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over at espn.com it says that kw2 got hurt when he was riding his motorcycle and he hit a curb doing 35. it said his injuries aren't life threatening. well that was obvious, but what if he misses the season again. the browns wasted a draft pick on him.

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Holy shit.

What a soldier.

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LOL really smart move

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Again, I hate to wish injury on anyone, but come on how can ANYONE that is a Redskins fan not think this is the most hilarious thing ever?

I wonder if they repaired the two feet that got jammed in his mouth?

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Sean Taylor is not such an idiot huh?

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In the words of Nelson Muntz, HAHA!

Yeah I'll take Sean Taylor any day of the week. Just goes to show the importance of factoring in character when choosing a player. Taylor might not be ideal in that department, but if he shows up for camp and plays well this year, there won't be any love lost in my eyes. Good choice, Joe Gibbs.

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Dumb and Dumber? Looks like we got Dumb... ;)

PS Williams is still in Taylor's corner. See his comments in the recent interview: "I'm a Taylor fan, etc..."

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all i think that an accident can happen to anyone. i don't know winslow's attitude and this injury to me doesn't make him any less resilient, it is just bad luck. I just wish Taylor wouldn't be suck an ass about the money. i don't know if taylor will hold out but if he does he is an ass and his character may never change but winslow's injuries will heal(hopefully).

But yeah it is allittle amusing but it must be a pain in the ass for them BROWNS

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My favorite Quote of the story: [i]"He was wearing a helmet, but it wasn't strapped on and flew off his head, Arcuri said."
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Sounds like he doesn't have much for a helmet to protect anyway.

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Lets not forget that nearly 60% of people his age with motorcycles wreck it at least once. So this isn't exactly a rare occurrance.

Listen, like it or not, KWII could be the best tight end the league has ever seen. Now, I'd still take Taylor because he could be the best safety. I don't understand all the harsh words towards KWII who some people here wanted to draft. He said some shit about us after Gibbs promised to draft him, then didn't. Gee, you mean he was upset he didn't get to be a Redskin? Lets hate him more!

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he'll never make it on the field if he does stuff like that.

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Winslow is a Muppet and will never be any better than average. If his name wasn't Winslow and he hadn't been at Miami he would have been a second day draft pick and not a word would have been written about him on this site.

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Yeah, I'm sure the huge numbers he put up didn't have anything to do with him getting drafted where he was!

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[QUOTE=davy]If his name wasn't Winslow and he hadn't been at Miami he would have been a second day draft pick and not a word would have been written about him on this site.[/QUOTE]


Tell that to Jared Payton, undrafted last year.

What about Michael Munoz, undrafted this year.

The NFL doesn't draft favorites based on names.

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[QUOTE=drew54]Tell that to Jared Payton, undrafted last year.

What about Michael Munoz, undrafted this year.

The NFL doesn't draft favorites based on names.[/QUOTE]

Can't argue with that.


Some interesting stats...

Winslow - 13 games, 60 catches, 605 yards, 10.1 yard average, 1 TD
Cooley - 10 games, 62 catches, 732 yards, 11.8 yard average, 6 TDs

Just numbers of course.

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Who was constantly getting doubled?

Cooley had better stats, but Im sorry, the better receiver is Winslow.

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didn't any pro athletes learn from the jason williams incident 2 years ago?

winslow jr is a prime example of an immature attitude ruining the respect/acknowledgement his actual accomplishments would normally garner. I am nothing even close to a fan of him as a person, but anyone saying he doesn't have possibly good-great football talent especially at TE needs to evaluate their football knowledge. Sure his name added extra hype onto him as did following in the shoes of Shockey at "The U.", but he has the physical talents to be better than both shockey and his father, which is nothing to sneeze at.

I do think it's ironic that karma keeps bitting him in the ass, but as with TO, just cuz he's a classless person at times off the field, doesn't mean he's a bum on the field.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]
I do think it's ironic that karma keeps bitting him in the ass, but as with TO, just cuz he's a classless person at times off the field, doesn't mean he's a bum on the field.[/QUOTE]
You know I really could care less as to how good Winslow is or can be. What really gets me is how Winslow f**ks up during the off season and people here stick up for him, but when our own Taylor does not show up to volentary workouts people come down on him like he is the anti-christ. I dont get it!! I understand that Taylor is on our team, and that yeah it would be nice if he was at the workouts, but Taylor isnt riding his motorcycle into curbs while wearing an unstrapped helmet. Taylor does have some issues, but he is the ripe old age of what 21? 22?

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KWII is doing everything to break out his contract with the browns, so he can join the skins. I remember the redskins pin he had on his chest on draft day. he wanted to be in burgundy and gold so bad.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]KWII is doing everything to break out his contract with the browns, so he can join the skins. I remember the redskins pin he had on his chest on draft day. he wanted to be in burgundy and gold so bad.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, yeah, until we didn't draft him and he said something to the effect of, "don't worry, they'll get there's."

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]You know I really could care less as to how good Winslow is or can be. What really gets me is how Winslow f**ks up during the off season and people here stick up for him, but when our own Taylor does not show up to volentary workouts people come down on him like he is the anti-christ. I dont get it!! I understand that Taylor is on our team, and that yeah it would be nice if he was at the workouts, but Taylor isnt riding his motorcycle into curbs while wearing an unstrapped helmet. Taylor does have some issues, but he is the ripe old age of what 21? 22?[/QUOTE]

So what's your point? That we should give Taylor a pass because Winslow's behavior is worse. I think Taylor deserves every ounce of criticism he has garnered. He's leaving the team out to dry.

Also, I don't think anyone is defending Winslow riding a motorcycle. People - and I think this is mostly Dasael, whom I agree with - is just saying that he will be a great player if he can make it on the field, and that he wasn't overrated coming out of college. All good points.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65]So what's your point? That we should give Taylor a pass because Winslow's behavior is worse. I think Taylor deserves every ounce of criticism he has garnered. He's leaving the team out to dry.

Also, I don't think anyone is defending Winslow riding a motorcycle. People - and I think this is mostly Dasael, whom I agree with - is just saying that he will be a great player if he can make it on the field, and that he wasn't overrated coming out of college. All good points.[/QUOTE]

My point is that you have people on here saying "just cuz he's a classless person at times off the field, doesn't mean he's a bum on the field," in reference to Winslow. Well Taylor is deamed as a "classless person at times off the feild" but after having the season that he had last year he clearly is not a bum on the field. At least Taylor played last year, and God willing, he will play again this year.

I am not saying nor did I ever say that Winslow was underrated or overrated comming out of college, nor did I say he would be a bust. In case you missed my intro I said "You know I really could care less as to how good Winslow is or can be." And that is the truth, I could care less if he is the best TE or a total bust big deal!!!

All I am saying is that look at how fast people on here defend players on other teams than there own. Yeah Taylor is not at the voluntary workouts, but atleast he is WORKING OUT!!

Another point I was trying to make is that Taylor is young. When people are young they usually make mistakes, hell even when people are old they make mistakes. The difference is that older people tend to make new mistakes due to them learning from there old mistakes.

If Taylor shows up this year out of shape and he really flops on the field then I will agree that he was wrong and should have had an electric coller on him so that the FO could keep him in check...

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Taylor and Winslow are somewhat opposites. Taylor is very enigmatic because he refuses to talk to the press, never quite know what's going on with him. Winslow is just the opposite and he tells the press too much.

Listen, a motorcycle accident can happen to anyone, and it's not rare for bike riders to not want to wear a helmet. That's why they like to have their large rallys in states that don't have helmet laws. The personal attacks I'll never understand. The guy is a baller and we'd all be saying OMG I HOPE HE IS BETTER BY CAMP had we picked him like many experts thought. KWII is cocky, but sometimes that's NOT a bad thing if you can deal with them off the field. You want a player who thinks he's the best. I'd much rather have that in an athelete than someone who never thinks they can do the job.

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[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-winslowaccident&prov=ap&type=lgns[/url]

Here's another and more in depth article on the crash with a photo of the bike. It says he didn't even have a license. I knew most pro athlete's contract contains some type of dangerous activity clause, I am unsure if motercycles fall in that category. However I bet from here on more than a few contracts will have include them.

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[url]http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8438297[/url]
Winslow's wallet might take a hard ride

Accordong to this Winslow put his contract in jeapordy and he may have to pay back some of his signing bounus and another bounus that he got march 1st.

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If memory serves, many were criticizing Gibbs for not trying to take him in last years draft. Hmmm...........................maybe...............Gibbs DOES know what he is doing

[QUOTE=mooby]over at espn.com it says that kw2 got hurt when he was riding his motorcycle and he hit a curb doing 35. it said his injuries aren't life threatening. well that was obvious, but what if he misses the season again. the browns wasted a draft pick on him.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Hog1]If memory serves, many were criticizing Gibbs for not trying to take him in last years draft. Hmmm...........................maybe...............Gibbs DOES know what he is doing[/QUOTE]
Shhh!! Dont say that too loud, people around here may not like that...

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Cooley looks like the wiser choice with each passing day.

Nice job, soldier!

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Taylor and Winslow are somewhat opposites. Taylor is very enigmatic because he refuses to talk to the press, never quite know what's going on with him. Winslow is just the opposite and he tells the press too much.

Listen, a motorcycle accident can happen to anyone, and it's not rare for bike riders to not want to wear a helmet. That's why they like to have their large rallys in states that don't have helmet laws. The personal attacks I'll never understand. The guy is a baller and we'd all be saying OMG I HOPE HE IS BETTER BY CAMP had we picked him like many experts thought. KWII is cocky, but sometimes that's NOT a bad thing if you can deal with them off the field. You want a player who thinks he's the best. I'd much rather have that in an athelete than someone who never thinks they can do the job.[/QUOTE]

Daseal, I think there is one key point you are missing here. Winslow, like most first round picks in most sports, have language in their contracts which prohibits them from engaging in risky behavior like riding a motorcycle. Anyone can get hurt while riding a motorcycle, true. But he's a certain somebody who's not allowed to ride a motorbike. That's a character issue. He's a guy who doesn't care to honor the language in his contract, so he's a piece of sh*t in my eyes.

Now, I'm not too fond of Taylor at the moment either. I wish he'd be at practice. But that's a better problem than someone who disregards his contract and causes problems the size of what the Browns are dealing with now.

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Yeah im starting a cooley fan club...hes da man!
Who wants to be VP?

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]My point is that you have people on here saying "just cuz he's a classless person at times off the field, doesn't mean he's a bum on the field," in reference to Winslow. Well Taylor is deamed as a "classless person at times off the feild" but after having the season that he had last year he clearly is not a bum on the field. At least Taylor played last year, and God willing, he will play again this year.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if u were putting me in the group of those bashing Taylor, but I don't ever remember me personally putting Taylor in the same ego category as TO and Winslow Jr. I have bashed him, and deservedly so, for the almost continuous(sp?) string of mistakes on Taylor's part. I know I've said the kid is a beast physically on a regular basis, but there comes a point for fans when off the field stuff becomes as important as the work on the field. I'm personally one of those fans that come to that point earlier than others( I mean look at all the morons in San Fran giving Barry Bonds a standing ovation even though there's a good chance he and his recent accomplishments are tainted, but because he plays for their team, they don't really seem to care). Yeah he's young, but if that's the source of the big argument, Winslow(since he's the main topic of this thread) in comparision is only 21 as well. To me they are both potentially great football players, but so far have proven to be asses off the field, Taylor with his actions and Winslow with his mouth.

[QUOTE=Daseal]The personal attacks I'll never understand. The guy is a baller and we'd all be saying OMG I HOPE HE IS BETTER BY CAMP had we picked him like many experts thought.[/QUOTE]

I had the same thoughts about Winslow's accident. If he'd been drafted here or if he didn't regularly say stupid things and had his ego a bit more under control, the majority of the reaction to his accident would be completely the opposite of what it has been and that's kind of sad.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Daseal, I think there is one key point you are missing here. Winslow, like most first round picks in most sports, have language in their contracts which prohibits them from engaging in risky behavior like riding a motorcycle. Anyone can get hurt while riding a motorcycle, true. But he's a certain somebody who's not allowed to ride a motorbike. That's a character issue. He's a guy who doesn't care to honor the language in his contract, so he's a piece of sh*t in my eyes.

Now, I'm not too fond of Taylor at the moment either. I wish he'd be at practice. But that's a better problem than someone who disregards his contract and causes problems the size of what the Browns are dealing with now.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Nothing wrong with riding a bike, but when you're a professional athlete who's being paid millions of dollars, it might not be the most wise thing to do.

I don't understand how we can blast on LaVar and Taylor, but then defend KWII?? I don't get it.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Daseal, I think there is one key point you are missing here. Winslow, like most first round picks in most sports, have language in their contracts which prohibits them from engaging in risky behavior like riding a motorcycle. Anyone can get hurt while riding a motorcycle, true. But he's a certain somebody who's not allowed to ride a motorbike. That's a character issue. He's a guy who doesn't care to honor the language in his contract, so he's a piece of sh*t in my eyes.

Now, I'm not too fond of Taylor at the moment either. I wish he'd be at practice. But that's a better problem than someone who disregards his contract and causes problems the size of what the Browns are dealing with now.[/QUOTE]

I hope he does have his signing bonus and recent option bonus taken away cuz maybe this will snap Winslow to the realization that his $H!+ don't stink. Sometimes someone's money has to get involved for them to realize I better watch I do and say.

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I wrecked my Honda scooter back in the day. I was trying to pop-a-wheelie. :oink:

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]I hope he does have his signing bonus and recent option bonus taken away cuz maybe this will snap Winslow to the realization that his $H!+ don't stink. Sometimes someone's money has to get involved for them to realize I better watch I do and say.[/QUOTE]

I believe he already lost his signing bonus due to his leg injury last season. If the Browns feel he may not make a decent recovery his whole contract may be void. The Browns are usally tight lipped about their contracts, however it is possible that he may end up losing money on his contract. If the dangerous activity clause in his contract has a penalty greater than what he made in his first year, he would be in a Ricky Williams type situation. He would end owing money to Cleveland, perhaps more money than he made in his first year.

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Schneed - you know a lot of pro atheltes have it in their contracts they can't play basketball in the offseason too? However, every offseason lots of Miami players play a pickup game and I know for a fact it's against some of their contracts. Everyone breaks those rules, he's not alone.

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Winslow is the better receiver when you look at what he did at Miami, but being injury plagued..on and off the field..I'm glad we didn't pick him.

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Think about this though: the situations that got him hurt might have been very different if he was in Washington. I wouldn't wish him on us, but he more than likely wouldn't have gotten hurt.

It wasn't like his leg was just waiting to break.

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All this talk about his injuries and I have yet to see anywhere the extent of his injuries, does anyone know? Will they keep him out of the lineup this season?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Schneed - you know a lot of pro atheltes have it in their contracts they can't play basketball in the offseason too? However, every offseason lots of Miami players play a pickup game and I know for a fact it's against some of their contracts. Everyone breaks those rules, he's not alone.[/QUOTE]

OK yeah, if you're going to get extremely picky and be totally technical about what's in the contract, I can see your point here. But I think teams aren't big sticklers for the basketball clause unless a player has shown to be a serious pain in the ass previously. I mean come on, we're talking about basketball vs riding a motorcycle. With a motorcycle you're just asking for a career-threatening injury. You can't tell me there is NEARLY the same risk by running a game of hoop. If it's not a character issue to you, you have to admit that it's a stupidity issue. If you're a multimillion dollar athlete, someone whose livelihood and standard of living depend heavily upon their health, why in the world would you go risking your health by riding a motorbike? It just doesn't make sense, it's a dumb decision.

Maybe that's the better way to put it, Winslow is just an idiot. Either way, I'm glad we took ST.