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Good Monday morning to everyone! Now that McC has closed the books on his first Skins draft what do you think? I'm feeling good because all the moves this free agency and the draft seem to have a theme of developing a big strong physical team. I think we addressed alot needs especially with the Oline and Special teams.

What pick did you like? Where do you have questions?

Schreff is probably the best pick and probably the safest pick of the draft. I think I will always watch Leonard Williams to see what he does, but no questions with Schreff...he will be a skilled, tone-setting type of player that will thrive.

My question is with Preston Smith, is he really an OLB in this D? I just dont see him being fast enough standing up rushing the passer; his value is more with his fingers in the dirt. Not questioning the talent, just the value of best use.

I think the Jaimson Crowder pick is really exciting and Kouandjio could be a steal if he knees can hold up.

Overall, really impressive

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AJ Cann went just a few spots before we picked Matt Jones, and Tre Jackson went just a few spots before we picked Kouandjio. We'll never know, but I am guessing Scot had his eyes on one of them and had to adjust on the fly when they got snatched. In the draft all you can do is play the hand you're dealt - I was glad to see he didn't panic and trade up.

I definitely like this draft a lot. I can't foresee a scenario where Scherff won't live up to expectations - he's a very safe pick which I like high in the draft.

On Preston Smith, no concerns. He's a carbon copy of Kerrigan in terms of height, weight, and his times in the 40, 3 cone, and shuttle. I have no problems at all with Ryan Kerrigan, that's for sure.

I would not assign Preston Smith to cover Zach Ertz, but I wouldn't assign that task to Ryan Kerrigan either. That's best left to Keenan or the safeties.

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Thumbs up.

I like the traits McLovin prioritized. Even Crowder is a tough guy.

We got a punisher in the 3rd.

Smith is smart. He can transition.

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I'm happy with the entire draft just hope it translates into wins

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some folks believe that we reached at pick #1 ..well the Giants were picking Schreff and the Skins knew this..so it had to be done. I love the draft we had..only time will tell for sure but at least there was a sense of purpose and a plan in this years draft!!

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[quote=Schneed10;1112790]AJ Cann went just a few spots before we picked Matt Jones, and Tre Jackson went just a few spots before we picked Kouandjio. We'll never know, but I am guessing Scot had his eyes on one of them and had to adjust on the fly when they got snatched. In the draft all you can do is play the hand you're dealt - I was glad to see he didn't panic and trade up.

I definitely like this draft a lot. I can't foresee a scenario where Scherff won't live up to expectations - he's a very safe pick which I like high in the draft.

On Preston Smith, no concerns. He's a carbon copy of Kerrigan in terms of height, weight, and his times in the 40, 3 cone, and shuttle. I have no problems at all with Ryan Kerrigan, that's for sure.

I would not assign Preston Smith to cover Zach Ertz, but I wouldn't assign that task to Ryan Kerrigan either. That's best left to Keenan or the safeties.[/quote]

If it makes you feel better Walter Football has Kouandjio rated the same as McCann and Johnson.
[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2015OG.php]WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Guard Rankings[/url]

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There is a school of thought that says you don't pick RTs or Gs high in the draft because they're not high impact positions. But what that leaves out is the basic laws of supply and demand. Brian Bulaga, a solid but not spectacular RT, got 7.5 million per year in free agency. While Stephen Paea, a solid but unspectacular DL, got $4M per year. Same with Terrance Knighton.

So I don't think the current NFL agrees that RT isn't an impact position, otherwise we wouldn't see these RTs getting paid so well. Have to be careful relying on the old tried and true thinking just for its own sake. That's how you find yourself behind the curve in a changing NFL.

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Love the draft. I think the first three picks set the tone and sent a clear message as to the type of team McC is building. Big and nasty. McC doesn't just want to win games, he wants to beat the other team up while doing so.

My favorite pick? P. Smith. Never heard of him before the draft but all I read is he is big, strong and mean. If he is a Kerrigan clone, I am really good with that. From what I saw, he is plenty fast enough to be an edge rusher. He may not have the speed of a Beasley but Beasley has to run further to get around the LT; Smith is going to take the short path and drive right through a few guys. Also, Terrell Suggs got knocked on his 40 time back in the day, and his response was, essentially, "I only gotta run 10 yards to get to the QB." I am hopeful that Smith is going to be a beast.

Sleeper pick? Not sure if it's a "sleeper," but I am betting Kouandjio is a Day 1 starter.

My only problem with the draft? Would have liked a safety or convertible corner rather than RB in the third, rather than WR in the 4th, or, again, rather than ILB in the 5th. At the same time, I like the picks taken in those spots and trust in in the McC. Just concerned that we did not really address the FS issue before the 6th round.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1112817]Love the draft. I think the first three picks set the tone and sent a clear message as to the type of team McC is building. Big and nasty. McC doesn't just want to win games, he wants to beat the other team up while doing so.

My favorite pick? P. Smith. Never heard of him before the draft but all I read is he is big, strong and mean. If he is a Kerrigan clone, I am really good with that. From what I saw, he is plenty fast enough to be an edge rusher. He may not have the speed of a Beasley but Beasley has to run further to get around the LT; Smith is going to take the short path and drive right through a few guys. Also, Terrell Suggs got knocked on his 40 time back in the day, and his response was, essentially, "I only gotta run 10 yards to get to the QB." I am hopeful that Smith is going to be a beast.

Sleeper pick? Not sure if it's a "sleeper," but I am betting Kouandjio is a Day 1 starter.

My only problem with the draft? Would have liked a safety or convertible corner rather than RB in the third, rather than WR in the 4th, or, again, rather than ILB in the 5th. At the same time, I like the picks taken in those spots and trust in in the McC. Just concerned that we did not really address the FS issue before the 6th round.[/quote]

It does suck being in the same spot we've been at free safety - still no long term solution. But at the 3rd 4th and 5th rounds I can't remember myself looking at the available players and thinking 'oh there's a safety we need to draft.'

I'm really, really glad we landed Crowder. That's a player a lot of NFL teams have on their roster, and we just don't. It adds a whole new dimension. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, St. Louis used Danny Amendola in the slot, and then you think of guys like Antonio Brown and TY Hilton who started off as slot guys and later transitioned to overall downfield weapons.

Overall I'm glad we didn't reach.

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Cole Beasley, another example. He's a little pain in the freakin ass. And Crowder probably has more upside than him.

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As to the Scherff pick, McC had him as the 3rd best prospect behind Fowler and Cooper so he is already, by his board, getting a value for Scherff. Also, I am betting Sherff would have been gone by the 9th pick (NYG). Who knows, maybe he was worried about a trade up by NYG. Thus, if he couldn't get a solid trade, and he considered the drop off at RT or BPA to be too big, then Scherff was the best balance of BPA/Need.

You can go a long way in this league with bookend tackles. Scherff may never be a premium LT and require payment at that level, but, as Schneed noted, good RT's require big bucks eventually. Plus, after watching his videos, I love the big nasty he brings.

Scherff and Williams set us up along the OL in a way we haven't been since the Jansen/Samuels days back in the early 2000's. That's a good thing.

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[quote=Chico23231;1112788]Good Monday morning to everyone! Now that McC has closed the books on his first Skins draft what do you think? I'm feeling good because all the moves this free agency and the draft seem to have a theme of developing a big strong physical team. I think we addressed alot needs especially with the Oline and Special teams.

What pick did you like? Where do you have questions?

Schreff is probably the best pick and probably the safest pick of the draft. I think I will always watch Leonard Williams to see what he does, but no questions with Schreff...he will be a skilled, tone-setting type of player that will thrive.

My question is with Preston Smith, is he really an OLB in this D? I just dont see him being fast enough standing up rushing the passer; his value is more with his fingers in the dirt. Not questioning the talent, just the value of best use.

I think the Jaimson Crowder pick is really exciting and Kouandjio could be a steal if he knees can hold up.

Overall, really impressive[/quote]

I think with Smith it was more about getting a good football player and finding out where to put him. He's probably more of a 4-3 end so maybe they'll put his hand in the dirt on passing downs. Maybe they move him around.

Hard to argue with drafting Schreff. We need a big, physical guy that brings attitude. We're just way too soft on the O-line. I like that pick a lot. No complaints there.

Love the 4th rounder as well. Didn't like that we had a chance to get Lockett, but we got Crowder who can do the same things plus got those extra picks.

My one real issues was Jones. Don't have a problem taking a back, but Jones just didn't have the production, plus he doesn't catch out of the backfield. Just thought that was a reach. He could've been had in the 5th round.

Overall, this was a more than solid draft and a job well done. Now we need to see these guys in pads.

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I really wanted Tre' Jackson, so it bugged me that the Skins felt the need to take Crowder first in that round. Lo and behold, the Pats got Jackson one pick before we made our second pick in the round. It would be nice to know that SM would have taken Arie over Jackson, anyway.

I love the video I've seen on Martrel Spaight. I have the feeling he's going to be "spaighting" people for the B&G for many years.

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NO Flash.....NO Style points......NO winning the offseason...
JUST Heartbreakers and Lifetakers (thank you Clint)
Most importantly, I did not have to [B]Sell Myself[/B] on this being a great draft for this team and that we are indeed on the path to recovery.
I thank you SM

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We hit on some big needs, got some big physical types with some attitude, and I think improved special teams with the later round picks. Time will tell of course but I liked what we got done. It's nice to finally have a grown-up in charge with a plan.

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[quote=Mattyk;1112828]We hit on some big needs, got some big physical types with some attitude, and I think improved special teams with the later round picks. Time will tell of course but I liked what we got done. It's nice to finally have a grown-up in charge with a plan.[/quote]

Yeah the attitude is key. The team has definitely felt like it has lacked identity for years. McLoughan is clearly going for tough, physical, and nasty.

If you set a tone and build in that direction, all of a sudden guys who you never thought were tough start taking pride in that kind of trait. I think it can be contagious on a team and breed a culture.

Chip Kelly has his sports science, fitness, and fast pace. Seattle has its punishing defense. We clearly are going for one thing: brawlers. McLoughan wants us to win in a streetfight.

I love it.

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[quote=Schneed10;1112829]Yeah the attitude is key. The team has definitely felt like it has lacked identity for years. McLoughan is clearly going for tough, physical, and nasty.

If you set a tone and build in that direction, all of a sudden guys who you never thought were tough start taking pride in that kind of trait. I think it can be contagious on a team and breed a culture.

[B]Chip Kelly has his sports science, fitness, and fast pace. Seattle has its punishing defense. We clearly are going for one thing: brawlers. McLoughan wants us to win in a streetfight.

I love it[/B].[/quote]

agree I much rather have a physical team than I what I see in spread offenses, run n shoot etc.

Eff that "finesse" p*ssy sh*t...Chip is real cute what he has going there in Philly....everytime the Eagles score a td on offense their celebration should be a curtsey

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After doing a fair amount of complaining about the Scherff pick, mostly because I really like Williams, I'm happy with the outcome of the draft. Hopefully, it leads to a much better offensive line and some guys who can develop into players on this team. I can't say I'm unhappy with any of the picks, looking at it today.

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i'm glad we got a lot of OL guys (including udfas). hopefully there are 2 starters there.

p smith has the exact same speed as orakpo (10, 20, and 40), so he shouldn't have problems at OLB due to that.

overall i'm pretty happy with it. kind of a boring draft, but i think some holes got filled. it's really hard to tell when no one's played a down yet though. everyone thinks their team did great and is going to have a better record than they actually will right now, so...

hope that RB can block. i was getting so mad at how bad we've been at getting RBs and TEs to block anyone last year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1112832]agree I much rather have a physical team than I what I see in spread offenses, run n shoot etc.

Eff that "finesse" p*ssy sh*t...Chip is real cute what he has going there in Philly....everytime the Eagles score a td on offense their celebration should be a curtsey[/quote]

I like it -- we can be like the early days Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan . . . until they get hit." Chip's finesse and timing offense gets derailed when guys are slow to get off the ground.

It's really hard to overstate how much I dislike Chip and the Eagles. Basically, it's pretty easy to hate everyone in the NFC east -- Cowboys, Eagles, Giants -- it's like the axis of douchebaggery. (Although I confess I like Tom Coughlin -- class act, and gets guys to over-acheive).

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/McShay-Redskins-landed-a-minimum-of-three-starters-in-NFL-Draft-37105636]McShay: Redskins landed a minimum of three starters in NFL Draft[/url]

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One big thing is that this was a regular NFL-team draft! We had some needs, made some picks, it all seems to be aimed at making our team better. Weird how that hasn't always ( or often!) seemed like the case in the recent past. Glad to have adults at the helm. Of course, it's still a question of how these guys will pan out. But that's the same question for every team.

My biggest like is the 10 picks. Man, that's an improvement! And he's got a jump on stockpiling picks for next time.

And remember, McC doesn't yet have his whole staff of scouts in place yet. This draft is pretty much a tryout for the holdovers.

Now, let's repeat this process for 3-4 years and we'll be somewhere good. May the good lord give little Danny patience!

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[quote=calia;1112837]I like it -- we can be like the early days Mike Tyson: [B]"Everyone has a plan . . . until they get hit."[/B] Chip's finesse and timing offense gets derailed when guys are slow to get off the ground.

It's really hard to overstate how much I dislike Chip and the Eagles. Basically, it's pretty easy to hate everyone in the NFC east -- Cowboys, Eagles, Giants -- it's like [B]the axis of douchebaggery[/B]. (Although I confess I like Tom Coughlin -- class act, and gets guys to over-acheive).[/quote]

Classic post!

That ought to be our team motto: "Everyone has a plan...until they get hit."

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Need to get a poll going... Grade the draft.. A through F

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Loved the picks of Scherff and Crowder. Jones and Kouandjio have had knee problems in the past, but could be good players if they stay healthy. As for the late-round picks, it doesn't look like Scot necessarily tried to find starters... instead it looks like he focused on finding tough role players who will add value on special teams and as depth. Seems to be a good class, but we'll see.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1112824]My one real issues was Jones. Don't have a problem taking a back, but Jones just didn't have the production, plus he doesn't catch out of the backfield. Just thought that was a reach. He could've been had in the 5th round. [/quote]

Surprise quickly turned into excitement over the Jones pick. Being able to spell out Alf with a bad mofo like Jones is gonna suck the life out of defenses.

Time and his knees will tell if the pick was smart but I'm pumped about the thinking behind it.

He is a big bad man.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1112850]Classic post!



That ought to be our team motto: "Everyone has a plan...until they get hit."[/QUOTE]


Many thanks. Can't wait to see these guys get on the field.


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What exactly are the concerns over Kouandjio's knees? Dude hasn't been hurt since his sophomore year. Played every game in his junior and senior seasons.

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[quote=Schneed10;1112889]What exactly are the concerns over Kouandjio's knees? Dude hasn't been hurt since his sophomore year. Played every game in his junior and senior seasons.[/quote]

at the combine during the medical evals, he failed multiple teams physical due to his knees. he was seen as undraftable by multiple teams.

I feel where we took him was enough risk to take on any concerns. 4th round pick? not a loss if he wouldnt pan

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Good stuff on Jones, I think we're really going to like him. Good blocker, underrated catching balls out of the backfield.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/05/05/a-closer-look-at-redskins-third-round-running-back-matt-jones/?postshare=8741430834748569]A closer look at Redskins’ third-round running back Matt Jones - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1112890]at the combine during the medical evals, he failed multiple teams physical due to his knees. he was seen as undraftable by multiple teams.

I feel where we took him was enough risk to take on any concerns. 4th round pick? not a loss if he wouldnt pan[/quote]

Undraftable... yet he played two consecutive seasons without missing a game.

What am I not understanding?

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[quote=Mattyk;1112893]Good stuff on Jones, I think we're really going to like him. Good blocker, underrated catching balls out of the backfield.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/05/05/a-closer-look-at-redskins-third-round-running-back-matt-jones/?postshare=8741430834748569"]A closer look at Redskins’ third-round running back Matt Jones - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

Love it. Different skill set than Morris, a complimentary one.

Morris on early downs and Jones on 3rd? Keeps 'em both fresh.

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[quote=Schneed10;1112894]Undraftable... yet he played two consecutive seasons without missing a game.

What am I not understanding?[/quote]

if you fail the team's physical, you are taken off their draft board. I dont know, I feel comfortable he was able to play he junior and senior years...and especially with Callahan on board.

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I don't understand why some people are down on Moses and Long. They both have the physical traits you want. Some players just need a little more time to develop. We'll see where they are in training camp.

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[quote=Chico23231;1112896]if you fail the team's physical, you are taken off their draft board. I dont know, I feel comfortable he was able to play he junior and senior years...and especially with Callahan on board.[/quote]

Well yeah, thanks for that. What I'm asking is why he failed. Just doesn't make sense, how could he play two straight years without an issue but fail physicals?

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1112899]Well yeah, thanks for that. What I'm asking is why he failed. Just doesn't make sense, how could he play two straight years without an issue but fail physicals?[/QUOTE]


Team physicals can be pretty subjective. I'm sure the Skins did their homework and weighed any risks.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/nfl-draft-alabama-ol-arie-kouandjio-has-a-masters-degree-plan/2015/05/01/9f98804a-ef77-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html]NFL draft: Alabama OL Arie Kouandjio has a master’s degree plan - The Washington Post[/url]

[quote]He soon learned that tendinitis had worn off 90 percent of the patella tendon in his right knee and 60 percent of the muscle in his left knee, leading doctors to recommend a double operation that jeopardized his football career.[/quote]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737195/arie-kouandjio]Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[quote]WEAKNESSES: <snip> Serious medical concerns after multiple knee surgeries to both knees.[/quote]

He may be fine now, but teams were probably worried about his long-range durability.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1112904][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/nfl-draft-alabama-ol-arie-kouandjio-has-a-masters-degree-plan/2015/05/01/9f98804a-ef77-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html]NFL draft: Alabama OL Arie Kouandjio has a masterâ€[emoji769]s degree plan - The Washington Post[/url]







[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737195/arie-kouandjio]Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]







He may be fine now, but teams were probably worried about his long-range durability.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I can see long term concerns, but for some teams if he can play 4-5 years that's enough to give him a shot.

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[quote=Chico23231;1112788]...what do you think?....
What pick did you like? Where do you have questions? [/quote]
Solid draft.
Schreff provides an instant boost to the OL at RT.

I like the Preston Smith signing a lot. Big bodied atheltic pass rusher.
( Personal pet peeve nothing irks me more then when a edge rusher is stood up/stale mated by a RB and big bodied pass rushers like Smith win against a RB every time.) Smith physique and playing style remind me of Michael Bennett and I imagine that's how he'll be used regardless of what they call him OLB or whatever. I see him a situational pass rusher in sub packages (and since teams are in nickel/known pass situations ~70% of the time anyway) rushing from the edge or bumped down over a guard.

Kerrigan-Hatcher-Paea-Smith or even Kerrigan-Hatcher-Smith-Murphy/Trev Williams

My favorite picks are probably won't even play much this year: Kysheon Jarrett and Martell Spaight (sp) in another thread I listed Martell as one of the prospects that I liked and it was because he's a tackling machine and he brings 'pop' to his tackles. Kysheon is an underrated S in this class. Can play Free and Strong is a willing tacklers and has decent size for a FS (small for a SS) Kysheon reminds me of a (faster) TJ Ward/Donte Whitner.

I don't get the Matt Jones pick he seems like a less talented version of Morris and there were other quality backs/players on the board when he was picked.
I'll have to go back and look at his games.

I like the Arie K pick because we need help at the OG position and throwing bodies at it is a good way to address it. Between Moses, Compton, Long and Kouandjio someone has got to supplant Chester.

I'm meh on Crowder, size deficient and speed deficient when you consider his size. Maybe he can upgrade the return units and that alone would be well worth the selection.

I like the gamble on the Tevin Mitchell kid, could be a slot/nickel specialist but with his measurables...he could be more.

Overall I think the team got better with this draft.
Adding 1 sure starter in Schreff and another heavy contributor to the defense/pass rush in Preston Smith.

Addressed depth/special teams with the other selections. It may be a stretch to call a special teammer a 'starter' but from the looks of things Spencer, especially, is gonna a core special teams player and Spaight and Jarrett should be too.