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This seems very telling to me that Gruden has completely moved on from RG# and wants Cousins to be his future.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/02/17/kirk-cousins-is-doing-offseason-drills-with-jon-gruden/]Kirk Cousins is doing offseason drills with Jon Gruden - The Washington Post[/url]

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I wonder what Snyder thinks of this? He isn't a big cousins fan, but is a big fan of Jon.

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Cousins could definitely be our starting QB if he can cut down on the interceptions. I did not and do not understand why anyone would want to trade him.

Just because we paid too much for RGIII is no reason to try to get something back on that poor deal by trading Cousins. Cousins is a productive young QB who actually is a better fit for this system than RGIII.

I have supported RGIII in the past but I've recently come to believe that he doesn't have the right attitude to succeed here. I doubt that Dan Snyder will protect RGIII this coming season, so we're probably going to need Cousins.

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Wants Cousins to be his future? Or thinks Cousins is his future?

The wording in the original post implies Gruden carries a bias. I think the reality is he sees Cousins as the better fit, and the one who can take coaching better.

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I think he sees him as and wants him to be the QB of the future, due to system fit and coachability.

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The last two years RGIII has been rehabbing, KC has had chances to do take the spot and he hasn't and when given the chance he throws INT's. I don't care who the QB is I just want us to win, I hate when people say KC wasn't given a chance like RGIII was he's been rehabbing most off-seasons.

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I think this at least says that KC will be part of the QB competition. There is no way Jay didn't know about this, and there is no way he's not communicating with his brother.

I just hope one of these guys separates themselves from the other and takes the job and runs with it.

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Jay sure didn't show anything to believe Cousins was his guy last year. Even when he had the chance to go back to him he left him inactive. Kinda telling.

Sounds like this is more about Cousins trying to take advantage of every opportunity possible. Smart on his part, but it doesn't say anything about what Jay is thinking.

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[quote=Mattyk;1107549]Jay sure didn't show anything to believe Cousins was his guy last year. Even when he had the chance to go back to him he left him inactive. Kinda telling.

Sounds like this is more about Cousins trying to take advantage of every opportunity possible. Smart on his part, but it doesn't say anything about what Jay is thinking.[/quote]

I think Griffin playing the last few games was more about politics. There was no way he wasn't going to play once McCoy got hurt. And there was no way he could drop Griffin to 3rd string.

This year I believe that's all done. The best guy, whomever that's going to be, is going to play. Griffin's leash is gone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1107554]I think Griffin playing the last few games was more about politics. There was no way he wasn't going to play once McCoy got hurt.

This year I believe that's done. The best guy, whomever that's going to be, is going to play. Griffin's leash is gone.[/quote]

I agree. The end of last season put a lot of Griffin's play on tape in a lot of different situations.

Jay already knows who he wants to play out of the QBs on the roster. He has the film to sit down with whoever and make the case for his decision.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/15290/redskins-mailbag-part-2-62]Washington Redskins mailbag: Part 2 - ESPN[/url]

One thing we do know, is that RGIII isn't in the plans.



[quote]@john_keim: Griffin's problems are way beyond the line, and people need to quit thinking that will solve all his problems. It won't. I have yet to hear anyone in the organization -- from coaches, executives or players -- say Griffin would be fine if only the protection was better. Nobody wants the kid to succeed more than those in the organization whose livelihoods depend on wins and losses. In other words, they are not rooting against him. They just don't feel he can do the job. There were definitely times protection was an issue, but you'll never have great protection all the time (and there is no rule saying you still can't make good decisions). As for the quarterbacks coach, yes he can help Griffin, but if he doesn't improve, it all goes back to the quarterback. Can't keep blaming: coaches, protection, this, that, the other. [/quote]




[quote]Keim: Goodness, that's a lot of excuses for one player in one question. First off, I wouldn't say any player who is 25 with his talent is done. But I would ask: Doesn't it concern you in the least that numerous coaches and teammates have severe doubts about him? They are the ones delivering this message. Sure, the line could be better -- but good quarterbacks overcome such lines. I'm all for sticking by the kid and hoping/believing he can improve. This will be only his second legitimate NFL offseason, so we'll get a chance to see how much difference that makes. But to blame all his previous issues on everyone else ignores reality: he misses plays, relies too much on his legs, and lacks the explosion he had as a rookie. No quarterback has all the time in the world and works with All-Pro receivers, which is what many seem to think Griffin needs. If that's the case, he's not who they thought he was when they drafted him. Griffin has to improve his game if he wants to remain a starter. [/quote]


Shutting those BobThreeSticks fanboys down. I love it. Tired of hearing their bullshit excuses about the guy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1107554]I think Griffin playing the last few games was more about politics. There was no way he wasn't going to play once McCoy got hurt. And there was no way he could drop Griffin to 3rd string.

This year I believe that's all done. The best guy, whomever that's going to be, is going to play. Griffin's leash is gone.[/quote]

Get ready for more Griffin.

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i'd be surprised if griffin wasn't handed the opening day starting job... unless he looks straight up terrible in the offseason. I'm not saying that because that's what i want, but because i think that's how it's going to play out.

kirk's int problems go back to high school, so don't get your hopes up that they'll end any time soon. his inability to get past mistakes is fixable, but i've never seen someone lose it so quickly after one mistake.

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Griffin and Cousins should have a legitimate competition this offseason. They need to be on equal ground in the teams' eyes before training camp starts. Give the job to whichever performs better in the next 8 months.

Meanwhile, we need to continue to improve the offensive line. Not by signing high-dollar free agents and not necessarily by using high draft picks, but keep signing these young free agents like Nixon and Larsen, and draft some more offensive linemen late and maybe a developmental center in the mid rounds. Try to get better at tight end and running back when it comes to pass blocking, whether that's through value free agents or the draft.

After the season's over, evaluate your starting QB... if he played well enough to stay, commit to him with an extension and move on from the loser. The moves we made this year as well as the OL picks we took last year should start paying off to a larger degree and this should help the starter continue to improve.

If your starting QB played poorly, well, you're in the market for a new guy with both Griffin and Cousins walking.

I also think we should let McCoy walk and either draft or sign a rookie QB to start developing.

:twocents:

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I hope John can work some magic on Big Cuz? His INT is coachable but I don't know if it can happen in one offseason?

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What this tells me is Cousins wants to work hard to become a better QB. That is all. Has anyone heard if our other two QB's are getting extra work with a Super Bowl winning coach?

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[quote=Mattyk;1107549]Jay sure didn't show anything to believe Cousins was his guy last year. Even when he had the chance to go back to him he left him inactive. Kinda telling.

Sounds like this is more about Cousins trying to take advantage of every opportunity possible. Smart on his part, but it doesn't say anything about what Jay is thinking.[/quote]

Yup. Keim says that KC is working out with other QB coaches, not just Jon Gruden, so the Gruden angle is overplayed.

Keim also says that Griffin is still working out with Terry Shea. This makes it hard to get excited about possible improvements for him.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/15358/redskins-wake-up-call-kirk-cousins-jay-gruden-and-vernon-gholston]Redskins wake-up call: Kirk Cousins, Jay Gruden and Vernon Gholston - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

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As someone mentioned it on the radio this morning, Cousins' career is on life support and he needs all the help he can get.

I really dislike this attitude of dismissing protection problems. Anyone knows that protection is not the only reason why all three QBs failed this past season, but that doesn't mean it is not a problem. We don't have a QB on the roster that can overcome the shitty line that we have right now. I don't know why everyone expects overnight for Cousins or RG3 to be able to overcome our bad offensive line.

We have an example within NFC East (Dallas) and in the Conference (Seattle) of teams that have built superb o-lines and are not solely QB dependent to win in the league. IMO, improving the line should be priority #1 this season, and then they can figure out what to do with the QB position.

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Regardless about the play of the line, our QBs got a ways to go to becoming viable starters in this league. Unfortunately, Cousins is closer to being there than RG3.

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I don't think anyone is dismissing the O-line issues, I think everyone recognizes it is our biggest need.
But to have a QB not adjust his game and hold on to the ball for far too long and do it over and over again again when he knows there is an offensive line problem is what has people scratching their heads wondering if this guy gets it. Is it ego or stupidity/incompetence?
The other thing that drove me nuts is when a pass play fell apart, his first instinct was to take off running with it instead of throwing the ball away.

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[quote=Defensewins;1107569]I don't think anyone is dismissing the O-line issues, I think everyone recognizes it is our biggest need.
But to have a QB not adjust his game and hold on to the ball for far too long and do it over and over again again when he knows there is an offensive line problem is what has people scratching their heads wondering if this guy gets it. Is it ego or stupidity/incompetence?
The other thing that drove me nuts is when a pass play fell apart, his first instinct was to take off running with it instead of throwing the ball away.[/quote]

Yeah, no excuse for RG3 constantly holding onto the ball like he did. He made a shakey line look 10 times worse.

No more excuses for RG3, he should be able to read defenses by now and should know where to go with the ball in this offense.

Also he has worked long enough with folks that his mechanics should be prestine by the start of camp.

No more excuse folks, none

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[quote=Defensewins;1107569]I don't think anyone is dismissing the O-line issues, I think everyone recognizes it is our biggest need.
But to have a QB not adjust his game and hold on to the ball for far too long and do it over and over again again when he knows there is an offensive line problem is what has people scratching their heads wondering if this guy gets it. Is it ego or stupidity/incompetence?
The other thing that drove me nuts is when a pass play fell apart, his first instinct was to take off running with it instead of throwing the ball away.[/quote]

I see what you are saying, but the overall problem is that this team has set itself up to be in a situation where they depend on the QB to overcome all of their shortcomings (such as shitty line). And well we don't have a QB that can do that on the roster, so I think the next best thing is to focus on the line.

You can criticize RG3 and the offensive line at the same time; they don't mutually exclude each other. The team struggled with all three QBs under center. And whether your have RG3 or Cousins or some other young QB under center, the offense is not going to work with the offensive line we have period.

RG3 has a lot of issues, so does Cousins; fixing their issues is part of the solution. But it won't matter who will be under center unless the line is fixed. You can win with a strong line, very good running play, a good defense, and without depending on your passing play. If we have the same type of line we've had in the past three years, the offense is not going to improve at all.

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[quote=Mattyk;1107557]Get ready for more Griffin.[/quote]

If he beats out the competition, and there's no BS politics involved then I'm fine with that. I just don't see how he does that based off his play the last two years. At least in 2013 he had a couple good games. Last year he basically stunk all year long. The coaches had to run a high school offense when he played.

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Gruden is having a press conference at the combine right now...

"We will go into the season with Robert as the #1 guy"

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From his press conference RG III is going to be the guy.

Cousins has been given a ton of chances. The main thing with him is not the ints, but it's how he handles it mentally.

Completely distances himself from Cousins working with Jon, says anyone can do it. Just fyi guys

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[quote=Mattyk;1107557]Get ready for more Griffin.[/quote]



Ughhh...




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“We’ll go into the season with Robert as the No. 1 guy”.—Gruden.
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The hell. Probably not by his choice.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1107575]Ughhh...




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“We’ll go into the season with Robert as the No. 1 guy”.—Gruden.
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The hell. Probably not by his choice.[/quote]

Well Scott McC said they were not giving up on RG3. I like the consistency personally. Also, you go into camp without this as baggage/drama/etc., etc.

Besides, the team needs to get better in other areas, which are more important IMO.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1107576]Well Scott McC said they were not giving up on RG3. I like the consistency personally. Also, you go into camp without this as baggage/drama/etc., etc.

Besides, the team needs to get better in other areas, which are more important IMO.[/quote]

When you spent so many draft picks and invested so much time with RG3, you need him to be much better and start producing right now. nuff is nuff.

Nothing is more important than getting your QB playing at a high level. nothing

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To me it doesn't really matter that Griffin is named the number one. But what are the chances that Griffin starts 16 games? My prediction is slim to none.

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[quote=Defensewins;1107569]I don't think anyone is dismissing the O-line issues, I think everyone recognizes it is our biggest need.
But to have a QB not adjust his game and hold on to the ball for far too long and do it over and over again again when he knows there is an offensive line problem is what has people scratching their heads wondering if this guy gets it. Is it ego or stupidity/incompetence?
The other thing that drove me nuts is when a pass play fell apart, his first instinct was to take off running with it instead of throwing the ball away.[/quote]

the problem with RG3 is much worse than just "holding onto the ball too long" imo.

He literally takes the wrong drop backs the play call asks for.

on a 3 step drop play call, the O line and protection is for a 3 step pocket/quick fire. RG3 would take a 5 or 7 step drop, totally killing any O line protection bc they block assuming he is 3 steps back .. not 5 or 7. So when a tackle rides an end rusher 7 yards past where the pocket should be, he is doing his job, unfortunately RG3 is not and is where he shouldnt be.

totally agree that he tucks the ball and becomes a runner way too much .. what drives me nuts is that when he scrambles in the pocket, its not to buy time with his eyes down the field. He tucks the ball, ducks his head then invariably scrambles backwards in a circle.

If you are going to tuck the ball, run it up field for a few yards, not sideways or backwards.

if you are trying to scramble to buy time, keep the ball in a throw-ready position.

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[quote=Chico23231;1107577]When you spent so many draft picks and invested so much time with RG3, you need him to be much better and start producing right now. nuff is nuff.

Nothing is more important than getting your QB playing at a high level. nothing[/quote]

Who's saying that not getting your QB playing at a high level is not important?

All I'm saying is that this offseason the team needs to focus on improving (through draft/free agency, etc., etc.) other areas, such as the offensive line.

It looks like the team is ready to roll with RG3 as their starting QB. That means that this offseason, no resources should be spent on getting a QB (except maybe a back up if both Cousins and McCoy are out).

Let's take a look at what Pete Carroll did during the offseason before Seattle blew up:

- He spent draft picks on the offensive line and defense.
- Got a talented running back through free agency.

Seattle's plan for the QB position was to get a free agent to come in and take the reigns and to draft a project QB. By the time that project QB took the starting position, Carroll built such a strong team that he didn't need his QB to carry the team; and this allowed Wilson to develop into one of the top QBs in the league right now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1107581]Who's saying that not getting your QB playing at a high level is not important?

All I'm saying is that this offseason the team needs to focus on improving (through draft/free agency, etc., etc.) other areas, such as the offensive line.

It looks like the team is ready to roll with RG3 as their starting QB. That means that this offseason, no resources should be spent on getting a QB (except maybe a back up if both Cousins and McCoy are out).

Let's take a look at what Pete Carroll did during the offseason before Seattle blew up:

- He spent draft picks on the offensive line and defense.
- Got a talented running back through free agency.

Seattle's plan for the QB position was to get a free agent to come in and take the reigns and to draft a project QB. By the time that project QB took the starting position, Carroll built such a strong team that he didn't need his QB to carry the team; and this allowed Wilson to develop into one of the top QBs in the league right now.[/quote]

That's what we should do.

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Gruden named rg3 the starter going into next season, not sure what to make of that if anything at all... Just not sure why he's always so quick to just talk in the media ...

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He said we are "going into the season with him as No. 1". That isn't the same thing as saying the job is his, and he can't lose it. If you think about it a bit, its not really that strong of a position.

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Not sure if anyone heard Mike Shanahan today on 980. He pretty much confirmed what we've all heard about Griffin.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1107585]Not sure if anyone heard Mike Shanahan today on 980. He pretty much confirmed what we've all heard about Griffin.[/quote]

Did you think he was gonna say "my bad"?

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[quote=Meks;1107583]Gruden named rg3 the starter going into next season, not sure what to make of that if anything at all... Just not sure why he's always so quick to just talk in the media ...[/quote]

Some of the tweets from the media say he is the starter on opening day.

Does this mean there will be no competition in camp?

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Maybe Gruden is upset that it got out that KC went to his brother.

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Eh, I think it's just a move at this point to shield off and quiet down all the hoopla surrounding rg and our qb situation... I don't think it hold too much water

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[quote=Evilgrin;1107586]Did you think he was gonna say "my bad"?[/quote]

Shanahan say that? No way. However, he confirmed that Griffin demanded that they stop running certain plays..aka read option. He also said he wanted to be a drop back passer and he wasn't happy different plays were called for KC. Shanahan basically said you're not good enough to run that type of offense right now. lol.

He also did say that he still believes that KC is going to be a very good starting QB in the NFL. He came off as someone that was 100% telling the truth. Real good interview.