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Seems worthy of a new thread.

Or maybe we should just say on to the Eagles game.


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At lot of sh$t went wrong, I just don't understand if we where running the ball so well previously why would you come in with a different game plan to throw when they can't stop the run consistently.

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Listening to espn radio this morning and they are back to clowning gruden and cousins.

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Can't understand the hate on Cousins. Yes i know he is a 4th year player, but this is his first and only season where he has began the year as the starter, gotten all the 1st team reps, etc.. If we are to be fair in his assesment, you have to at least give him one full season as being the starter, maybe even more, before moving on.

How many seasons did Jason Campbell get? 4 seasons? RG3 got three seasons. Cousins needs to at least get two seasons as starter under his belt before we can really judge him, IMO

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1122938]At lot of sh$t went wrong, I just don't understand if we where running the ball so well previously why would you come in with a different game plan to throw when they can't stop the run consistently.[/quote]

Everyone acts like we're the old Nebraska teams and can just roll up and run for 200 every week. The Giants were sitting on the run all night long. Did you watch the game? They were hitting our back before they got to the line. When teams do that you have to try and pass the ball. Have to loosen up the defense and hit a few big pass plays. I had 0 issues with play calling.

Did you expect us to run for 200 against 8 man fronts? SMH.

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Last year's team would have folded after the 1st quarter and would not have scored 10 points. It was a short week and I kind of expected a let down but to me they never gave up. The key will be how they bounce back vs Philly.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1122942]Can't understand the hate on Cousins. Yes i know he is a 4th year player, but this is his first and only season where he has began the year as the starter, gotten all the 1st team reps, etc.. If we are to be fair in his assesment, you have to at least give him one full season as being the starter, maybe even more, before moving on.

How many seasons did Jason Campbell get? 4 seasons? RG3 got three seasons. Cousins needs to at least get two seasons as starter under his belt before we can really judge him, IMO[/quote]

After this year he would have basically two full seasons. I think that would be plenty of information for the coaches and front office to make a decision.

I still think the QB that will bring the franchise back is not currently on the roster.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1122942]Can't understand the hate on Cousins. Yes i know he is a 4th year player, but this is his first and only season where he has began the year as the starter, gotten all the 1st team reps, etc.. If we are to be fair in his assesment, you have to at least give him one full season as being the starter, maybe even more, before moving on.

How many seasons did Jason Campbell get? 4 seasons? RG3 got three seasons. Cousins needs to at least get two seasons as starter under his belt before we can really judge him, IMO[/quote]

This...

Fans panic, smart organizations realize this and don't panic.

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I am not panicking. I am also not going to let a 4th year QB who made bad decisions and was off all night on many throws off the hook. I didn't expect to win that game. I didn't have any problem with the play calling. As someone else said, the Giants stacked the box forcing Cousins to beat them, he could not.

Losing Hall was big too, as Breeland was exposed again by Beckham and the other receivers.

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Major feeling is one of disappointment rather than anger or despair.

Kirk wasn't sharp, couldn't get the run going and lots of mistakes across the board.

Just one of those nights.

On a positive note, I didn't see any heads drop and we kept competing right to the end.

I'm looking forward to the Eagles game.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1122957]I am not panicking. I am also not going to let a 4th year QB who made bad decisions and was off all night on many throws off the hook. I didn't expect to win that game. I didn't have any problem with the play calling. As someone else said, the Giants stacked the box forcing Cousins to beat them, he could not.

Losing Hall was big too, as Breeland was exposed again by Beckham and the other receivers.[/quote]

I agree that KC wasn't sharp but his receivers didn't help him much either. Sometimes WRs cover for a QB when he is off but that didn't happen for KC last night.

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;1122938]At lot of sh$t went wrong, I just don't understand if we where running the ball so well previously why would you come in with a different game plan to throw when they can't stop the run consistently.[/QUOTE]


Well the Giants have stopped the run. They havent faced any good run teams in weeks one or two but that doesnt mean we were going to run all over them. Though it was the hope. They bottled us up pretty nicely. Plus their pass d was dead last, and we had wide open receivers all night long.

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I think we are a few pieces away from being at that next level. C, DB, DE, QB. Cousins if he plays very very smart can win with this team this year though.

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We lack quality depth across all units except the DLine and we don't have a true speed rusher there.

When Lavau went out McRib played a hot minute and then Compton came in. When you aren't even sure who your back up is . . .

Hall has been slow coming back to the ball in every game but has made some wiley veteran moves to compensate. I really expected Breeland to play better.

New guy gives up punt block on special teams.

Understand now why Carrier wasn't on a team when we signed him.

Depth, depth, depth, depth.

Kirk has something in his head that just won't let him throw the ball out of bounds on a scramble. He did it a couple of times but it seemed like it was sooooo hard for him.

Trent Williams looked dominate again. He just makes it look so freakin easy.

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Fuckin clown show

First, how many pick plays with Reed have penalties have we run? Y does gruden continue to run them if it will back us up?

Why did we pass 4 out of the 5 first play? One we for a penalty and the other was for a terrible cousins throw.

The blocked punt was a joke. The fact the special teams coach puts him there to get beat twice is a fire able offense.

Gruden/cousins can go. He is a weak coach. Cousins missed easy throws and threw 2 horrific TERRIBLE Ints. Aside from the kickoff and a garbage time td.

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the game went like i thought it might..the stuff that bothered me was the blocked punt..that was pathetic blocking! you can say what you want But every bounce went the giants way..breeland was in good position on several of those td catches it was almost like nothing was gonna go the skins way..how about the onside kicks..they misplayed both and still we could not get a break..Jones fumbles crossing the goal ..it was hard to watch! The Skins fought ..bottom line is simple,We are not good enough to give away anything and we need to take advantage of every blunder the other team makes. last night the opposite happened.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1122963]We lack quality depth across all units except the DLine and we don't have a true speed rusher there.



When Lavau went out McRib played a hot minute and then Compton came in. When you aren't even sure who your back up is . . .



Hall has been slow coming back to the ball in every game but has made some wiley veteran moves to compensate. I really expected Breeland to play better.



New guy gives up punt block on special teams.



Understand now why Carrier wasn't on a team when we signed him.



Depth, depth, depth, depth.



Kirk has something in his head that just won't let him throw the ball out of bounds on a scramble. He did it a couple of times but it seemed like it was sooooo hard for him.



Trent Williams looked dominate again. He just makes it look so freakin easy.[/QUOTE]


Correct but we have more depth than we did last year believe it or not. We are headed in the rite direction. Even bad losses feel different. There was no quit last night. Heading into week five we will be tied for first place and everything will be glorious in the world like it was this past week. Amazing how all the good feeling about what SM has done in one offseason becomes so meaningless so fast. We caught a ton of bad breaks last night and Cousins had a bad night. We needed every break to go our way with him playing like that and they all went the Gints way. A few bad calls, an onsides kick that we didn't capitalize on. A couple fumbles that bounced their way. Game of inches people. This was not a quit.

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Last night I was a bit upset about how they played. Didnt look prepared. Had everything go against them. Kirk was way off. But I have to admit, we have seen that from this team in the past, and they rolled over and quit. Even on a night where nothing went right, they played hard. Kept getting up and going back at it. Had you told me that we would have a blocked punt for a safety, Kirk throws several ints, Eli throws for 2 TDs and no ints, plus some of the other stuff that happened, I would have assumed a 30+ point loss.

I went into this season expecting 6 wins. I still think thats about what we will get, but I wanted to see improvement. I wanted to see a team that had some pride. After sleeping on it, I saw what I have been wanting to see. Improvement and never quitting.

It starts somewhere, and for the first time in a while, Im seeing a team that is making improvement. I am one that jumped the gun after the rams game. But its getting better, and I can honestly say that I have faith that McC can continue to get the talent needed. This is the first time I have had a lot of faith in the GM to do the right thing. We are no longer being treated as a fantasy football team. Its not happening overnight, but it was never going to. I dont want a flash in the pan, I want a consistent team that cares. I think we are on the right path for the first time in decades.

We are just at the beginning of that path, and it sucks. But as the old saying goes... "A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step".

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1122964]Fuckin clown show



First, how many pick plays with Reed have penalties have we run? Y does gruden continue to run them if it will back us up?



Why did we pass 4 out of the 5 first play? One we for a penalty and the other was for a terrible cousins throw.



The blocked punt was a joke. The fact the special teams coach puts him there to get beat twice is a fire able offense.



Gruden/cousins can go. He is a weak coach. Cousins missed easy throws and threw 2 horrific TERRIBLE Ints. Aside from the kickoff and a garbage time td.[/QUOTE]


If Gruden had a qb last night he would be a genius. He just needs the pieces and SM will get them there. Patience.

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[B][SIZE="3"]Good:[/SIZE][/B]
[LIST][*]Ross with the return TD[/LIST]

[B][SIZE="3"]Bad:[/SIZE][/B]
[LIST][*]Kirk Cousins sucked balls[*]Dropped passes and fumbles sucked balls[*]Play calling and coaching staff sucked balls[*]Defense pass rush was non existent and sucked balls[*]Defensive secondary sucked balls[*]Defensive take-a-ways sucked balls[*]Special teams overall sucks balls[*]Leribust sucked balls[*]Matt Jones with 2 fumbles in 2 games. Sucked balls[/LIST]


Jay didn't have these guys ready and his game plan was absolutely atrocious. Fuck everything about this game.

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[quote=punch it in;1122968]If Gruden had a qb last night he would be a genius. He just needs the pieces and SM will get them there. Patience.[/quote]

The team was not ready to play and gruden offense game plan was terrible. He couldn't lead a lead team that had growing momentum the first 2 game...as a coach that's part of he job.

The team from the first 2 games were similar, had the same qualities and traits. Lots of positives and how we want the our team to play. Last night, that wasn't that team. Unprepared and weren't put in positions to win with a Giants team we are very familiar with.

I think this matters a lot. The blocked punt and Plummer being allowed twice to get beat was unacceptable, that play threw everything off. We never recovered.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1122969][B][SIZE="3"]Good:[/SIZE][/B]


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[*]Ross with the return TD
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[B][SIZE="3"]Bad:[/SIZE][/B]


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[*]Kirk Cousins sucked balls
[*]Play calling and coaching staff sucked balls
[*]Defense pass rush was non existent and sucked balls
[*]Defensive secondary sucked balls
[*]Special teams overall sucks balls
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Jay didn't have these guys ready and his game plan was absolutely atrocious. Fuck everything about this game.[/QUOTE]


Man I dont get it? The gameplan was to throw on the leagues worst pass defense. The pass pro last night and time KC had was better than anything ive seen for years? Its not Grudens fault that Cousins missed all night? Its not Grudens fault that every break went the gints way? Last night Cousins did not execute. It is that simple.

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[quote=punch it in;1122972]Man I dont get it? The gameplan was to throw on the leagues worst pass defense. The pass pro last night and time KC had was better than anything ive seen for years? Its not Grudens fault that Cousins missed all night? Its not Grudens fault that every break went the gints way? Last night Cousins did not execute. It is that simple.[/quote]

Eight in the box with a 3 WR set says the Giants didn't respect Kirk's game one bit, which is why there needed to be a better game plan than him throwing the fucking ball 50 times.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1122957]I am not panicking. I am also not going to let a 4th year QB who made bad decisions and was off all night on many throws off the hook. I didn't expect to win that game. I didn't have any problem with the play calling. As someone else said, the Giants stacked the box forcing Cousins to beat them, he could not.

Losing Hall was big too, as Breeland was exposed again by Beckham and the other receivers.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Kirk is what he is, if he has a run game like the rams game he's good if he's got to pass to win games he can't it's been proven now. I get he's only started so many games but look at his numbers he's a turnover machine, he had 2 other passes last night that should have been picked off. . As I said before if we win 7 games that's a good season.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1122973]Eight in the box with a 3 WR set says the Giants didn't respect Kirk's game one bit, which is why there needed to be a better game plan than him throwing the fucking ball 50 times.



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That was with 9 minutes left down 25-6. At that point of course they did not respect him. What happened on that play ? I forget?
Also how many of those throws were in garbage time, down by two or three scores? 20? I want sure if the giants had not faced any rb's this year or they did actually have a good run d. They bottled up our mojo pretty good. Early in the game the throws were there NC. Cousins missed? Nothing Gruden can do about that.

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I fully understand we're not world beaters yet, but getting embarrassed like that is what makes me truly worried that we'll never break this curse or whatever we have going on. I got home late to turn it on and watch Matt Jones fumble out of the FREAKING END ZONE. How often does that happen!?! Argh. On to week four...

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[quote=punch it in;1122975]That was with 9 minutes left down 25-6. At that point of course they did not respect him. What happened on that play ? I forget?
Also how many of those throws were in garbage time, down by two or three scores? 20? I want sure if the giants had not faced any rb's this year or they did actually have a good run d. They bottled up our mojo pretty good. Early in the game the throws were there NC. Cousins missed? Nothing Gruden can do about that.[/quote]


I assure you, I blame Kirk a lot more than I do the game plan. Even the defensive game plan was bad. Got absolutely no rush on Eli.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1122974]Exactly. Kirk is what he is, if he has a run game like the rams game he's good if he's got to pass to win games he can't it's been proven now. I get he's only started so many games but look at his numbers he's a turnover machine, he had 2 other passes last night that should have been picked off. . As I said before if we win 7 games that's a good season.[/QUOTE]


Eli was a turnover machine too. He had a great defense and some big time playmakers at wr. And a good oline.
We have a better oline now, we have a better d now. Still not where they need to be to compensate for the int's. We also need djax back desperately. This is basically week three of who we are. Its only going to get better because of SM. Maybe KC will adapt and stick around, or maybe he wont but rest assured he is making us a team.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1122977]I assure you, I blame Kirk a lot more than I do the game plan. Even the defensive game plan was bad. Got absolutely no rush on Eli.[/QUOTE]


Oh we need an edge rusher sooooo bad.
Edit: and scotty will get one.

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[quote=punch it in;1122972]Man I dont get it? The gameplan was to throw on the leagues worst pass defense. The pass pro last night and time KC had was better than anything ive seen for years? Its not Grudens fault that Cousins missed all night? Its not Grudens fault that every break went the gints way? Last night Cousins did not execute. It is that simple.[/quote]

The gameplan with cousins should never and I mean NEVER be come out with a volume throwing pass offense. How come I know this, but Jay doesn't. Folks on the road, we need to do what we do best and let the a shaky passer let th game come to him. U don't try to win the game in the first quarter.

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Penalties killed many key drives and yes, Kirk did make at least 2 or bad decisions. It didn't help that fell in the hole early 9-0 and had to play catch up and the Giants were stopping our running game. Just a bad night from the very beginning with the ball bouncing in NY favor in just about every play. They will get their shit together. We could have scored on Jones fumble and Reed in the corner.

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[quote=irish;1122959]I agree that KC wasn't sharp but his receivers didn't help him much either. Sometimes WRs cover for a QB when he is off but that didn't happen for KC last night.[/quote]

Really!! This guy had time, guys wide open, simple pass plays. Most of his throws wasn't into a tight window, they was one on one throws. Guys picking up blitzes and this guy throwing off back foot or throwing into coverage. Hell, a few of his completions was save by good catches!!!

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Sm will get us on a winning track it does take time it's just how long is the question

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1122983]Sm will get us on a winning track it does take time it's just how long is the question[/quote]

Really excited who is finds at qb in the draft

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Who are the top ranked college qbs? Cook and the kid from cal?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1122980]The gameplan with cousins should never and I mean NEVER be come out with a volume throwing pass offense. How come I know this, but Jay doesn't. Folks on the road, we need to do what we do best and let the a shaky passer let th game come to him. U don't try to win the game in the first quarter.[/QUOTE]


Giants have a good run d. They bottled us up nicely. Including that third and one which was huge. Its not like its Beck back there. Yes Kirk had a horrible game. Probably his worse one ever considering the time he had and open wr's he missed. Im sure Gruden was /is as frustrated as us but thats our qb.
You have to take what the d gives u and than execute. Maybe the gameplan was to run but Jay noticed how open the passes were and the Gints were stuffing us? Maybe it was an in game adjustment that we are always clamoring for?

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It just seems like kirk has a weak arm to me, the reed pass would have been a td if he put more on it and there was a few more underthrown passes.

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Positive- I felt the o-line gave ample time to KC to pass

Negatives-Lack of resiliency. We get a 33 yard pass called back on a penalty go out on downs and give up a safety. The Giants? They get a holding penalty that takes them out of field goal range the next play they get 18 yards and eventually get 3 pts on that drive.

No pass rush from D

KC underthrowing open receivers

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[quote=punch it in;1122986]Giants have a good run d. They bottled us up nicely. Including that third and one which was huge. Its not like its Beck back there. Yes Kirk had a horrible game. Probably his worse one ever considering the time he had and open wr's he missed. Im sure Gruden was /is as frustrated as us but thats our qb.
You have to take what the d gives u and than execute. Maybe the gameplan was to run but Jay noticed how open the passes were and the Gints were stuffing us? Maybe it was an in game adjustment that we are always clamoring for?[/quote]

Ok if that's truth, don't ssy Kirk battled. Don't say no one played goo, say Kirk didn't make enough plays!! This guy is fake and players beginning to see this!! He calls out some, don't call out others, back stabs some to the media, praise some for below average games. Just be real and fair toward all players!!

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We are who we thought we were. Same goes for KC.

Didn't watch most of the game b/c of "life happening" events, but got the flavor. Not sure if its been discussed but, from what I saw, RGIII loses that game as well.

DB's still have issues.
Offense doesn't have the QB of the future on the roster.
Offense, as currently configured, is a one trick pony.
Team just didn't seem to have the fire it needed to start out of the blocks fast. Had a chance to make a real positive statement and failed miserably.

Coaching was sub-par.