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What do you guys think will happen with Gardner after we were unable to trade him for a pick and we did not select any WR's. It would not surprise me if he is with us in 2005.

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At this point why not hang on to him and see if playing for a contract helps his production.

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Yeah that's probably what will happen. Gibbs will make it clear that he wants him to be reliable, I'm sure.

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he'll have a big chip on his shoulder next season. So I hope he can resolve his difference with the team

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]At this point why not hang on to him and see if playing for a contract helps his production.[/QUOTE]

Lets just cut are loses with Rod.......if 50/50's not on the field were a better team. Addition by Subtraction...........

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I would love to see him come back, do well, get a nice contract with us so we don't have to address WR next year since we don't have a first round pick.

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I mentioned several months ago that I thought keeping him was a good move because he will never be as motivated as he will be this season. It is all about the dollars gentlemen.

Most of you guys blasted me out of the water at that time.

By the way MATTY hope married life is treating you well!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]At this point why not hang on to him and see if playing for a contract helps his production.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Hopefully that will give him some motivation.

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After not drafting a WR and facing the prospect of starting Moss & Patten I now am ready to bring back 50/50 and hope that in his contract year he can at least improve to 75/25...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]At this point why not hang on to him and see if playing for a contract helps his production.[/QUOTE]


You know Matty that's the logical solution, but I say getting rid of him for whatever is addition by subtraction. If we hang on to this guy you know he will find his way on to the field, and we all know what that means, critical drops when we need him most, he's the little girl with the curl, he's nice to look at but he will break your heart everytime, Matty you know it's true, he's been givin every chance to succeed and just when you think he might, he burns us, I say cut the cord and give someone else a chance preferably McCants. I know it's tough not to get back anything for a #1 pick but it's time.

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I kind of agree with that too. Good thing is, we have the preseason to evaluate where we are talent-wise. See how he does in pre-season.

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I think we have to keep Gardner now! I wish we had taken Williams with or 9th pick!! We could have got a good CB at 25.

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Yeah, I think fan-wise, it would have been the popular thing to do. I really do want to give this decision a chance. I also think that Gibbs must be confident that we will be more than playoff bound to give up that 1st round pick next year.

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the skins got the highest rated qb in the draft,according to draft experts.ramsey's a$$ is on the line this season.if he plays like he has the last 3 years,he's not gonna be a redskin next year.i think gibbs know's what he's doing,the man has won 3 superbowls with some very medicore qbs who exceled in his system.

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Let's all hope so. If we gave up a top 10 pick in next years draft for the 25th this year I will be pissed! But if were good next year then our pick wont be that high. So I guess will have to wait for time to tell on that one.

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I think holding on to Gardner this season could work, but I have a couple concerns:
a. I'd still like to see McCants get a shot as the big posession WR. Yeah, he's not as fast as Rod, but he can catch the ball, especially in clutch situations.
b. Don't forget about the $2 million in cap relief that comes with trading or releasing him. They'll need that room to sign rookies and have a little room for preseason/midseason injury replacements. Someone will need to go...maybe June 1 cuts?

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[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]the skins got the highest rated qb in the draft,according to draft experts.ramsey's a$$ is on the line this season.if he plays like he has the last 3 years,he's not gonna be a redskin next year.i think gibbs know's what he's doing,the man has won 3 superbowls with some very medicore qbs who exceled in his system.

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You made a very good point there BRS, Gibbs did win 3 SB's with 2 medicre QB's Joey T. was a good one, but nonetheless Schroeder, Williams, Rypien, Humphries where not great you could argue that before Gibbs got a hold of them they weren't even good QB's, and to maybe compare Campbell in that light is also a very fair comparison I am on board with that, and here's the BUT, Rypien and Humphries were both 6th rd picks, Williams cost us a 5th via trade, Schroeder was the highest pick in the 3rd rd in 84', Campbell was at best a late 2 or a third rd pick before someone would take a chance on him, that's where my problem lies with this pick.

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maybe that is why we didn't draft a wide reciever. ?

He will be productive if he is on the team and if not just plug in the infinite number 3s we have on this team.

He will do better, contract year, and he now knows no one is ready to give up jack for him and knows he better have a good season next year or he may out of a starting job on any team

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Hopefully if Gardner DOES come back, he'll play better. I mean he has no excuse now...contract year, and he already knows the system. If he came back, there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to gain over 1000 yds receiving. (IMO)

That being said, I wouldn't get my hopes up with Gardner. After all, his nickname is 50/50.

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I'm sure that Gibbs will tell Gardner that he needs to be more reliable out there on the field. That isn't likely to change much. I can tell my pet cat that he needs to learn to solve differential equations but that isn't gonna make it happen.


Gardner will play better this year than last because I think he now sees what his value is around the league. If he doesn't have a much better year now, he will not be fielding calls during next year's free agency, he'll be faxing out his resume to teams.


Here is something the coaching staff needs to focus on. They need to be sure that anyone going to Rod Gardner's birthday party this year takes a cab...

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Go Gardner Go ... errm i think ..

The problem I have with bringing him back is he with Coles were becoming baaad influences on the offence . If we strugle again on offence he could be poison .

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For his sake, Rod had better hope Gibbs lets him have this season, but I think Gardner getting cut is more likely to happen.

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still try to trade him. package him with hasselback and trade them both to a team for whatever that team will give, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round pick next year. whatever they will give. if nobody will give anything then just cut him. the skins could use that extra 2 mil.

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Personally I'd like to keep him. I have a strange feeling that a financially motivated Gardner might actually start catching the ball.

Just not sure if we can afford the extra $2M.

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I know Im a huge minority, but I like Gardner. He's the type of receiver that gets better the more touches he gets!

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For once I agree with you, Daseal. I wish people would remember how many passes LC dropped this last year. Probably a higher percentage than Gardner. Everyone wants a Holt, Moss or Harrison on their team. It would have been nice to draft Mike Williams, but IMO he was not a good fit for our system. We have ENOUGH WR's...let guys like Jacobs get out there and play! Not only that, but he (Williams) will probably end up wanting to be the highest paid reciever in league history in another 2 years.

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I really don't think Coles had THAT many drops. Not only that, don't forget he had 90 catches. I will say that I think Gardner CAN be a good part of this offense and I definitely agree with Daseal, if you get more balls, you'll have a higher percentage of catches (hopefully).

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Better the more touches he gets??

Then why is he still basically the same WR he was as a rookie?

I'm not a fan of RG, he's not horrible and we certainly could do alot worse, but he's nothing to write home about that's for sure.

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I'm not saying he is an all-star by any means. I just think that if he is here, that he is fully capable of being a good possession receiver for us. Personally, I'd like to see McCants, but I something just seems to keep him out of the line-up.

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And I think what Daseal and I mean by better is that, the more the ball is thrown to him and the more opportunities he has to make plays, the better receiver he is.

We're not saying that everytime he gets a ball, his overall skill level permanently increases. I mean there is definitely no fact to this opinion at all, it just seemed in his seasons before this last one, when he was thrown the ball more often, he didn't have as many drops and made some pretty good plays.

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Matty - SOme receivers (Braylon Edwards, Gardner) seem to drop a lot of balls early. They're nervous, but the more they feel the ball the more the settle in and make big plays.

More times per game, not per career.

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I know you meant per game not career, I was just being a wise ass.

My only hope for Gardner is playing for a big pay day may help improve his focus.

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Big question will be - what if he has a big year. A Mushin Muhammad year?

Do we let him go?
Do we franchise and trade?
Do we resign?

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With our cap situation if he has a Muhammad type year and wants that kind of $$, we'd likely have no choice but to let him go.

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Can't we pay him league min with a production escalator clause?

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Exactly. If we DID resign him to a huge contract though, we'd be doing what the Giants were willing to do for Pierce.

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RedskinsRat, I don't speak that kind of langauge. You have to clarify. :)

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If we could get some cap relief and no team is interested in a trade then I wouldn’t be surprised if Gibbs cuts him. Gibbs is really looking for Gibbs kind of players and he has made it really clear he will go to extremes to get them (Campbell) or get rid of them (Coles).

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I wouldn't say Gardner isn't a Gibbs-kind-of-player, he just is a drop-the-ball-waaay-too-often kind of player.

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Rod IS a "Gibbs type of player" Whatever that is. Everyone called Coles ones, and Gibbs throughout the year has taken on many players with questionable characters. So I think that whole phrase is pretty much bullshit.

Either way -- Rod Gardner stayed after practice to work on his hands/routes, he worked hard the whole time he was at Redskins park, so if anything he is a Gibbs type of player.