Sean Taylor's Contract
 

I haven't been to the warpath for a while so I apologize if this has been discussed already...

Am I the only one that is irritated with players demanding their contract be renegotiated? So far this year you have Taylor, Ed Reed, Owens, Corey Dillon, the list goes on... Before they sign doesn't the player's association review the contract as well?

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Hey Skins73, these previous threads might help you get caught up on that subject:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=6191[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=6195[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=6131[/url]

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Thanks TAFKAS, it just burns me up when I hear terrel owens say, "i need to feed my family." I'm off my soap box now!

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SKINS73, yes, he does need to feed his family a steady diet of Escalades, plasma TVs and 23" rims.

;)

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exactly. i mean, who can feed their family on 49 million. it's unheard of of how little these players get paid. i want to see these guys get 100 million contracts, you know, while the rest of us middle class people live like so called kings

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Everyone knows my position on pro athletes, actors and the rest who get paid ludacrous amounts for doing their jobs.

The biggest waste of money I've ever seen is how Mystikal got the "dome" of his house coated in gold. Are you f-in kidding me?!

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yeah that has to be one of the stupidest things ever done

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I do think Sean Taylor has a bigger gripe than most. He got screwed on his rookie contract, why? So he wouldn't be a camp holdout! Let's help the man out and keep him happy.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I do think Sean Taylor has a bigger gripe than most. He got screwed on his rookie contract, why? So he wouldn't be a camp holdout! Let's help the man out and keep him happy.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you want to start redoing deals that are only a year old.No matter why they where signed.
I could see it next year if Taylor has a really great season. But you don't want to set a precedent. The next guy that has a greedy agent whispering in his ear will say it worked for Sean. Why not me? That's not a good thing for our Skins. :nono:



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Exactly! This is how I see it: Play under the deal that you signed....for at least a couple years. Bad deal or not, it is a SIGNED contract, isn't it? After two (or three) quality years, then talk about wanting a new one.
From what I've read, it seems that it is an heavily incentive laden contract, so if he plays as well as most of us think he will, he will make those incentives and his contract won't be so "bad".

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I do think Sean Taylor has a bigger gripe than most. He got screwed on his rookie contract, why? So he wouldn't be a camp holdout! Let's help the man out and keep him happy.[/QUOTE]

I don't follow. How did he get screwed? If anything, his agents (former agents-Mato and Moorad) screwed him but that's not the responsibility of the Redskins to make up for any errors the agents made

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No kidding! Can't you just see Snyder calling Taylor to let him know that he's not getting the best deal he could. :rolleyes:
If you and your fancy million dallor agent sign the contract. Then you only have your self to blame.
Suck it up Sean!!!!!!

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Exactly what I was going to say. Maybe that will teach him to pick a better agent. We can't set this precedent, ESPECIALLY with Rosenhaus.

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Not saying it's the Redskins fault. Compare his salary to other top 10s that year.

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Isnt Sean Being Paid Among The Highest For Safeties?
This Is All Ridiculous.

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He IS getting underpaid for a top 10 safety, however that's the nature of the beast for having crappy agents.

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[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3579810[/url]

I love this article. I love how Rosenhaus is getting dicked by Philly (so far).

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I didn't mean top 10 safety, I meant a top 10 pick. Safeties get paid slightly less than most position on aveverage, but so do tight ends. ST got robbed on his contract.

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No doubt about that. I still think he's a top 10 safety though. I don't think we need to pay for his agent's mistakes though.

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Would you rather open the check book and pay a little more now, or lose him when his rookie contract expires?

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I think opening the check book now sends a dangerous message. I don't think that NOT paying him now will mean that we won't pay him when his contract expires. Samuels got paid, I think Taylor will too.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I think opening the check book now sends a dangerous message.[/QUOTE]

I agree, what would stop another player who had a breakout season from saying, "I want more money!"?

Does anyone think that Sean Taylor would ist out a season if he doesn't get a new contract?

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I don't know. He doesn't talk to the press that much and hasn't made any comments. I think if the Eagles don't bow to TO, the Redskins won't bow to Taylor.

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They're going to ask for more money anyways. Was it dangerous to give Portis a new deal? A holdout from Denver because of his low rookie salary, which is why we got him. Or how about LaVar getting the highest LB contract in the NFL and wanting another 6.5 mil. Oh, Oh! Santana Moss getting a pretty hefty extention! Just remember - Chris Samuels could have said no to restructure and screwed up our cap royally, yes he got a good deal with it, but all it takes is someone who's mad with the organization and we're in trouble.

Players hold out for cash, it's their only bargaining chip. I'm sure some of you guys are part of a union, ever been unhappy with wages? Let me know what happens.

Is he still making more money than I hope to make in my lifetime? Yes. Comparably to other people drafted around him, no.

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I'd still like to see some numbers comparing Taylor's contract with other top safeties in the league. That's the more relevant comparison if Taylor is claiming he is underpaid. You don't see Chris Cooley saying, "hey, did you see what that Peyton Manning guy just got? I feel like I'm getting the shaft." Yes, Taylor was drafted in the top 10, but he's a safety. Safeties don't get QB, WR, RB, TE pay. They just don't. Of course he's getting less than Winslow (and others drafted around him), any safety in the history of the league would be.

I just wish we had some numbers to back up the assumptions flying around that Taylor got screwed. I tried finding them, and came up almost empty. I know Taylor is getting paid more than Ed Reed and Roy Williams, but I guess that's not enough.

And as for pissing him off? F- Him. If he's the type of player to sign a contract and then not want to play under it less than 365 days later (Hello, can you say second coming of T.O.?), and if he's the type of player who wants to blame the world for all of his problems (i.e. if his agent dropped the ball and didn't get every dollar out of the Skins that he could have), then I'm not so sure I want him as a long term Skin. Nobody is irreplaceable. The franchise won't fall to pieces if Taylor plays out his contract and then leaves pissed of at the skins. I just don't understand the desire to cater to this second-year player.

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The Skins need to treat this situation the same way the Eagles are treating the TO situation. If ST wants to show up as his contract states then that's great. If he wants to pull a power play and sit out, good luck because the team wont crumble without him.

The skins need to take a hard line with these guys but unfortunately the have set a bad presedent in the past and moss' new deal doesent help. It's only a matter of time before the skins pay ST.

The sad part is that all this $ does not seem to build any loyality or goodwill between the players and the organization.

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I agree. I really feel like Rosenhaus it to blame in all of this. Just like we heard from Santana Moss, they are just following their agent's advice. Again, I'll repeat myself when I say we send a dangerous message if we restructure Taylor's contract already. Not only can he NOT do anything until August 1st, we are also letting Rosenhaus be able to put more and more pressure on the teams of anyone he represents. So basically, Rosenhaus represents a LOT of people and he would think he could expect that from the Redskins for any player they draft/sign that works with them.

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I don't think Moss' deal is a problem. I think we paid a decent amount and it wasn't like we restructured his contract.

I definitely agree we need to take a hardline position. It might make Drew revamp how he deals with teams.

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OK several points.
1. Portis was drafted in the 2nd round and was getting paid squat for 2 straight 1500 yard seasons before being traded to the skins. He was a top 5 RB in the NFL getting paid like a 2nd or 3rd stringer at RB and at RB what is the average career 5-7 years max??? Come on apples and oranges
2. Moss was in the last year of his deal at $400K and was a proven player in the league who the skins traded for...if you trade for someone in their last year of a deal you are going to give them a new deal or they will sit out...Do you really think Moss would have showed up to camp for $400K after being traded???
3. TO and Sean Taylor they still have MANY years left on their contracts...which they just signed last year!!! I know football is a risky business and you have to get paid when you can but jeeeez they just signed their contracts last year!!!! and they want new ones. Screw 'em let them hold out this year, next year, the year after and on until their contract is up and keep fining them for not showing up to work. What type of power/control do they have??? NONE!!! If they are disgruntled and hurting the team do what Gruden in Tampa Bay did to Keyshawn and put their butts off the team in the middle of the season so they can't play/practice etc...Heck buy them a big screen so they can watch the games...I might not like Snyder but that was hysterical the way he put it to Coles!!

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The NFL needs to take a stand NOW. I bet Taylor shows up to practices when he gets his ass fined daily for NOT coming.

In the end though, I think I'm looking way too into it. I think Taylor will show up and be fine. He has incenties built into his contract, and I think his sophomore stint will be a great one.

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I believe there will be a major push to have this issue addressed and fixed in the next CBA. Perhaps adopting a rule such as the NBA that basically sets rookie contracts at 3 years and gives little to no wiggle room for teams or players.
An interesting idea I read somewhere changed the way holdouts would be handled also. Basically an "official" holdout would have to be registered with the NFLPA and the league. At that point the players rights clock would stop. Meaning if a guy "offically" held out with 365 days left on his contract then when the holdout ends he still has 365 days left on his contract. During the holdout he cannot be fined but he cannot get paid either. This would give players a lot less incentive to holdout unless they wanted to give up more time. A unofficial holdout would require a prohibitively steep per day fine of something like .5% of the current year salary and prorated bonus. For the big guys that would work out to some ridiculous numbers up into the hundreds of thousands.

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[QUOTE=SKINS73]I haven't been to the warpath for a while so I apologize if this has been discussed already...

Am I the only one that is irritated with players demanding their contract be renegotiated? So far this year you have Taylor, Ed Reed, Owens, Corey Dillon, the list goes on... Before they sign doesn't the player's association review the contract as well?[/QUOTE]

It has a lot to do with the trend actively pursued by agent Drew Rosenhaus........this guy is bad news for the NFL........of course you could argue that the team owners, backload the contracts and the players never see any of the big money........so they renegotiate to get the money while they can............it seems to be a no win situation............

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If they sign it they must play... Sound like a movie right???

Anyway what would happen if TO sits and the Eagles don't pay him. Then he sits another year, and the Eagles don't pay him... No way would he want to sit out 2 years back to back and he would definitely come back to play, but do the Eagles or any team for that matter have the patience to wait a player out???

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]And as for pissing him off? F- Him. If he's the type of player to sign a contract and then not want to play under it less than 365 days later (Hello, can you say second coming of T.O.?), and if he's the type of player who wants to blame the world for all of his problems (i.e. if his agent dropped the ball and didn't get every dollar out of the Skins that he could have), then I'm not so sure I want him as a long term Skin. Nobody is irreplaceable. The franchise won't fall to pieces if Taylor plays out his contract and then leaves pissed of at the skins. I just don't understand the desire to cater to this second-year player.[/QUOTE]

Amen, PSUSkinsFan. Amen.

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Good points guys, but I would hate for him to go elsewhere... He showed a lot of promise... and immaturity as a rookie, but you know he is going to be a stud...

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[quote]And as for pissing him off? F- Him. If he's the type of player to sign a contract and then not want to play under it less than 365 days later (Hello, can you say second coming of T.O.?), and if he's the type of player who wants to blame the world for all of his problems (i.e. if his agent dropped the ball and didn't get every dollar out of the Skins that he could have), then I'm not so sure I want him as a long term Skin. Nobody is irreplaceable. The franchise won't fall to pieces if Taylor plays out his contract and then leaves pissed of at the skins. I just don't understand the desire to cater to this second-year player.[/quote]

Ready to run Portis out of town? Or would it be fine if Taylor waited another year to threaten a holdout all camp until he got another contract (which he hasn't done yet, he may show up to camp -- we don't know)

Taylor got jacked as a rookie with his contract. At least he's not pulling a LaVar and crying all over the media, and LaVar has no excuse because he got a contract more than he's worth already.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Ready to run Portis out of town? Or would it be fine if Taylor waited another year to threaten a holdout all camp until he got another contract (which he hasn't done yet, he may show up to camp -- we don't know)

Taylor got jacked as a rookie with his contract. At least he's not pulling a LaVar and crying all over the media, and LaVar has no excuse because he got a contract more than he's worth already.[/QUOTE]

Amen brother, Amen...

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I do think Sean Taylor has a bigger gripe than most. He got screwed on his rookie contract, why? So he wouldn't be a camp holdout! Let's help the man out and keep him happy.[/QUOTE]
I agree. ESPN compared the contracts of the top ten or so draft picks last year and Taylor was rock bottom. The team initially said that they would review the terms. :oink:

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Ok you fire your agent cause you do not feel he is doing the proper job. (This was Drew Rosenhaus) and hire another one who gets a deal done that you sign and verbally state that you are happy with. Then you fire that agent and hire the previous agent Drew Rosenhaus) and expect a new deal. Give me a break this guy signed a legitmate contract.

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[QUOTE=Daseal] Taylor got jacked as a rookie with his contract.[/QUOTE]

How does someone get "jacked" with their contract? Was he forced to sign at gunpoint? Was he duped? Did his high-powered lawyers conspire against him? Probably not. Even if his services to the team are worth more now than when he signed the contract, it strains credulity to think that Taylor simply overlooked that possibility when he AGREED to the deal.