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Let's focus on the players.

[U]Plus[/U]

Moses - Big improvement. Looks like the starter at RT.
Jones - Nice power running. Showed instincts and toughness.
RGIII - Showed more poise. Seemed more decisive.
Murphy - Improved pass rush. Looks solid.
Trenton Robinson - Nice game. Tackled well.
Culliver - Leader on the field. Aggressive and tough.

[U]Minus[/U]

Paul - His injury really hurts the team.
DHall - Not moving well. He's not ready to start yet, IMO.
Forbath - Short kickoffs are a big problem.
Roberts - Poor return man. Fumbles on returns. Made some nice catches on offense.

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Preston Smith was a plus as well. Thought he played great.

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[B]Running back Silas Redd will undergo an MRI in the morning for a knee injury that is believed to be tears to his anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported. [/B]



Anyone have a good link that shows unsigned free agent tight ends?

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Smith looked good and the oline looked good as well. Kinda disappointed in the D letting Cleveland get 7 on the opening drive but it's PS can't think too much into it.

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Losing Paul is a killer not only at TE but special teams.

Griffin's bomb to Garçon was on the money, he's gotta make that catch.

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[quote=Mattyk;1116436]Losing Paul is a killer not only at TE but special teams.

Griffin's bomb to Garçon was on the money, he's gotta make that catch.[/quote]

I agree on all points. that drop was a killer for Robert. If PG had caught that it been a good boost of confidence for Robert.

The Paul lost just plan blows.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1116435]Smith looked good and the oline looked good as well. Kinda disappointed in the D letting Cleveland get 7 on the opening drive but it's PS can't think too much into it.[/quote]

Well that PI was suspect on Culliver that moved them into the red zone. That didn't help

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I will add Kirk Cousins as a plus and McRib as a minus. Would like to replace Lauvao with Long.

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Plus: Kirk Cousins is still really good.

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Kirk always plays well in the preseason, I'm finding it hard to be excited about him right now.

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[quote=Mattyk;1116436]Losing Paul is a killer not only at TE but special teams.

Griffin's bomb to Garçon was on the money, he's gotta make that catch.[/quote]

The Garcon play was definitely more Garcon's fault than Griffin's, but the ball needed to be up the field another 5 yards or so. You saw Garcon have to break stride and turn back to the ball.

If Garcon had only a step or two on his man (open in the NFL) instead of wide open because of blown coverage, that ball would have been intercepted. Griffin is still inconsistent on the deep ones.

But yeah, Garcon got his hands on it and just doofed it. His fault more than anybody's.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;1116433]Preston Smith was a plus as well. Thought he played great.[/quote]

Maybe the biggest surprise last night.

Thought we played the run well...

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With Kirk, he was extremely decisive, something he always is. But the sample size here is small. The problem with Kirk was never decisiveness and knowing the offense, the problem is turnovers. He's prone to INTs - bad ones.

This sample size is too small to conclude that he's taken steps to eliminate those.

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Gotta say, can't wait to see what we look like with Desean Jackson in the lineup. The play action passing game was working because of the run success. And with Jackson's speed you don't even need the safety to bite, all it takes is a tiny nibble, a tiny hesitation, and Jackson will toast him every time.

I like our chances at getting Jackson for several very long TD bombs on play action fakes.

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[quote=Schneed10;1116445]Gotta say, can't wait to see what we look like with Desean Jackson in the lineup. The play action passing game was working because of the run success. And with Jackson's speed you don't even need the safety to bite, all it takes is a tiny nibble, a tiny hesitation, and Jackson will toast him every time.

I like our chances at getting Jackson for several very long TD bombs on play action fakes.[/quote]

Crowder too...speed guy in the slot with djax on the outside?

I really got on Roberts last night after the fumble but damn if he didn't look great at receiver. I think Ryan grant is gonna be a starter in the league. Our wr corp is strong.



I think we still got something's to work out in our interior oline.

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[quote=Chico23231;1116446]Crowder too...speed guy in the slot with djax on the outside?

I really got on Roberts last night after the fumble but damn if he didn't look great at receiver. I think Ryan grant is gonna be a starter in the league. Our wr corp is strong.

I think we still got something's to work out in our interior oline.[/quote]

Yeah the idea of Crowder is exciting - if they use him wisely they'll have Jackson deep and let Crowder loose underneath with the quick moves from the slot. Jackson will create the space, and Crowder can shake loose to take advantage of it. Pierre too. It could work well if our damn QB can deliver the ball on time.

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Is it possible that KC is a little more comfortable in the offense year two? I guess for some of you he's not capable of getting better is he? Anyhow, he was clearly the best QB last night. It's early, long way to go, but a nice start for KC.

I was hoping to see that kind of performance from Griffin. He just didn't get the attempts. Let's be honest though, any NFL QB can throw to a guy that's all by himself. I wanted to see him drop back and throw some medium range balls. I would kind of give him an incomplete. He did make a nice play running to his left. But he also had some balls that looked off.

McCoy just does nothing for me. Not sure why he is even being considered for the #2.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1116448]Is it possible that KC is a little more comfortable in the offense year two? I guess for some of you he's not capable of getting better is he? Anyhow, he was clearly the best QB last night. It's early, long way to go, but a nice start for KC.

I was hoping to see that kind of performance from Griffin. He just didn't get the attempts. Let's be honest though, any NFL QB can throw to a guy that's all by himself. I wanted to see him drop back and throw some medium range balls. I would kind of give him an incomplete. He did make a nice play running to his left. But he also had some balls that looked off.

McCoy just does nothing for me. Not sure why he is even being considered for the #2.[/quote]

Well in the race for #2 it's obvious Cousins took a huge lead last night.

I like Kirk on 98% of his throws, it's the 2% that end up as INTs that are the problem. I definitely think he can get better for sure - but we just haven't seen enough preseason games yet to tell if he has.

Sample size just isn't big enough yet. But if he shows signs that he's reduced the risk of INTs, it's hard to argue against him pushing for the starting job.

Gruden said this is RGIII's job at the moment, but nobody ever said that can't change.

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Cousins reminds of Rypien early in his career with the INT's, I think a solid OL giving him time will cut down on the INT's.

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positives:

culliver - seems physical and has a nose to be around the football. dont know if he will hold up for 16 though. i really really like his play.

depth chart WRs seemed to do well - roberts, grant and ross

negatives:

RG3 and Cousins seem to be the same as last year.

RG3 - gruden has to take out half of the tree routes and just run drags and PA, things dont require timing or anticipation. We saw this last year where Def Coord have such any easy job bc they know half the playbook wont be called.

On the RG3 scramble where he picked up 6 yards and a FD, his primary read looked to be a simple hitch and the guy was wide open but RG3 too quickly moved away from him .. even though the guy was right in front of RG3 and he was clearly open. that has to be super frustrating to a coach. the guys at halftime on CSN did a good job of breaking down that play.

RG3s footwork is just awkward.

cousins - when cousins took that sack, gruden screamed to him "OPEN YOUR EYES!" when cousins came to the sideline. it was a quick 3 step drop, trips to the right and cousins just hesitated for a second. i havent seen film breakdown but it sounded like the primary read was open. get the ball out. as an aside - i dont think gruden would scream to RG3 like that.

cousins just gets flustered and panics. in that 2 min drill he seemed frantic.

cousins throws 50/50 balls when a guy is 1 on 1 and i dont mind that. cousins is probably told if you read 1 on 1, throw the ball.

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[quote=Mattyk;1116441]Kirk always plays well in the preseason, I'm finding it hard to be excited about him right now.[/quote]

Kirk is the best QB on the team. That is, until he throws an INT and his confidence goes down the drain. Then he turns into the worst.

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Stoney could make a return to Washington, I didn't know he got released by NE.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/three-tight-ends-other-chris-cooley-make-sense-skins]Tight end options (other than Cooley) that make sense for 'Skins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1116453]Kirk is the best QB on the team. That is, until he throws an INT and his confidence goes down the drain. Then he turns into the worst.[/quote]

His losing confidence after an INT still puzzles me because he was great at leading late game comebacks in college. I thought he had ice in his veins. That's one of the reasons I was happy when we drafted him.

Not to get too touchy-feely but sometimes I wonder if he's being being handled the right way by Gruden.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1116453]Kirk is the best QB on the team. That is, until he throws an INT and his confidence goes down the drain. Then he turns into the worst.[/quote]

This. When Cousins is "on", things just seem to move more smoothly and efficiently then with RGIII. Unfortunately, once he is "off", he goes way, way off. You can practically see him melt under pressure.

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The 49ers do have many TE's available.

[url=http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/8/13/9151633/should-49ers-try-and-trade-tight-ends-to-washington]Should 49ers try and trade tight ends to Washington? - Niners Nation[/url]

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Reading some of the folks who broke down film, it looks to me like RGIII was exactly what we had been hearing from camp. Improved, but inconsistent - on some throws he had good reads, was decisive and the ball came out on time at the top of the drop; a definite improvement from last year. On others, he blew his reads, was a beat or two slow on his reads/throws, or had bad fundamentals.

The consensus, based on the small sample, was that it was an improvement from last year but not a giant leap forward.

Here's a good one that breaks down all his throws: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/08/14/robert-griffin-iii-showed-what-he-needed-to-in-start-against-cleveland/?postshare=5591439550044937[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1116442]The Garcon play was definitely more Garcon's fault than Griffin's, but the ball needed to be up the field another 5 yards or so. You saw Garcon have to break stride and turn back to the ball.

If Garcon had only a step or two on his man (open in the NFL) instead of wide open because of blown coverage, that ball would have been intercepted. Griffin is still inconsistent on the deep ones.

But yeah, Garcon got his hands on it and just doofed it. His fault more than anybody's.[/quote]

The ball hit him right in his hands. There was nothing wrong with that deep ball. That was a 100% Garcon's fault.

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From Keim, interesting note on the Defense:

[quote]On the touchdown pass that capped the drive, [B]watch the eyes of the Redskins’ secondary. All on the quarterback. That’s how they’re taught to play this season as opposed to being a pattern-match team in the past (basically playing man within your zone).[/B] You still need to be aware of what’s around you, but you could see safety Duke Ihenacho staring at the quarterback, flowing with him, as receiver Travis Benjamin cut back the other way. Nobody flowed with him and once Josh McCown ran back to his right, he had a wide-open target.[/quote]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1116458]The 49ers do have many TE's available.

[url=http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/8/13/9151633/should-49ers-try-and-trade-tight-ends-to-washington]Should 49ers try and trade tight ends to Washington? - Niners Nation[/url][/quote]

Yes, they should trade a TE to the Redskins. One who can block.

From the article: "Garrett Celek is a capable blocker who can do a little something in the passing game". This guy sounds about right.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1116461]From Keim, interesting note on the Defense:[/quote]

In theory that's a strategy in the secondary that can result in more turnovers, but it's dependent on the front 7 getting pressure. If there's no pressure then you can read the QB all you want, but he'll have time to look off the defenders and find a guy wide open.

Sure enough on that play Murphy does a good job of knifing in to get initial pressure on McCown but he doesn't get home, McCown escapes, buys himself all kinds of time, looks off the secondary and finds the target for a TD.

It's more aggressive, which I like. Reading the eyes means earlier breaks on the ball and more INTs. But if there's no pressure it will mean more big plays given up, that's the part you have to live with.

Good thing we signed JUNIOR GALETTE.

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[quote=Schneed10;1116463]In theory that's a strategy in the secondary that can result in more turnovers, but it's dependent on the front 7 getting pressure. If there's no pressure then you can read the QB all you want, but he'll have time to look off the defenders and find a guy wide open.

Sure enough on that play Murphy does a good job of knifing in to get initial pressure on McCown but he doesn't get home, McCown escapes, buys himself all kinds of time, looks off the secondary and finds the target for a TD.

It's more aggressive, which I like. Reading the eyes means earlier breaks on the ball and more INTs. But if there's no pressure it will mean more big plays given up, that's the part you have to live with.

[B]Good thing we signed JUNIOR GALETTE[/B].[/quote]

Is this guy in your spank bank? Talk about a man crush you got going.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1116456]His losing confidence after an INT still puzzles me because he was great at leading late game comebacks in college. I thought he had ice in his veins. That's one of the reasons I was happy when we drafted him.

Not to get too touchy-feely but sometimes I wonder if he's being being handled the right way by Gruden.[/quote]

One thing that really jumps out at me is KC has only STARTED 9 game in his entire NFL career.
By contrast RGIII has Started 36 games in his NFL career.
KC's interceptions last season behind that same terrible pass protecting O-line that RGIII also failed behind is not a measure of KC or RGIII's ability.
I am all for giving them time to see what they can do behind a better line this year and going forward. One thing I do not want to see is forcing one as a starter because of what we invested in him. The evaluation should be fair and even. That is all I want to see. A real competition. Not a mandate from the owners box.

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Did everyone notice that RG3 was once again slightly hobbled on the one bootleg where he took a hit? He came up gimpy a bit, double hopping his steps. This guy is STILL not 100% and i just do not get it. Is he using bad mechanics because of fear? Is he favoring one leg and causing the ankle last year? I literally hold my breath every time he has the ball thinking he is seconds away from injury. Anyway, my point is he got gimped a bit again yesterday...my imagination?

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[quote=TheHolyGibbs;1116466]Did everyone notice that RG3 was once again slightly hobbled on the one bootleg where he took a hit? He came up gimpy a bit, double hopping his steps. This guy is STILL not 100% and i just do not get it. Is he using bad mechanics because of fear? Is he favoring one leg and causing the ankle last year? I literally hold my breath every time he has the ball thinking he is seconds away from injury. Anyway, my point is he got gimped a bit again yesterday...my imagination?[/quote]

Why do you care if he gets hurt? Not like a big drop off if KC comes in. Honestly at this point losing Niles hurts more then losing RGIII.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1116453]Kirk is the best QB on the team. That is, until he throws an INT and his confidence goes down the drain. Then he turns into the worst.[/quote]

Maybe he needs to see a quarterback psychiatrist. I cannot remember a guy looking so good one minute, then having a complete melt down and then looking the the worst QB to ever wear an NFL uniform.

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[quote=mredskins;1116464]Is this guy in your spank bank? Talk about a man crush you got going.[/quote]

Lol spank bank..

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I assume Silas Redd is also out for the season? Anyone know?

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Quick thoughts-

o "1st unit" defense was underwhelming but then again its not quite the first unit without Ryan and a banged up secondary...DHall didn't look ready

o Did the S make any plays...seemed nonexistent

o Browns 1st unit moved the ball with ease

o Would have liked to see Griff get more reps

o Would have liked to see Scherff and Moses get more second team reps. Scherff at RT and Moses at LT

o Kirk looked good. Playcalling was more wide open and got more reps. Again this is puzzling for me..Griffin needs the work but doesn't get the most valuable offseason reps.

o I thought we should have drafted a TE somewhere and what do you know..Murphy's law.

o Loved watching Thompson step up and stick his nose in their in pass protection

o Matt Jones has some wiggle for a big man

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1116468]Maybe he needs to see a quarterback psychiatrist. I cannot remember a guy looking so good one minute, then having a complete melt down and then looking the the worst QB to ever wear an NFL uniform.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Cavanaugh can be just as valuable on the sideline getting him right if/when he does throw an int

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1116470]I assume Silas Redd is also out for the season? Anyone know?[/quote]
Yes.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/14/washington-running-back-silas-redd-out-for-the-season-as-well/]Washington running back Silas Redd out for the season as well | ProFootballTalk[/url]

The snake bites keep coming! Oh yeah!