Lenny P reporting Moss signed.
 

6 years, 30 mil, 11m signing bonus. Look for it on ESPN under Lenny in a few hours.

At least it's his rumor. Take it for what you will.

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Its probably true, that's alot of change for him though....damn, another overpaid receiver.

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as i said earlier, this is a stupid move by the skins. this is only gonna make sean taylor increasingly confident that his demands will be met. santana moss hasn't even played a down for us yet.

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Sorry for the duplicate post:

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2053347[/url]

Moss' six-year extension worth $31 millionBy Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Speedy wide receiver Santana Moss, the veteran on whom the Washington Redskins are counting to add some big-play dimension to their anemic passing attack of last season on Wednesday reached a contract extension with the club, ESPN.com has learned.

Moss was officially acquired from the New York Jets on March 9 in a swap of unhappy wide receivers, with Laveranues Coles going to the Jets, the team that originally brought him into the league. The trade had been discussed by the Redskins and Jets for two weeks before it was finally consummated, and then was delayed several more days because the two players had to pass physical examinations.

The six-year extension, negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus and scheduled to be signed on Thursday, is worth $31 million. But the sixth-year of the deal will void if Moss merely reaches minimum playing time levels, and so the five-year value of the add-on is $26.55 million. The deal includes $11 million in combined signing and option bonuses, paid out over two years.

The four-year veteran was entering the final season of his original NFL contract and he was scheduled to have a base salary of $540,000 for the 2005 season.

Rosenhaus and Redskins officials have been working on the extension since the trade was completed. But with the draft, and Washington having to clear salary cap space to finish the deal, it took more than a month to complete.

There was never any doubt that, once the trade was consummated, the two sides would strike an extension agreement, just as Coles did with the Jets. While negotiations dragged on, though, Moss stayed away from the Redskins' offseason training program. He will report on Wednesday evening to the team and begin participating in the workouts as early as Thursday, Rosenhaus confirmed.

"Everyone worked hard, first of all, to get the trade finished, and then to complete this (extension)," Rosenhaus said before boarding a flight back to his Miami base. "Santana is excited to be with the Redskins and, obviously, he is a player that Washington wanted in its offense. Hopefully, this contract with spark some movement with some other wide receivers in the league."

Rosenhaus represents several other prominent receivers, such as Philadelphia's Terrell Owens and Javon Walker of Green Bay, who are seeking to upgrade their contracts.

Moss, 25, was the Jets' first-round choice in the 2001 draft. The former University of Miami star, who possesses great quickness, has 151 catches for 2,416 yards and 19 touchdowns in 51 appearances.

He has been hampered at times by hamstring and knee injuries but, when healthy, is an explosive performer, as reflected in a career average of 16.0 yards per catch and one touchdown every 7.9 receptions. Of his 151 catches, 106 have resulted in first downs or touchdowns. Moss' best season came in 2003, when he posted 74 receptions for 1,105 yards and 10 scores.

The four-year veteran is also a playmaker on special teams and has averaged 11.9 yards and scored two touchdowns on 88 career punt returns.

Certainly the Washington passing game, statistically the NFL's fourth-least productive in 2004, can use a receiver of Moss' potential. The Redskins, stymied in part by an archaic design that featured a lot of "maximum" protections and only two receivers in the pattern, averaged a paltry 5.36 yards per pass play last season, and 10.96 yards per completion. Both those numbers were second-lowest in the league.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Re: Lenny P reporting Moss signed.
 

yeah, just heard tim brant report it.

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It's up on skins.com. Guess they're trying to beat pasta to the punch! (Who is the mole???? ;))

Be sure to check out the DREW ROSENHAUS video. He keeps saying over and over again what a great owner snyder is, yatta-yatta. I bet he is Drew! Just paid for a new extension on the mansion, I suppose. When agents love you, you gotta worry... BTW, he said that Moss will be at workouts this week, so that's cool. Also, he said Taylor's situation is not "quite worked out" but he hopes to have it done soon. What, exactly, is there to work out, Drew? We promise to re-sign Taylor when his contract is up, in 5 years or so???

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]He keeps saying over and over again what a great owner snyder is, yatta-yatta. .... When agents love you, you gotta worry...[/QUOTE]

Truer words have never been spoken JW.

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Agreed.....Ever wonder why the Skins are top to the dead money list every year?

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They're not, Hijinx. Find me a team in the league that has been able to manage their cap better than us. The patriots are the only team you can argue, in my opinion, and since they're winning people play for cheaper to play for them.

TN is much worse off than we are.

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I agree with Daseal. We get unwarranted critisism here. We're not great at cap management (Deon, George, Brunell, etc) but we're certainly not the worst. I'm just hoping the Moss signing and subsequent participation in voluntary workouts starting Thursday will set a fire under Sean Taylor's ass and get him to DC.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]6 years, 30 mil, 11m signing bonus. Look for it on ESPN under Lenny in a few hours.

At least it's his rumor. Take it for what you will.[/QUOTE]

I hate Lenny Pasta. Am I alone?

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I'm glad the guy may finally grace the team with his presence. Still, why is it that the team discovers the phrase fiscal responsibility when a quality class-act like Pierce wants more money, but then overpays a solid yet unremarkable wide receiver w/the makings of an attitude problem? Baffling ...

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No, you're not. I don't like his writings, but his radio interviews are OK. Atleast the times I've listened to him he hasn't been as negative towards the Skins as he is in print.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]They're not, Hijinx. Find me a team in the league that has been able to manage their cap better than us. The patriots are the only team you can argue, in my opinion, and since they're winning people play for cheaper to play for them.

TN is much worse off than we are.[/QUOTE]

I agree 110%. We were supposed to have been in Cap hell since 2002, and each year, we seem to be able to operate just fine. Once again, I'm not saying I agree with the money shelled out for him, but I agree with you about managing the cap.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Find me a team in the league that has been able to manage their cap better than us. The patriots are the only team you can argue, in my opinion, and since they're winning people play for cheaper to play for them.[/QUOTE]

Eagles.
They haven't been within a mile of their cap for a decade and they have made it to at least the NFC Championship game for four straight years.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Eagles.
They haven't been within a mile of their cap for a decade and they have made it to at least the NFC Championship game for four straight years.[/QUOTE]

Same coach, same QB.

I think that Snyder is starting to recognize this. I don't think he minds spending every penny of the cap. The team makes plenty of cash. They always seem to be able to pay for the player they want but only as much as they deem he is worth. The problem is that they don't always understand what a player is worth...

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so now hes gonna be at the workouts. does that mean sean taylor will start going now too?

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no. even though they were both holding out, just because moss got his handled doesn't mean taylor will get his handled. in fact, this is probably gonna make taylor think they will meet his demands.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Eagles.
They haven't been within a mile of their cap for a decade and they have made it to at least the NFC Championship game for four straight years.[/QUOTE]
Well i guess that they are really happy that they got T.O cheep now that he descided he doesn't want to play, isn't Westbrook doing the same thing?:party-smi :smashfrea :frusty:

but otherwise you are right they did a good job and that is why they are good

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This deal is fine. it is good. i don't think we overpaid. other sites say 25 or 26.25 so we don't know it all and we will wait for the big announcement. If it is in the 25 range it is a great deal at 31 i think that it is fine. and i don't think that this will spur up Taylor and give him any backing. What backing will he have? You guys signed a player that just joined the team? I just think it may leave him all alone in critism

BY THE WAY AT WIZ TIME THE WIZ AREW WINNING BY 14!!

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The skins reported

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The Redskins have agreed to a contract extension with wide receiver Santana Moss, the team announced on Wednesday. Moss's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, was at Redskins Park on Wednesday finalizing the contract extension.
The team has scheduled a Thursday afternoon press conference to discuss the contract extension. Check back with Redskins.com on Thursday for complete coverage, including live audio of the press conference.

Moss is expected to be on hand for the press conference. He is also expected to participate in the team's voluntary off-season workout program starting Thursday.


Santana Moss
The Redskins acquired Moss on March 10 in the well-publicized trade that sent unhappy wide receiver Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets.

Moss, 25, played four seasons with the Jets and accumulated 151 receptions for 2,416 yards and 19 touchdowns.

The 5-10, 185-pound wide receiver out of Miami (Fla.) finished the 2004 season with 45 receptions for 838 yards and a team-high five touchdown grabs.

In the AFC Divisional Playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers last season, Moss logged a 75-yard punt return for a touchdown.

In 2003, Moss set career highs with 74 receptions for 1,105 yards and 10 touchdowns.

Moss entered the league in 2001 as a first-round (16th overall) draft choice by the Jets.

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This guy has done nothing to warrent 5 mil a year and 11 mil upfront IMO. Sadly though he's the Redskins best WR and an integral part of next season.

I wonder if he would have showed up and played out the contract without an extension. I would rather he played a full seaosn for us and earned that money before we opened the cash register.

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[QUOTE=celts32]This guy has done nothing to warrent 5 mil a year and 11 mil upfront IMO. Sadly though he's the Redskins best WR and an integral part of next season.

I wonder if he would have showed up and played out the contract without an extension. I would rather he played a full seaosn for us and earned that money before we opened the cash register.[/QUOTE]

O I C now, makes sense we could have waited till the end of his 1 year deal.

But what if he is good 1 year, then he will want hella mulla or he goes to another team. Smoot like situation. But it is a safty net not signing him because he may suck it up.

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Ah well....at least I'm not the one making the checks out! LOL

So this is the big news? If so, I'm kind of disappointed, because I was sure Moss would've signed sooner or later anyways.

At least now we'll see him getting in there with the team and working out. He had better live up to that contract though!

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[QUOTE=Grayacre]I'm glad the guy may finally grace the team with his presence. Still, why is it that the team discovers the phrase fiscal responsibility when a quality class-act like Pierce wants more money, but then overpays a solid yet unremarkable wide receiver w/the makings of an attitude problem? Baffling ...[/QUOTE]



class-act like pierce? give me a break, all he talked about was being a team guy and how badly he wanted to return to the skins, then he leaves for new york for just a little more money then we offered. he did not deserve to be payed more money than marcus washington. screw pierce, i hope portis out runs him all the way to the endzone.

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I kinda think Moss for $26.5 over 5 years is a pretty good deal. That's not overpaying at all, especially considering there is a clause included in the contract that some of the cash is contingent upon the number of snaps he plays. Find me a receiver of his talent level that you can get for a better deal.

Moss had a hamstring injury last year, that's why his stats weren't great. But he sure looked fine in the playoffs, catching that bomb from Pennington and returning the punt for TDs. As long as he's healthy, he's worth this money. And if he's not healthy, he won't get paid as much. I think it's fine.

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IT's all about the yards per catch... If he stays healthy, it's a good deal.

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i just hope their is injury clauses that lessen the hit if he is injured alot,or incentive clauses that would protect in case he turns out to be made of china

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Not a bad deal IMO.

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I think $5 million per season for a WR isn't as much as it used to be. WRs are expensive, that's just a fact of life. I don't think Moss is a bargain at this price, but I don't think we overpaid. Sounds right on the money to me.

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Yeah, as soon as I got on here this morning, I was like, "I can deal with that."

Not TOO shabby.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Well i guess that they are really happy that they got T.O cheep now that he descided he doesn't want to play, isn't Westbrook doing the same thing?:party-smi :smashfrea :frusty:

[/QUOTE]

Very true, and I love seeing it. However, this isn't the first time the Eagles have dealt with situations like this. Staley held out of training camp once, Trotter, Douglas, and Emmons all wanted more money than they were worth and were sent packing (the very year after they were voted defensive MVP by their teammates), and Taylor and Vincent weren't given a second glance when they wanted starting CB money just a year ago. Fact is (and this is the part that drives me absolutely insane), it's never come back to bite them in the a$$. Every other time they've had a player demand something of them, they haven't hesitated to say "don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you on the way out".

By no means am I defending the Eagles. I hate the Eagles as much as anyone on this earth can possibly hate them. I literally have to deal with their fans every single day (and everyone knows the worst part about the Eagles is their fans). But if the question is who has done a better job than the Skins at managing the cap? That's my answer. I'd trade their cap situation for ours, and the success they've had over the past 5 years, any day.

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After thinking about it, it's probably a pretty decent deal for the Redskins. At least we have Moss in our camp now - a much needed receiver working out with the team!

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Yeah, except we overpayed for his ass.

Oh well, we can't be wrong on all of our decisions.

Can we????

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Only time will tell if this was a good deal. He does seem to have a nack for getting into the endzone and if I'm correct Coles only score one TD last Year. With all of his receptions you would have thought he could have scored a few more.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Only time will tell if this was a good deal. He does seem to have a nack for getting into the endzone and if I'm correct Coles only score one TD last Year. With all of his receptions you would have thought he could have scored a few more.[/QUOTE]

Not only a knack for scoring but for gaining first downs as well.

I really don't think this is a bad deal at all, in fact I was expecting much worse.

It's basically a 5-year, $25M deal. Could have been much worse. If we took a WR at #9 in the draft it probably would have cost just as much if not more, at least we're getting a proven guy.

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Yeah, and we know he DOES have the potential to be a strong #1 as well. In his best season, he put up TO-like numbers. If he can replicate that kind of production, I'll be more than happy with the contract.

I'll think it was a bargain.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]class-act like pierce? give me a break, all he talked about was being a team guy and how badly he wanted to return to the skins, then he leaves for new york for just a little more money then we offered. he did not deserve to be payed more money than marcus washington. screw pierce, i hope portis out runs him all the way to the endzone.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure that being a team guy necessarily means being willing to accept any deal that they throw at you. Pierce went from back-up to Pro Bowl alternate; expecting a commensurate pay increase was not unreasonable. Further, it was not inconsistent to say that he wanted to return, give the 'Skins a chance to match any offer, and then leave when they didn't. It IS inconsitent to blather on about a "core group of Redskins" and then balk at paying more for someone who exceeded every expectation on the field and made it clear that he wanted to be here. If it was "just a little more money," the 'Skins should not have hesitated to pay ...

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What you and wolfeskins say are both very true... It can go either way. It's the same to say that Pierce SHOULD have stayed for just a little less money than he was offered just as the Redskins should have paid a little more.

Typically, I like to side with the organizations because we get into the age-old argument that pro athletes are paid too much.

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That's a fair position ... it's definitely an issue that can quickly lead to a circular discussion.