]In what way is our secondary not talented? Amerson high draft pick. Hall highly coveted free agent in his ATL/OAK days. Clark, good safety Gibbs 2.0 and Steelers. Thomas and Breeland 4th rd draft picks.....

Our D coaches have sucked.

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49ers want to interview Fangio for the HC position and don't want to lose him as DC. On another turn of events, 49ers will interview Gase and Shanahan in Denver tomorrow. [url=http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/report-49ers-will-meet-mike-shanahan]Report: 49ers will meet with Mike Shanahan | CSN Bay Area[/url]

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102741]In what way is our secondary not talented? Amerson high draft pick. Hall highly coveted free agent in his ATL/OAK days. Clark, good safety Gibbs 2.0 and Steelers. Thomas and Breeland 4th rd draft picks.....

Our D coaches have sucked.[/quote]

I will have to view your post largely as an attempt at jocularity?

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Our safeties have been bad for years. Clark? Dude was washed up before he got here. Amerson hasn't lived up to his billing as a ballhawk. Breeland was our lone bright spot this year.

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[quote=Hog1;1102745]I will have to view your post largely as an attempt at jocularity?[/quote]It's hardly a "no name" defense. The real joke is saying this defense has been well coached. It hasn't been.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102747]It's hardly a "no name" defense. The real joke is saying this defense has been well coached. It hasn't been.[/quote]

It's not overly talented either. Coaching and talent are both issues.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102747]It's hardly a "no name" defense. The real joke is saying this defense has been well coached. It hasn't been.[/quote]

Can you please point out in any of my posts where I indicated in any way that the Defensive secondary coaching staff (or any Redskins defensive staff) has done a good job.........or well coached

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[quote=Hog1;1102749]Can you please point out in any of my posts where I indicated in any way that the Defensive secondary coaching staff (or any Redskins defensive staff) has done a good job.........or well coached[/quote]You made the excuse that our secondary wasn't talented. I proved that excuse wrong.

Just to clarify:
Amerson - 2nd rd pick
Breeland and Thomas - 4th round picks
Clark - proved he had talent with Steelers, didn't do a bad job here in Gibbs 2.0.
Hall - proved he had talent here and ATL.

We have a talented secondary. This is not a unit that hasn't received plenty of attention in the draft and FA, especially considering it's only one part of the D. So please don't use "talent" in our secondary as an excuse for our pathetic defense.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102751][B]You made the excuse that our secondary wasn't talented. I proved that excuse wrong.[/B]

Just to clarify:
Amerson - 2nd rd pick
Breeland and Thomas - 4th round picks
Clark - proved he had talent with Steelers, didn't do a bad job here in Gibbs 2.0.
Hall - proved he had talent here and ATL.

We have a talented secondary. This is not a unit that hasn't received plenty of attention in the draft and FA, especially considering it's only one part of the D. So please don't use "talent" in our secondary as an excuse for our pathetic defense.[/quote]

He made no "excuse." He made an observation. He is correct that even though Haslett coached poorly, he wasn't given many tools to work with.

Can you tell me how the safety position was solidified in talent while Haslett was here? What long-term high-caliber starters were added?

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I just like to know we haven't been able to develop folks in the secondary...???

Folks this is a good example of our dysfunction. Like the arguement of talent and coaching issues on the defense...we also have problems developing a plan and scouting for corners and safeties from a personel perspective.

I'd just like to know for once what was the plan to replace Sean Taylor at free safety? This issue has been going on since 2007. Wtf!!! Why can't we solve this position?

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[quote=Lotus;1102753]He made no "excuse." He made an observation. He is correct that even though Haslett coached poorly, he wasn't given many tools to work with.

Can you tell me how the safety position was solidified in talent while Haslett was here? What long-term high-caliber starters were added?[/quote]Here are the relevant quotes:

[quote=htownskinfan;1102727]Just hope its not Raheem Morris,Ive never seen a secondary look as bad as ours[/quote]
[quote=Hog1;1102740]in his defense, how many secondaries have you seen with...."talent" like ours?[/quote]

Lotus, it absolutely was an excuse. For Morris, not Haslett BTW. [U]And Hog1 is as entitled to his opinion as anyone[/U]. But FFS, are ppl here in complete denial about everything?

We can argue about why the secondary sucked this year, but I have shown that talent isn't the issue. We can talk about performance, but talent, pedigree, is not an issue with our secondary.

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Will you please explain the importance of draft position and results on the field?
I think you will find our secondary was voted most popular with the league QB's who can chuck the rock over 50 yards. No doubt their guy would not be covered by our guy. Perhaps the coaches forgot to tell them "HEY! when that Cheetah looking dude blows by you like 80 mph.....don't forget to follow him!!! Sadly we all to often....forgot
BTW....did you see any Skins games this year? You may have noticed Hall was not in there or is that coaching as well?
Clark is at least a year or two to late....and slow. Did I ask you if you watched any Skins games this year? Jury is still out on Amerson...but I have high hopes four him.
Breeland looks like the real deal.. very happy about that. Thomas is....totally a wait and see guy as he has not been healthy long enough to evaluate.
I noticed you failed to point out the instances where I suggested the unit was well coached. Why is that?
Did we discuss the part about relationship of draft position and results on the field? Let me help:
RYAN LEAF?
AKILI SMITH?
JEMARCUS RUSSEL.....to name a few

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[quote=Hog1;1102759]Will you please explain the importance of draft position and results on the field?
I think you will find our secondary was voted most popular with the league QB's who can chuck the rock over 50 yards. No doubt their guy would not be covered by our guy. Perhaps the coaches forgot to tell them "HEY! when that Cheetah looking dude blows by you like 80 mph.....don't forget to follow him!!! Sadly we all to often....forgot
BTW....did you see any Skins games this year? You may have noticed Hall was not in there or is that coaching as well?
Clark is at least a year or two to late....and slow. Did I ask you if you watched any Skins games this year? Jury is still out on Amerson...but I have high hopes four him.
Breeland looks like the real deal.. very happy about that. Thomas is....totally a wait and see guy as he has not been healthy long enough to evaluate.
I noticed you failed to point out the instances where I suggested the unit was well coached. Why is that?
Did we discuss the part about relationship of draft position and results on the field? Let me help:
RYAN LEAF?
AKILI SMITH?
JEMARCUS RUSSEL.....to name a few[/quote]Look up "talent" and get back to me, ok? Are you denying the last ppl you name weren't talented? My point is so far over your head at this point, it's having to register its flight path with the FAA.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1102724]Dallas' defense was abysmal but they brought in a new coordinator and a bunch of no-name parts and did a lot better[/quote]

Only part that worries me is that San Francisco defense has had anything but no name parts with guys like Willis and the Smith brothers among others.

With that said there is still a decent amount of raw talent for us on the defensive side of the ball and Fangio was able to send a pair of relative no name safeties to the pro bowl including Donte Whitner who as a former top 10 pick in Buffalo was thought to be a bust. Also FWIW he got Carlos Rodgers to the pro bowl :D

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102762]Look up "talent" and get back to me, ok? Are you denying the last ppl you name weren't talented? My point is so far over your head at this point, it's having to register its flight path with the FAA.[/quote]

Here again, you cleverly avoided addressing anything I posted....better that way I am sure for you.
BUT..alas...NO I do think as I have "already stated" Breeland and Amerson I think can play....but NO as I have "already Stated" Clark is way done unless we need him to hold open the revolving door to our pass coverage. Hall...who knows how he will return...but did you know...as I "already stated" he did not play this year....like in games....this year.

Is this information on your flight path?

I took your advice...according to Miriam Webster, Talent is "the special ability to do something well". I would certainly not describe our unit as a whole in those terms...with the exception of Am and Bree.
More importantly, I have become bored with this nonsensical exercise in avoidance.....soo
httr

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[quote=Hog1;1102770]Here again, you cleverly avoided addressing anything I posted....better that way I am sure for you.
BUT..alas...NO I do think as I have "already stated" Breeland and Amerson I think can play....but NO as I have "already Stated" Clark is way done unless we need him to hold open the revolving door to our pass coverage. Hall...who knows how he will return...but did you know...as I "already stated" he did not play this year....like in games....this year.

Is this information on your flight path?

I took your advice...according to Miriam Webster, Talent is "the special ability to do something well". I would certainly not describe our unit as a whole in those terms...with the exception of Am and Bree.
More importantly, I have become bored with this nonsensical exercise in avoidance.....soo
httr[/quote]You defended Morris with our secondary's (your words) "...."talent""

Amerson, Bree, Thomas, wouldn't have been drafted as high as they were without talent. Clark and Hall wouldn't have done as well as they have done without talent.

Even if you want to point out Clark and Hall are over the hill, the rest are not.

There is no defense of Morris, or any of our defensive coaches, on the basis of getting scraps or JAGs.

Maybe if you re-read the last couple pages, and my response to Lotus for example, my point might be clearer. FAA, hell. My point may have to register with NASA now. lol. HTTR

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[quote=Mattyk;1102746]Our safeties have been bad for years. Clark? Dude was washed up before he got here. Amerson hasn't lived up to his billing as a ballhawk. Breeland was our lone bright spot this year.[/quote]

The thing with Amerson, he seems to have gotten worse from his rookie season when all you heard in the off season is how he put on the muscle to help with press coverage. He really had 1 good game this season

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We have a lot of unproven dudes and washed up guys here. Minus Breeland and Hall (who I think can still hack it).

Amerson and Thomas still have yet to impress. Are they talented? Potentially.

Clark has been anything but impressive during his 2nd stint here. WAS he talented? Yes, in his prime. Is he still talented? Doesn't seem like it anymore.

Talent can and does go away.

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Careful....you'll get the dreaded...NASA treatment

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102778]You defended Morris with our secondary's (your words) "...."talent""

Amerson, Bree, Thomas, wouldn't have been drafted as high as they were without talent. Clark and Hall wouldn't have done as well as they have done without talent.

Even if you want to point out Clark and Hall are over the hill, the rest are not.

There is no defense of Morris, or any of our defensive coaches, on the basis of getting scraps or JAGs.

Maybe if you re-read the last couple pages, and my response to Lotus for example, my point might be clearer. FAA, hell. My point may have to register with NASA now. lol. HTTR[/quote]

No one here is arguing against the idea that Morris has coached poorly. But it is ALSO true that he has not been given the tools to work with.

To understand this, please answer the question I asked before: what capable, long-term starter help has Morris been given specifically at safety?

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All I know is that teams love Wade Phillips as a DC so I like that option and Ken Norton Jr.

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Id rather have Vic Mackey.