Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000483348/article/dashon-goldson-traded-from-buccaneers-to-redskins]Dashon Goldson traded from Buccaneers to Redskins - NFL.com[/url]

Makes perfect sense and now we have our starting safeties for 2015. Like this move

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Agreed, this is a good move... It's basically a one year deal for 4 million where we swapped late round draft picks... If he sucks, oh well we move on next year... It it works out, great... On his bad days, he is a better FS than we have on the roster and likely any FS we would draft this year...

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And the Buc's are picking up the money as well: UPDATE 10:14 a.m. ET: Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Buccaneers will indeed pay the $4 million in fully guaranteed money that Goldson was due to make this year.

per PFT

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[quote=Chico23231;1110566]And the Buc's are picking up the money as well: UPDATE 10:14 a.m. ET: Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Buccaneers will indeed pay the $4 million in fully guaranteed money that Goldson was due to make this year.

per PFT[/quote]

Yea, it's essentially a one year deal for 4 million in non guaranteed money.

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i love this.

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Another solids move for our front office

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what is not to like?

a 1-2 year upgrade at FS for a decent price.

i would prefer a sideline to sideline rover at FS but i am not gonna complain, this is an upgrade at the position we most needed an upgrade.

is anyone else getting really excited at what our madden roster will look like?

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I don't know anything about Goldson other than that he has not succeeded in TBay, he is older, he was a sought after UFA a couple years ago, and he is a former Scot McC guy.

At the same time, given the state of available/draftable safeties in the league, I find it hard to believe he could be any worse than what we had last year and is likely to be, at the very least, a minor upgrade.

Anybody got a good scouting report on him that explains his failures in TBay? Did his physical ability noticeably drop or is it possible he didn't really fit schematically with what TBay was trying to do? Is he truly just the next Ryan Clark or is there potential for him to have a bit of a resurgence?

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Good move we r going to be much better on D

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Essentially got him for nothing. Swapping a 6th with their 7th AND they are picking up 4mil on his contract. A bargain if you ask me. Low risk, high reward payoff.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1110578]Essentially got him for nothing. Swapping a 6th with their 7th AND they are picking up 4mil on his contract. A bargain if you ask me. Low risk, high reward payoff.[/quote]

a bargain ? he was about to be cut.....the fact that they gave up next to nothing indicates that no one in the NFL thought much of him- he is not a definite starter

look at his stats, 1 PD and no interceptions last year = Ryan Clark 2.0

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/dashongoldson/2495611/profile]Dashon Goldson, FS for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1110576]I don't know anything about Goldson other than that he has not succeeded in TBay, he is older, he was a sought after UFA a couple years ago, and he is a former Scot McC guy.

At the same time, given the state of available/draftable safeties in the league, I find it hard to believe he could be any worse than what we had last year and is likely to be, at the very least, a minor upgrade.

Anybody got a good scouting report on him that explains his failures in TBay? Did his physical ability noticeably drop or is it possible he didn't really fit schematically with what TBay was trying to do? Is he truly just the next Ryan Clark or is there potential for him to have a bit of a resurgence?[/quote]

He was an all pro free safety under Vic Fangio d in san fran who left to get paid in tampa. Fangio plays mix coverages in the secondary, but going single high safety i believe was the main tendency in San Fran. Tampa was tampa 2 defense

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This gives us the luxury of drafting a FS later in the draft and develop for the future.
To our FO: "Our baby's all grown up. "

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A two win team is letting him walk. Not impressed by this one. Seems like Ryan Clark all over again.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1110579]a bargain ? he was about to be cut.....the fact that they gave up next to nothing indicates that no one in the NFL thought much of him- he is not a definite starter

look at his stats, 1 PD and no interceptions last year = Ryan Clark 2.0

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/dashongoldson/2495611/profile]Dashon Goldson, FS for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Lovie has basically gotten rid of everybody in the secondary, he is trying to get folks that fit his scheme.

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Just a stop gap. The Skins need some players to plug to at least field a reasonably good team as they try to build this team up.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1110579]a bargain ? he was about to be cut.....the fact that they gave up next to nothing indicates that no one in the NFL thought much of him- he is not a definite starter

look at his stats, 1 PD and no interceptions last year = Ryan Clark 2.0

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/dashongoldson/2495611/profile]Dashon Goldson, FS for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at NFL.com[/url][/quote]

You do not see an improvement from Ryan Clark and Brandon Meriweather to D. Goldson and Jeron Johnson?

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When he played here in SF he was known as a hard hitting S, he's also been known to be prone to personal fouls due to his aggresive play. I think it's a solid low risk move. Scot does it again.

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[quote=Defensewins;1110585]You do not see an improvement from Ryan Clark and Brandon Meriweather to D. Goldson and Jeron Johnson?[/quote]

As far as Johnson is concerned, he's a complete unknown as far as being a full time starter. We don't know if he's an upgrade over Merriweather cause there's no track record. But I actually like this one as he's still young and can at least play teams.

DG got paid and from what it looks like, did nothing. Just don't like this signing.

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[quote=Defensewins;1110585]You do not see an improvement from Ryan Clark and Brandon Meriweather to D. Goldson and Jeron Johnson?[/quote]

the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS

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[quote=skinsfan69;1110587]As far as Johnson is concerned, he's a complete unknown as far as being a full time starter. We don't know if he's an upgrade over Merriweather cause there's no track record. But I actually like this one as he's still young and can at least play teams.

DG got paid and from what it looks like, did nothing. Just don't like this signing.[/quote]

I think when you look around in free agency and the draft...very very thin at free safety. again this is a low risk signing...

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[quote=Irrefutable;1110588]the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS[/quote]

Goldson is better than Clark, D Hall and every rookie at FS.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1110588]the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS[/quote]

D. Hall and a weak FS rookie class? D Hall has had serious season ending injuries the last few years and has never played the position before on a full time basis, over a two time probowl selection and a guy our new GM knows very well? We will still add a rookie or two in the draft and/or undrafted rookies.

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[quote=Chico23231;1110590]Goldson is better than Clark, D Hall and every rookie at FS.[/quote]

stats do not lie- Clark had better stats than Goldson last year

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanclark/2504899/careerstats]Ryan Clark: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

if Goldson was good why did the Redskins get him for almost nothing

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[quote=Irrefutable;1110592][B]stats do not lie[/B]- Clark had better stats than Goldson last year

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanclark/2504899/careerstats]Ryan Clark: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

if Goldson was good why did the Redskins get him for almost nothing[/quote]

lol...its Friday, Im gonna let this go today. Ironic this statement comes from with the name "irrefutable" :joecool:

Ill just say Goldson will be better than Clark this year. :joecool:

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[quote=Irrefutable;1110588]the issue is whether Goldson is better than Clark. I would rather have D. Hall and a rookie at FS[/quote]

If Goldson can't play anymore, you probably will have DHall and a rookie at FS. The Skins may not think that Hall will be ready to go at the start of the season or (I realize this is far-fetched) you could be wrong about Goldson and he might have enough left to give us a good year or two.

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Hmmmm....going to put on my semi-wild theory hat, although I rarely do.
This free agency for the Redskins has been huge on defense.
Minus an Orakpo replacement anyways.
What does this mean for the draft?
Offense, offense,offense?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1110596]Hmmmm....going to put on my semi-wild theory hat, although I rarely do.
This free agency for the Redskins has been huge on defense.
Minus an Orakpo replacement anyways.
What does this mean for the draft?
Offense, offense,offense?[/quote]

While I dont agree it will be offense offense offense...I think McC did look at this roster and say "our defensive personel is flat out garbage". The overwhelming statement this offseason has been strictly focused on getting us better at D.

BPA this draft

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1110596]Hmmmm....going to put on my semi-wild theory hat, although I rarely do.
This free agency for the Redskins has been huge on defense.
Minus an Orakpo replacement anyways.
What does this mean for the draft?
Offense, offense,offense?[/quote]

Dante Fowler or Vic Beasley will be hard to pass up at #5 if either is still available. The more I watch the highlight reels on these two the more I am convinced about them. I heard Dante Fowler's college coach talk on radio the other day saying Fowler graduated in 3.5 years at Clemson, is a hard working health nut that watches what he eats and does not drink alcohol or smoke. If true, not many college athletes are that mature and serious about their careers at that age.

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[url=http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/3/12/8198849/is-chris-conte-an-upgrade-over-goldson]Is Chris Conte An Upgrade Over Goldson? - Bucs Nation[/url]

[quote]Well, Goldson according to PFF was god awful last season. In 14 games, Goldson posted a -20.0 score on their nerd metrics. He was the worst player on the Bucs defense. Goldson had zero games in the positive and was a frighteningly bad -14.5 in pass coverage. Only one safety in the entire NFL had a worse rating (Ryan Clark). This wasn't just a bad year for Goldson, he was -14.4 overall in Greg Schiano's last season as well. So in two years and $22 million, the Bucs got themselves a -34.4 performance from Goldson. He leaves the Bucs with 1 INT in two years of service.[/quote]


Meh. Low cost, but I'm not expecting anything good either.

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[quote=SirLK26;1110600][url=http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/3/12/8198849/is-chris-conte-an-upgrade-over-goldson]Is Chris Conte An Upgrade Over Goldson? - Bucs Nation[/url]




Meh. Low cost, but I'm not expecting anything good either.[/quote]

not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/bucs-hook-some-goldsons-salary-trade-redskins]Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1110601]not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/bucs-hook-some-goldsons-salary-trade-redskins]Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/quote]

Well that's the non-guaranteed money. The Bucs are reponsible for the guaranteed part of the contract. Basically if he works out for the team, the Redskins pay 4 mil; if he doesn't work out he doesn't get that. I don't see how this is not low cost/low risk.

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Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years, and instead he was terrible. This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.

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[quote=mooby;1110603]Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years, and instead he was terrible. This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.[/quote]

Anytime you sign a player that's 30+ it is a stopgap move. If I remember correctly, a lot of people were wondering if Clark had anything left in the tank when we signed him. I'm not saying that Goldson is going to be an all-pro, but I don't see this that similar to our acquisition of Clark.

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I like this guys attitude:

“Now to my new team, the Washington Redskins. I want you all to kno how excited my family and I are to be part of this strong organization. Ive been a fan of the team for awhile. One of my favorite players (Sean Taylor) set the tone for the position for years there. I’m not Sean but Im honored to be patrolling the same playgrounds as he did. I’ll do my best on makin him happy from the position as he watches down on us as a secondary. To the fans this is gonna be a fun and exciting ride. Our goal as a team will be simply to whoop ass and take W(wins). Those who dnt know much about me I luv to play this game. I will bring an attitude for sure to this defense. With the experience and knowledge Ive accumulated throughout I will do everything to make those better around me. My goal will be for us to have the same heartbeat as a team and ESP as a defense cuz that’s where it starts. With that bein said #HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!"

via twitter Dashon Goldson

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[quote=mooby;1110603]Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. [B]When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years, and instead he was terrible.[/B] This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.[/quote]

There is a big difference:
The secondary teammates of Clark the prior two seasons were really weak. A terrible CB Wilson (2 years ago), a struggling Amerson, a terrible E.J Biggers, a rookie Breeland, injury prone Merriweather and a good D. Hall. Once Hall was injured the wheels fell off the secondary and defense last season.

We now have a capable set of CB's in Culliver, Breeland, D. Hall and Amerson (still struggling) off the bench. Plus a new SS in Jeron Johnson. This makes Goldson's life a lot easier compared to Clark's.
Add that Culliver and Goldson have played together before. Plus from what Jeron Johnson's former teammates and coaching staff are saying about Jeron, he will be an improvement over what we had.
We went from a terrible secondary to one that is improved and we still have the draft and #5 pick coming up soon.

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[quote=Stacks42;1110605]I like this guys attitude:

“Now to my new team, the Washington Redskins. I want you all to kno how excited my family and I are to be part of this strong organization. Ive been a fan of the team for awhile. One of my favorite players (Sean Taylor) set the tone for the position for years there. I’m not Sean but Im honored to be patrolling the same playgrounds as he did. I’ll do my best on makin him happy from the position as he watches down on us as a secondary. To the fans this is gonna be a fun and exciting ride. Our goal as a team will be simply to whoop ass and take W(wins). Those who dnt know much about me I luv to play this game. I will bring an attitude for sure to this defense. With the experience and knowledge Ive accumulated throughout I will do everything to make those better around me. My goal will be for us to have the same heartbeat as a team and ESP as a defense cuz that’s where it starts. With that bein said #HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!"

via twitter Dashon Goldson[/quote]


this gets me pumped!

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/16424/redskins-hope-dashon-goldson-solves-long-time-problem-at-safety]Washington Redskins hope Dashon Goldson solves long-time safety issue - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Keim saying Goldson is great in the lockerroom

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[quote=mooby;1110603]Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. [B]When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years[/B], and instead he was terrible. This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.[/quote]

pretty sure the consensus was that Clark was a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over Rambo/thomas.

now the consensus is that Goldson is a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over retired Clark.

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Dashon Golson=Brandon Merriweather. Both are often fined head hunters with terrible coverage skills.

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[quote=Stacks42;1110605]I like this guys attitude:

“Now to my new team, the Washington Redskins. I want you all to kno how excited my family and I are to be part of this strong organization. Ive been a fan of the team for awhile. One of my favorite players (Sean Taylor) set the tone for the position for years there. I’m not Sean but Im honored to be patrolling the same playgrounds as he did. I’ll do my best on makin him happy from the position as he watches down on us as a secondary. To the fans this is gonna be a fun and exciting ride. Our goal as a team will be simply to whoop ass and take W(wins). Those who dnt know much about me I luv to play this game. I will bring an attitude for sure to this defense. With the experience and knowledge Ive accumulated throughout I will do everything to make those better around me. My goal will be for us to have the same heartbeat as a team and ESP as a defense cuz that’s where it starts. With that bein said #HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!"

via twitter Dashon Goldson[/quote]

Isn't Twitter 140 characters?