A New Day: Scot McCloughan GM Thread Part 2
 

Let's face it. This team has not had a real GM since 1999 when Casserly was fired. Embarrassing, laughable, despicable and rock bottom have been appropriate words the past 15 years.

This week, the unexpected and unexplainable happened. Who knew a REAL football mind would make it to the front office. Dan finally gets it. He made the call to bring in Scotty, no matter how Bruce tried to make it look in the press conference that he lured him here. What guy would actually admit that he sucks at his job and needs to bring someone else in to do it for him? Yeah, it was Dan all along.

The tide has turned. The Redskins future is much brighter. We will have a team to be proud of soon.

What I like about Scotty:

He understands that building a winning team comes through the draft.

He realizes you need to focus on big Oline and Dline guys which takes less pressure off of the QB winning the game.

He seems like a straight shooter who will have no problem getting rid of coaches who are not doing their job.

He will change the culture to smarter football players who aren't just looking for a check.

Scotty is the best thing to happen to this team since Sean Taylor and Joe Gibbs 2.0



I'm Virgil freaking Tibbs and this is my first attempt starting a thread here but will not be my last. Go ahead, discuss....

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Lonnie Jamison was always my fav. Welcome :food-smil

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Welcome, but even if you're Virgil freaking Tibbs 😊you will find that on the WP people don't appreciate unnecessary threads. We are already discussing SM in another thread, this all could have been said there. Just some friendly advice to a new comer. Glad to have you. Im excited too.

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[quote=WillH;1103996]Welcome, but even if you're Virgil freaking Tibbs 😊you will find that on the WP people don't appreciate unnecessary threads. We are already discussing SM in another thread, this all could have been said there. Just some friendly advice to a new comer. Glad to have you. Im excited too.[/quote]

This ain't an unnecessary thread. That other thread is an introduction to the GM and announcing his arrival.

This thread goes deeper concerning the future of the franchise, in depth positives concerning the changes in the front office, and overall outlook on the vision of the team based on the new GM.

So let's talk about it folks.

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[quote=WillH;1103996]Welcome, but even if you're Virgil freaking Tibbs 😊you will find that on the WP people don't appreciate unnecessary threads. We are already discussing SM in another thread, this all could have been said there. Just some friendly advice to a new comer. Glad to have you. Im excited too.[/quote]

I tend to agree this probably could have gone in the SM thread, but I think the thread's central question, what makes this front office any different, is a good one. For instance, does this one hire stabilize a fractured FO? I'm not so sure. How much more change would make us a well run organization?

Either way, welcome to the board Virgil!

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Virgil, you created a lot of phony posts in other threads to raise your post count, just so that you could create this essentially duplicate thread.

Not good.

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I was intrigued by the thread title. I thought maybe this about "Why should we have hope this time?" Or maybe it was about "How are we structured vs other teams?"

But it's not really.

However, since the other thread is approaching 300 posts and I know some people get upset by long threads, I'm going to lock that one and keep this open with a new thread title

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SmootSmack making the hard decisions and keeping it real.

It's why he makes the big bucks.

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[quote=VirgilTibbs;1103994]Let's face it. This team has not had a real GM since 1999 when Casserly was fired. Embarrassing, laughable, despicable and rock bottom have been appropriate words the past 15 years.

This week, the unexpected and unexplainable happened. Who knew a REAL football mind would make it to the front office. Dan finally gets it. He made the call to bring in Scotty, no matter how Bruce tried to make it look in the press conference that he lured him here. What guy would actually admit that he sucks at his job and needs to bring someone else in to do it for him? Yeah, it was Dan all along.

The tide has turned. The Redskins future is much brighter. We will have a team to be proud of soon.

What I like about Scotty:

He understands that building a winning team comes through the draft.

He realizes you need to focus on big Oline and Dline guys which takes less pressure off of the QB winning the game.

He seems like a straight shooter who will have no problem getting rid of coaches who are not doing their job.

He will change the culture to smarter football players who aren't just looking for a check.

Scotty is the best thing to happen to this team since Sean Taylor and Joe Gibbs 2.0



I'm Virgil freaking Tibbs and this is my first attempt starting a thread here but will not be my last. Go ahead, discuss....[/quote]

Welcome Virgil freaking Tibbs to the Warpath! What I like about Scot McCloughan is similar to what you like. I will also add that Scot has come from teams that run a similar West Coast offense as what Jay runs. So, McCloughan is already going to have a very good idea what type of players Jay is going to need to make this thing work. And I think with both guys appearing to be straight shooters, they should have no problem with knowing where they both stand on players chosen.

And we all know Snyder is not one to be patient, but I think he's going to be very patient with Scot McCloughan. He knows he's hit a goldmine with this guy. He's proven, quite recently, how to build championship teams. We're not just talking teams that can make the wild card round on a consistent basis, we're talking about championship teams. Everybody eventually "gets it" at some point or another, and Snyder has gotten it. I know there's going to be guys who will not believe it until it's proven on the field - and that's fine. But again, I'm 100% on board with Scot McCloughan, and I think he's going truly going to turn this organization around.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1104010]I was intrigued by the thread title. I thought maybe this about "Why should we have hope this time?" Or maybe it was about "How are we structured vs other teams?"

But it's not really.

However, since the other thread is approaching 300 posts and I know some people get upset by long threads, I'm going to lock that one and keep this open with a new thread title[/QUOTE]
Smootsmack - winning the offseason mod style

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[quote=SmootSmack;1104010]I was intrigued by the thread title. I thought maybe this about "Why should we have hope this time?" Or maybe it was about "How are we structured vs other teams?"

But it's not really.

However, since the other thread is approaching 300 posts and I know some people get upset by long threads, I'm going to lock that one and keep this open with a new thread title[/quote]

Hey ss, what's your opinion about the structure within the organization, what changes there can we anticipate?

I would expected Campbell to go and scouting department to be completely revamped, which will be a huge improvement to the org. I would hope McC will bring in someone from the outside, one of his guys, to be a like General assistant to him. Someone who can not only assit but can buffer as well and keep the lackies at bay. It seems like the skins organization is somewhat game of thrones-ish. Sadly.

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AJ Smith-I expect him gone. I think it was going to be all or nothing for him. Either he comes here and is the man officially, or he's just not involved. He was too influential this past year + to just suddenly take a backseat in my opinion. That said, I wouldn't mind if we could keep him around

Scott Campbell-You can't keep him around. You just can't. You can't preach change in the front office and keep the one constant of the past 14 years here. Good guy, probably not totally at fault but he needs to go

Doug Williams-Not sure about this one. Ultimately, he's harmless whether he stays or goes

As for the scouts, I'm sure there will be changes but I don't know what or the extent of it

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[quote=VirgilTibbs;1103997]This ain't an unnecessary thread. That other thread is an introduction to the GM and announcing his arrival.

This thread goes deeper concerning the future of the franchise, in depth positives concerning the changes in the front office, and overall outlook on the vision of the team based on the new GM.

So let's talk about it folks.[/quote]

Nah, this was literally the exact same thread, but whatever.............

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1104011]SmootSmack making the hard decisions and keeping it real.

It's why he makes the big bucks.

Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk[/quote]

Jason Reid would like to know if he has gotten over his drinking problem though. LOL.

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I've followed Scot here in SF and Seattle and have always been jealous of the picks he made for those team while we got some good (mostly average talent). The 49ers have had some great drafts since 2005 (when Scot Joined) to the present day with Baalke.

The question is:

Does Baalke's success come due to the scouting team assembled by Scot or is Trent Baalke just as talented? I say both.

Yes, Scot also whiffed on some picks like passing on Aaron Rogers and going with Alex Smith instead. Scot to me is a real savvy GM, he assembled great talent on 2 teams and yes he had some personal issues (drinking) which were never revealed until he left Seattle. I wasn't aware that he had been hanging out in a farm in Seattle chilling, till I read the ESPN article and was like, why don't the Skins go after him. The rest is history and we got lucky as hell that the Raiders wanted to be the Raiders and not offer him full control and get rid of McKenzie.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1104011]SmootSmack making the hard decisions and [B]keeping it real[/B].

It's why he makes the big bucks.

Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk[/quote]
THAT lol'd me Joe........

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1104019]I've followed Scot here in SF and Seattle and have always been jealous of the picks he made for those team while we got some good (mostly average talent). The 49ers have had some great drafts since 2005 (when Scot Joined) to the present day with Baalke.



The question is:



Does Baalke's success come due to the scouting team assembled by Scot or is Trent Baalke just as talented? I say both.



Yes, Scot also whiffed on some picks like passing on Aaron Rogers and going with Alex Smith instead. Scot to me is a real savvy GM, he assembled great talent on 2 teams and yes he had some personal issues (drinking) which were never revealed until he left Seattle. I wasn't aware that he had been hanging out in a farm in Seattle chilling, till I read the ESPN article and was like, why don't the Skins go after him. The rest is history and we got lucky as hell that the Raiders wanted to be the Raiders and not offer him full control and get rid of McKenzie.[/QUOTE]


Wouldn't really say he wiffed on drafting Alex Smith. He did have a a year when he made the pro bowl and led his team to the playoffs, and he still has a starting QB role in the NFL. And even if he wiffed there, he made it up with his second selection, F Gore, probably San Frans best franchise RB.

In comparison the Skins really show why this franchise is where it is in their first two picks that year. Two first round selections and neither of those players lasted past their initial rookie deals, Carlos Rogers and J Camp. Both of which are on NFL rosters at positions the Redskins are in need of. Hopefully we are beyond trading away or not re-signing our drafted talent.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1104016]Nah, this was literally the exact same thread, but whatever.............[/quote]

Hey, Virgil freaking Tibbs is new here, he's not used to the way we do things around here. Let him settle in, we all remember a young member who came in rattling the earth and panicking everyone until he settled in line too. Listen Virgil freaking Tibbs, you have to understand we all step in the same line here, so don't try to rewrite the book ;).

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[quote=Chico23231;1104014]Hey ss, what's your opinion about the structure within the organization, what changes there can we anticipate?

I would expected Campbell to go and scouting department to be completely revamped, which will be a huge improvement to the org. I would hope McC will bring in someone from the outside, one of his guys, to be a like General assistant to him. Someone who can not only assit but can buffer as well and keep the lackies at bay. It seems like the skins organization is somewhat game of thrones-ish. Sadly.[/quote]

You would think that scouts will stay until after the draft. Firing all the scouts in the lead up to the draft is cray cray, even if they are not the best scouts.

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[quote=Lotus;1104029]You would think that scouts will stay until after the draft. Firing all the scouts in the lead up to the draft is cray cray, even if they are not the best scouts.[/quote]

McCloughan said that he will go through FA and the draft with the current staff and this will be his evaluation time for them. He said he will make decisions after that whether new people need to be brought in.

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Somebody said it earlier.......undoubtedly he has compiled much info regarding the upcoming draft. It should be no stretch to apply it to this team....

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1104016]Nah, this was literally the exact same thread, but whatever.............[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Right with you there EQ. I really hate it when newbies flood the forum with one word posts just to build up their post count.

Oh, wait ...

(But, yes. I agree it is just a continuation of the last thread which SmootSmack - with brilliant insight - noticed and reasonably remedied).

(Yes, JR is still in the kiss-up running).

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[quote=Skinzman;1104030]McCloughan said that he will go through FA and the draft with the current staff and this will be his evaluation time for them. He said he will make decisions after that whether new people need to be brought in.[/quote]

Thank you for that. I missed that. Good decision by McC.

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[quote=Lotus;1104029]You would think that scouts will stay until after the draft. Firing all the scouts in the lead up to the draft is cray cray, even if they are not the best scouts.[/quote]

Oh well yeah certainly. Def wait til after the draft

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[quote=Chico23231;1104034]Oh well yeah certainly. Def wait til after the draft[/quote]

Like you, I think the whole FO thing is gonna go to poop in the fall. But if McC can reform our scouting and perhaps clear out some dead wood, that could be an enduring contribution of his.

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[quote=mooby;1104028]Hey, Virgil freaking Tibbs is new here, he's not used to the way we do things around here. Let him settle in, we all remember a young member who came in rattling the earth and panicking everyone until he settled in line too. Listen Virgil freaking Tibbs, you have to understand we all step in the same line here, so don't try to rewrite the book ;).[/quote]


I have NO idea of whom this person is of which you speak.... lol

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1104032]Yeah. Right with you there EQ. I really hate it when newbies flood the forum with one word posts just to build up their post count.

Oh, wait ...

(But, yes. I agree it is just a continuation of the last thread which SmootSmack - with brilliant insight - noticed and reasonably remedied).



(Yes, JR is still in the kiss-up running).

Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk[/quote]

You cannot have my brown nosing crown. SmootSmack said it was mine and put a gold star and made note on it for my parents.

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Who found Breeland I wonder?

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[quote=WillH;1104039]Who found Breeland I wonder?[/quote]

Guess what I found last night will...

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1104040]Guess what I found last night will...[/QUOTE]


One of those bottles of Jack you got for christmas that still had a schwill left in it? Lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1104040]Guess what I found last night will...[/quote]

A chica?

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[quote=WillH;1104042]A chica?[/quote]

lol...not a new one though...

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[quote=punch it in;1104041]One of those bottles of Jack you got for christmas that still had a schwill left in it? Lol[/quote]

that too :joecool:

and my effing car alarm kept malfunctioning in the cold weather last night...neighbors giving me the "shaking head" this morning..i was a loud night

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Congrats, but be careful. I've never had good luck with the second try, but I hope you do.

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[quote=WillH;1104046]Congrats, but be careful. I've never had good luck with the second try, but I hope you do.[/quote]

oh no, its not that serious. but thanks homie.

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the more I read about Scot, the more I like him...

"he loves big Hog-like linemen"

I can't wait to see that transformation starting to take shape.

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Good luck to him and welcome to DC!

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I love this move, and it sets up for the future. But in order to transform this team, we'd need 3-4 good drafts before we feel the effects of McCloughan. Even achieving the impossible & hitting ProBowlers on 7 out of 7 this year alone -- they would still take 2-3 years to develop.

With our bad Oline, incompetent secondary, aging Dline and questionable QB play -- we'd need the stars to align quickly next year to be competitive. The only way we're good next year is if RG3 plays a lot better/stays healthy and a new D Coach somehow schemes the D to a top 10 overnight.


BUT - more realistically we're looking at a 2-3 year turnaround, and if we continue to suck next year, then Gruden may be on the hot seat.

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Wouldnt be surprised. The question I'm wondering, who will make the call to fire Gruden? And who decides on the new hire Snyder, McClough, or,even, Allen?

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I think by this time next year people will be loving Gruden instead of asking when will he be fired.