Who should we go for in Free Agency?
 

Who do you think we should get? I think we should go get a CB to replace Hall, someone like Byron Maxwell. I think it would be a huge upgrade. Do you guys think we should spend around 5-6M to bring in a guy like Maxwell?

Here is a list of all the FA's: [url=http://walterfootball.com/freeagents.php]NFL Free Agents Tracker 2015 - WalterFootball.com[/url]

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To answer your question, no.

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[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/60630-2015-free-agents.html[/url]

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Not a Maxwell fan?

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Bruce Smith
Deion Sanders
Mark Carrier
Adam Archuletta

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1107149]Bruce Smith
Deion Sanders
Mark Carrier
Adam Archuletta[/quote]

Don't forget Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El

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Shane Vereen would be a good pick up....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1107154]Shane Vereen would be a good pick up....[/quote]

Not if he can't block

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We've got a shit roster, no big deals, and no Shawn Lauvao's either. In other words, I don't want us to be anywhere near major players in free agency. Maybe 2-3 solid signings, like an '04 type year where we bring in Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornie Griffin, and call it a day. AKA bring in a few solid guys for solid deals. Anybody who thinks this roster can be totally redeemed in FA needs to be taken behind the shed. I'm really hoping draft day is when we'll see some real progress.

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[url=http://www.profootballrumors.com/2015-nfl-franchise-tag-candidates-recap/]2015 NFL Franchise Tag Candidates: Recap - Pro Football Rumors[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1107156]We've got a shit roster, no big deals, and no Shawn Lauvao's either. In other words, I don't want us to be anywhere near major players in free agency. Maybe 2-3 solid signings, like an '04 type year where we bring in Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornie Griffin, and call it a day. AKA bring in a few solid guys for solid deals. Anybody who thinks this roster can be totally redeemed in FA needs to be taken behind the shed. I'm really hoping draft day is when we'll see some real progress.[/quote]

those weren't small deals. they all got paid more than lauvao, not even factoring inflation. the key difference is that those were good players that lived up to their contracts.

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[quote=That Guy;1107161]those weren't small deals. they all got paid more than lauvao, not even factoring inflation. the key difference is that those were good players that lived up to their contracts.[/quote]

I should've clarified better, I'm ok with handing solid players solid contracts. All of those guys were players that weren't old and had been solid players at their previous places. But when I say no more Lauvao deals, I'm talking solid starter money for an average/mediocre player.

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Here's McClaughan's history:

[QUOTE]...In order to get an idea of what he might do, let’s take a look back at 2005, when he took over personnel decisions for the 49ers as their vice president of player personnel. San Francisco had gone 2-14 the previous year so it obviously was a roster that was in just as bad a shape as is the current Redskins’ roster.

McCloughan, however, did not go on a spending spree to pump up the Niners’ roster. He brought in two free agents who found their way into the starting lineup. Johnny Morton, a 35-year-old receiver, was signed away from the Loins and defensive end Marques Douglas, 28, came from the Ravens. Neither was a big splash signing. That was it. All of the other starters were either holdovers or McCloughan draft picks from 2005.

One other note here: McCloughan had come to the 49ers from the Seahawks and, as noted, started with the Packers. He did not sign any players who had been with his previous employers. So those of you trying to connect the dots and bring Frank Gore or Vernon Davis to Washington should think twice.

Putting what McCloughan said and what he has done together it looks like the Redskins will not be big players in the free agent market but they won’t be sitting on the sidelines either. Look for them to plug a few holes with some younger players who won’t break the bank or perhaps with an older player on a one-year deal....

[url=http://realredskins.com/2015/02/03/need-to-know-how-will-redskins-gm-mccloughan-handle-free-agency/]Need to Know: How will Redskins’ GM McCloughan handle free agency? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]
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Based on this limited history, he seems unlikely to bring his old players (49ers / Seahawks), and instead seems to like older fill-in-the-void players who don't make splashes. This will be a boring FA and hopefully an exciting draft..

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While I agree free agency will/should be relatively quiet, I think from a free agency standpoint there is a ton of decent talent out there. In fact I think this is the most talented free agent class that I can remember. A lot of front offices are looking at how Seattle, Green Bay have been built are are following the trend of build from within. Lots of regime change the last couple years as well, so you want "your guys" and will let some walk.

That being said I think there could be some decent bargins...a couple guys I would be in favor of is jermaine Gresham TE and nt/dt Dan Williams. Gresham is a damn solid blocking TE who can also catch the ball...we haven't had a good blocking TE since Cooley. Williams would be a solid addition IMO. Can't get enough solid players on the dline.

Another decent, reasonable signing would be another cincy guy, Clint boling at guard. I think he would be a much better value than iupati.

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[quote=Chico23231;1107166]While I agree free agency will/should be relatively quiet, I think from a free agency standpoint there is a ton of decent talent out there. In fact I think this is the most talented free agent class that I can remember. A lot of front offices are looking at how Seattle, Green Bay have been built are are following the trend of build from within. Lots of regime change the last couple years as well, so you want "your guys" and will let some walk.

That being said I think there could be some decent bargins...a couple guys I would be in favor of is jermaine Gresham TE and nt/dt [B]Dan Williams[/B]. Gresham is a damn solid blocking TE who can also catch the ball...we haven't had a good blocking TE since Cooley. Williams would be a solid addition IMO. Can't get enough solid players on the dline.

Another decent, reasonable signing would be another cincy guy, Clint boling at guard. I think he would be a much better value than iupati.[/quote]

IMO Unless we plan on taking Shelton at #5, Dan Williams for reasonable $$ could be a nice pickup.

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Lay low, build up through the draft and make a real long term commitment to it for once.

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[quote=Mattyk;1107168]Lay low, build up through the draft and make a real long term commitment to it for once.[/quote]

they have to many holes to rebuild solely through the draft..... I am not interested in waiting 3 to 5 years to be respectable

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107169]they have to many holes to rebuild solely through the draft..... I am not interested in waiting 3 to 5 years to be respectable[/quote]

Why? Why not wait 3-5 years? 3-5 years is a drop in the bucket compared to the past 20 we've been terrible. We've constantly been trying the one more piece approach. We hardly have anyone under contract past 2016. It's the perfect time to start dumping people off the books and building through the draft. We need more than just a few players. We need a culture change. I want the skins to come out and tell me they're rebuilding this franchise, and that it'll be a few years. I'll be far more supportive of that than going out and spending big money on players in FA.

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Stop that crap!
Look how well the "Victory through FA " has served us in the past.
After all, we can't be more than 12-15 players short of the SB can we?
Are we winning the off season yet?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107169]they have to many holes to rebuild solely through the draft..... I am not interested in waiting 3 to 5 years to be respectable[/quote]

After 20 years plus of mediocrity what's another 3-5 if it could mean long term sustained success?

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[quote=Mattyk;1107172]After 20 years plus of mediocrity what's another 3-5 if it could mean long term sustained success?[/quote]

They were 10-6 in 2012

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107173]They were 10-6 in 2012[/quote]

And?

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Just so we're all clear, our philosophy has been "build through the draft" since Bruce was hired. When he was hired, he specifically talked about building through the draft. He has talked about building through the draft for years.

The problem is that we suck at building through the draft, not that we've never tried it.

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[quote=Lotus;1107175]Just so we're all clear, our philosophy has been "build through the draft" since Bruce was hired. When he was hired, he specifically talked about building through the draft. He has talked about building through the draft for years.

The problem is that we suck at building through the draft, not that we've never tried it.[/quote]

And then they sold the farm for RGIII. So no, they didn't really try. Not in the truest sense.

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Personally I'm buying a McCloughan jersey......

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Well the guys in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds haven't been great.

But I'm all in for a rebuild with a new gm and scouting department.

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[quote=Mattyk;1107172]After 20 years plus of mediocrity what's another 3-5 if it could mean long term sustained success?[/quote]

I mean they did make the playoffs twice in 3 seasons during Gibbs 2.0 ... I think that, albeit tiny, stretch got us out of mediocrity for a few years lol... Least we had hope!

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[quote=Mattyk;1107168]Lay low, build up through the draft and make a real long term commitment to it for once.[/quote]

I couldn't have said it better.




[quote=Irrefutable;1107169]they have to many holes to rebuild solely through the draft.....[B] I am not interested in waiting 3 to 5 years to be respectable[/B][/quote]


...and that's why this organization has been a absolute cluster fuck for 20 years now. Our owner and fans like you keep wanting the same stupid shit done over and over again and wonder why you keep getting the same results. It doesn't work. Didn't 15 years ago, and doesn't today. How about we try something totally different? Eh?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1107183]I couldn't have said it better.







...and that's why this organization has been a absolute cluster fuck for 20 years now. Our owner and fans like you keep wanting the same stupid shit done over and over again and wonder why you keep getting the same results. It doesn't work. Didn't 15 years ago, and doesn't today. How about we try something totally different? Eh?[/quote]

The Redskins have been bad because of bad draft choices, bad free agents, and bad coaching. The notion that the only reason they have been bad is due to free agents is ridiculous..... bad draft choices have been a big problem too.

The new staff needs to make smart choices in free agency, and the draft. If you try to build slowly you are going to lose key players after they develop.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107184]The Redskins have been bad because of bad draft choices, bad free agents, and bad coaching. The notion that the only reason they have been bad is due to free agents is ridiculous..... bad draft choices have been a big problem too.

The new staff needs to make smart choices in free agency, and the draft. If you try to build slowly you are going to lose key players after they develop.[/quote]


Nah, our cap problem wasn't over bad free agents. Look, the good teams don't go out and supplement their holes via free agency. If anything, they get that one premium guy they are missing to complete the puzzle. (moss/revis)

You don't spend cap money just because it's there. You can carry over cap money from year to year.

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Or re-sign/extend contracts of the guys we want to keep. Like Trent Williams and Ryan Kerrigan need to done and it will lower their 2015cap number to boot. Win/win.

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[quote=Mattyk;1107168]Lay low, build up through the draft and make a real long term commitment to it for once.[/quote]

Absolutely! Its the way long term success is built in the NFL.

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I don't see anything wrong with signing good, young Free Agents as part of the build plan. One of the main things we've done wrong in FA is to sign players who are too old and too expensive. There are FA's who could help us who are as young as 25 years old. These younger FA's have proven that they can play in the NFL and they can still be developed to become even better players.

We've just been plagued by a bad Front Office for many years. They've made many poor decisions in both the draft and in FA. We haven't been any better in drafting than we've been in FA. I think that our FO needs to do a better job of evaluating all types of players.

I also don't believe it's been proven that the path to success is to go exclusively with the draft. As far as I know, all NFL teams sign FA's.

I recall that when SM was introduced he said that he would use FA. I expect him to do so judiciously.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1107194]I don't see anything wrong with signing good, young Free Agents as part of the build plan. One of the main things we've done wrong in FA is to sign players who are too old and too expensive. There are FA's who could help us who are as young as 25 years old. These younger FA's have proven that they can play in the NFL and they can still be developed to become even better players.

We've just been plagued by a bad Front Office for many years. They've made many poor decisions in both the draft and in FA. We haven't been any better in drafting than we've been in FA. I think that our FO needs to do a better job of evaluating all types of players.

I also don't believe it's been proven that the path to success is to go exclusively with the draft. As far as I know, all NFL teams sign FA's.

I recall that when SM was introduced he said that he would use FA. I expect him to do so judiciously.[/quote]

I dont think anyone is saying to go exclusively with the draft. Successful teams build 90% through the draft and then fill in a hole or two with FAs that can put them over the top. The Skins have so many holes that building through the draft is a must.

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NT Dan Williams
G Mike Iupati
CB Brandon Flowers
S Ron Parker

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[url=http://realredskins.com/2015/02/09/need-to-know-free-agency-may-offer-more-problems-than-solutions-for-the-redskins/]Need to Know: Free agency may offer more problems than solutions for the Redskins | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1107198][url=http://realredskins.com/2015/02/09/need-to-know-free-agency-may-offer-more-problems-than-solutions-for-the-redskins/]Need to Know: Free agency may offer more problems than solutions for the Redskins | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

Wouldnt it be nice if just someone outside of Trent Williams developed along the D and Oline?

Time to be honest, we have used picks in the draft along the lines, none have panned outside of Silverback.

Thats bad front office, bad coaching and bad scouting.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1107197]NT Dan Williams
G Mike Iupati
CB Brandon Flowers
S Ron Parker[/quote]

Iupati and Flowers are gonna command top dollar, dont see us getting either.

I told folks last year to get Flowers when he was stupidly released. Flowers perdictably went on to play on at a high level, Chiefs defense went on to play like garbage.

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[quote=Chico23231;1107199]Wouldnt it be nice if just someone outside of Trent Williams developed along the D and Oline?

Time to be honest, we have used picks in the draft along the lines, none have panned outside of Silverback.

[B]Thats bad front office, bad coaching and bad scouting[/B].[/quote]


I concur with all three of those notions.

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Two good drafts and some smart value shopping in FA could have us in a whole new world by the end of '16 season. Forget spending a bunch of money in FA. Do a good job drafting and save money to sign the good players you drafted and developed.