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Alfred Morris is one of the only consistent bright spots on this team drafted in 2012, a fan favorite, humble hard worker and great teammate. He's never missed a game since being drafted and has put up some very good stats behind below average offensive lines and limited talent surrounding him:

2012 - 1613 rushing yards 13 tds

2013 - 1275 rushing yards 7 tds

2014- 1074 rushing yards 8 tds

Week 1 against Miami, he rushed for 121 yards. Very likeabale down to earth guy who has his head on straight.

The Redskins still have not paid Morris his worth as he's still playing on his rookie deal.

What really pissed me off is last night, Gruden had Morris coming off the bench behind Matt Jones, a rookie who had 1 good game against the Rams and who has fumbled in both games. Is this how you show appreciation for a guy who has been carrying this team the past three years without a complaint, has given his heart and soul to this team, 6 carries coming off the bench behind a rookie who has not proved anything? And knowing this is a contract year where he's due to get paid? Would the Seahawks do this to Lynch? The Vikings to Peterson?

I think Morris deserves better and the Redskins may be pissing off one of the only good homegrown guys we have. C'mon, do right by him. The players who get busted for pot and other legal issues (Trent) get taken care of no matter what. Do right by Alfred. Play him and pay him.

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I think Gruden was trying to go with the hot hand. But Jones had 11 carries to Alfmos 6. He's gotta make it more 50/50. Jones having the hot hand or not, Alfmos carried this team for years. He's earned the right to get his fair share of handoffs.

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This is why I think he gave Jones the carries last night. Yes Jones was the hot hand, BUT in my opinion last night the Giants were pushing us around on the Oline in the run game due to having 8 men in the box. Jones offers a better initial burst to try and get through those extra bodies.

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He is making 1.5 mil this year. It is no longer a running back oriented league. If we can get a rookie to do what Alfred did but save against the cap for other areas of need I say do it. I like Alfred but he is going to command bigger bucks in the upcoming FA

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If Jones keeps fumbling every game...

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Have you been watching the games? Alfred has been tentative coming through the hole the last few games, Jones is much more explosive through the hole.

Fumbles are a problem though. After last night that's two on Jonesy. Alfred needs to run with more authority and Jones needs to hold onto it.

No problem with Jones taking over. Absent the fumbles he's been by far the better runner.

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Honestly I'm the biggest alf fan but Matt jones has big time talent at the RB position he's already being compared to guys like lynch. Alf will be fine he'll get his yards

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1123037]He is making 1.5 mil this year. It is no longer a running back oriented league. If we can get a rookie to do what Alfred did but save against the cap for other areas of need I say do it. I like Alfred but he is going to command bigger bucks in the upcoming FA[/quote]

Absolutely. Its a passing league now and the big $ goes toward important players related to that on O and D.

AM has also had fumbling problems in his past but I think the tide has turned and this staff likes the young guy better.

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FYI, there's no loyalty in the NFL. Gruden or SM did not draft Morris so therefore they really have no loyalty to him at all.

I think Gruden wants a guy who has more breakaway speed, can catch the ball out of the backfield and can pass protect. It's a cold business.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1123056][B]FYI, there's no loyalty in the NFL. Gruden or SM did not draft Morris so therefore they really have no loyalty to him at all.[/B]

I think Gruden wants a guy who has more breakaway speed, can catch the ball out of the backfield and can pass protect. It's a cold business.[/quote]

This is the exact reason why I don't think the QBs currently on the roster matter. McCloughan didn't draft Cousins or RG3 and doesn't have any loyalties to them.

By the way, if things start to fall apart even more, I would call Indy and ask if they'd want to trade for Morris. Frank Gore looks old and they have no one else in that backfield.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1123061]This is the exact reason why I don't think the QBs currently on the roster matter. McCloughan didn't draft Cousins or RG3 and doesn't have any loyalties to them.

By the way, if things start to fall apart even more, I would call Indy and ask if they'd want to trade for Morris. Frank Gore looks old and they have no one else in that backfield.[/quote]

I would agree. They have no loyalty to either QB. However they determined that KC was the best of the group and are rolling with him this season. When the season is over, I would expect them to draft someone, regardless of how good or bad KC plays.

If Morris is traded then so be it. It would really suck cause I love the guy but that's the cold reality of the NFL.

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Jones is a better runner for this offensive scheme- and he can pass catch. Last night's fumble was a pretty good play by the defender, so as mad as I was at the time (I've got him in all of my fantasy leagues too) I give him a pass.

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I've always loved Alfmo but we dont owe him anything and no one is jerking him around.
Hes been getting his paychecks.
Hes been a damn good Redskin but thru some very lackluster years.
I like having the one/two punch in the backfield and I hope we keep it if we can afford it.

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Dallas would love to get Morris for next year:(

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There seems to be an organizational effort to phase Alf out.

I agree with OP, not out of loyalty but Alf ability to run through contact is useful in games like last night.
Overall they got away from the running game.

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I'd trade Morris. I don't want him back on this team next year. For who? For what?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1123088]I'd trade Morris. I don't want him back on this team next year. For who? For what?[/quote]

Draft picks IMO.

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Matt Jones has "breakaway speed" and the ball "breaks away from his body" as well. You can't turn the ball over and win games. Yes I'm talking to you Cousins, you Jones, and almost you Garcon. Oh, and our Special Teams is Special "needs" Teams. The most inept group of players I have ever seen. Do they even have Special Teams meetings during the week? I think high school teams are better at it than the Redskins. Yes Ross had a 101 kickoff return, which was nice, but seriously guys, please spend at least an hour this week on Special Teams. It looks like they don't spend any time on it.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;1123064]Jones is a better runner for this offensive scheme- and he can pass catch. Last night's fumble was a pretty good play by the defender, so as mad as I was at the time (I've got him in all of my fantasy leagues too) I give him a pass.[/QUOTE]
I agree except about the defender causing the fumble. From the views I saw no defender actually touched the ball. Hopefully he gets that fixed.

As for Morris, as others have said- that's just how the NFL is with runners.

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I like Alfmo and I like the one-two punch we get from these guys. But what I like even better is winning. If we get a good enough offer that would help this team....Thanks Alfmo. You did a good job when we gave you a chance. Now go to the AFC and kick some ass!

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[FONT="Century Gothic"][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Morris’ competition for snaps is more with Matt Jones, who saw 26 snaps, compared to Morris’ 12. It was especially telling that Morris was never on the field for more than two consecutive plays, while there were six times where Jones had three or more consecutive snaps.

Through three games, Morris has graded out better than Jones by a small amount, in large part because of Jones’ two fumbles. Had it not been for those mishaps, Jones would have a slight lead in the grades.

It’s very likely that Morris and Jones will continue to split time, without one ever taking the full role; the reason being that they excel in different areas. [B][SIZE="5"][I]Morris is great at running between the tackles, where he has 5.2 yards per carry[/I][/SIZE][/B]. When Morris has tried running outside of the tackles, his average drops to 2.9.

Jones is the opposite, with 7.1 yards per carry outside the tackles, and 3.0 between them. If these splits continue, it makes a lot of sense to utilize the strengths of both backs. If that’s the case, and Washington is losing more, than their winning, Morris will continue to see less than one-fourth of the team’s snaps.

On one hand, it’s disappointing that we may never see Morris play as well as he once did. On the other hand, these two players can become something Washington can build around. With better run-blocking, the team can be more successful early in games, which means they can also run more late in games. Morris and Jones have the potential to be a great one-two punch, if the players around them step up.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/25/alfred-morris-snap-count-declining-for-right-reasons/[/url]

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[quote=VirgilTibbs;1123028]Alfred Morris is one of the only consistent bright spots on this team drafted in 2012, a fan favorite, humble hard worker and great teammate. He's never missed a game since being drafted and has put up some very good stats behind below average offensive lines and limited talent surrounding him:

2012 - 1613 rushing yards 13 tds

2013 - 1275 rushing yards 7 tds

2014- 1074 rushing yards 8 tds

Week 1 against Miami, he rushed for 121 yards. Very likeabale down to earth guy who has his head on straight.

The Redskins still have not paid Morris his worth as he's still playing on his rookie deal.

What really pissed me off is last night, Gruden had Morris coming off the bench behind Matt Jones, a rookie who had 1 good game against the Rams and who has fumbled in both games. Is this how you show appreciation for a guy who has been carrying this team the past three years without a complaint, has given his heart and soul to this team, 6 carries coming off the bench behind a rookie who has not proved anything? And knowing this is a contract year where he's due to get paid? Would the Seahawks do this to Lynch? The Vikings to Peterson?

I think Morris deserves better and the Redskins may be pissing off one of the only good homegrown guys we have. C'mon, do right by him. The players who get busted for pot and other legal issues (Trent) get taken care of no matter what. Do right by Alfred. Play him and pay him.[/quote]

Agree 100% with my heart. Logic and common sense, however are totally different under the current CBA.

Running back is a position in the current NFL that a team shouldn't invest a lot of money or sign a long term contract.

These guys are going through an interstate caliber car crash every Sunday for 16 weeks and simply won't last as long as players at other positions.

I would really like to see running backs treated differently in the next CBA.

Unfortunately, as mentioned by other posters in this thread, the smart thing is to trade him when he is a peak value for picks.

I hate typing this actually. Makes me feel bad.

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I have to agree IF we could get a good draft pick i would do it..also Do you guys think Roberts is a good WR ? to me he should not be on the field..

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I love Alfred Morris as a player and as a locker room guy. But.. RB's drop off fast. I'd have a hard time committing to him long term if the price was much more. He has taken a beating and has lost a step. I want him on the roster and I'd love to see him retire as a Redskin but paying him big money does nothing but limit the team. Give him a frontloaded 6 year contract with some of the cap space we have left in 2015 and let him stay a Redskin but I don't see him as a 1500 yard back anymore.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1123088]I'd trade Morris. I don't want him back on this team next year. For who? For what?[/QUOTE]

Why you be hating on AlfMo??

Seriously ... Why would want to get rid of AlfMo? Or was did I miss the sarcasm font?

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[quote=RedskinJake;1123119]I love Alfred Morris as a player and as a locker room guy. But.. RB's drop off fast. I'd have a hard time committing to him long term if the price was much more. He has taken a beating and has lost a step. I want him on the roster and I'd love to see him retire as a Redskin but paying him big money does nothing but limit the team. Give him a frontloaded 6 year contract with some of the cap space we have left in 2015 and let him stay a Redskin but I don't see him as a 1500 yard back anymore.[/quote]

I think he looks about the same as he usually does. He's not going to be a 1500 yard back when he's splitting handoffs, but he definitely hasn't hit the apex of his career! Morris isn't a burner, he's a power running back. Think Frank Gore (in his prime). If you put him and Jones out there, Jones will outrun him every time. If you tell Morris to bounce outside without adequate blocking, he's most likely going to get caught in the backfield or with minimal yards. If you tell Morris run north-south through this tiny hole, he'll most likely knock dudes on their butt and carry 2 guys on his back for 5-6 yards.

Morris has only been in the league 4 years, he definitely has at least 2-3 more good years in him, before going on the downslope, barring any sort of major injuries.

I just feel like as long as he's on the team, he should be getting carries because it's not like he's incapable or doing a worse job than Jones. I feel an allegiance to Morris cuz he's always been a team player workhorse. But if we're moving away from a north-south ground and pound to a more east-west power toss here and there kind of running team, Jones is just more cut out for that.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1123120]Why you be hating on AlfMo??

Seriously ... Why would want to get rid of AlfMo? Or was did I miss the sarcasm font?[/quote]

He's not going to be here after this season anyways so why not get something in return for him? It should be obvious to anybody watching that Jones talent far exceeds that of Morris in both the running and passing game. It would be different if Morris had time left on his contract, but this is his final year and we aren't going to re-sign him.


Personally, I scoffed at this thread and the notion that Alfred is being done wrong....lol

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I don't trade morris in fact I'd keep him a few more years

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1123126]I don't trade morris in fact I'd keep him a few more years[/QUOTE]
Ok. What contract do you give him? Top RB dollars? Over how many years?

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I'd day 3 yrs 12 m is fair for him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1123130]I'd day 3 yrs 12 m is fair for him[/quote]

fair enough, that is about 9th-14th RB with the top 8 shooting up from $7Mil/yr to AP's $14Mill. I wouldn't be opposed to offering that and seeing if Alf stays around or if he wants to push the market. But if you did get a solid draft pick offered as trade, then I'd take that.

I wonder if any team would be interested in an RG3 and AlfMo combo trade?

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Idk I just don't see anyone wanting griffin lol sad to say but apparently there isn't many teams willing to pull that trigger on him. I hope alf stays he's a leader and a team player i just see Matt jones as a top 3 back in a season or 2.

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[quote=scowan;1123091]Matt Jones has "breakaway speed" and the ball "breaks away from his body" as well. You can't turn the ball over and win games. Yes I'm talking to you Cousins, you Jones, and almost you Garcon. [B]Oh, and our Special Teams is Special "needs" Teams. The most inept group of players I have ever seen. Do they even have Special Teams meetings during the week? [/B] I think high school teams are better at it than the Redskins. Yes Ross had a 101 kickoff return, which was nice, but seriously guys, please spend at least an hour this week on Special Teams. It looks like they don't spend any time on it.[/quote]

From what I see the special teams problems are more getting beat from a physical stand point than mental mistakes from lack of proper preparation.
They either have the wrong group out there or not enough depth to put together competent units without using starters.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1123131]fair enough, that is about 9th-14th RB with the top 8 shooting up from $7Mil/yr to AP's $14Mill. I wouldn't be opposed to offering that and seeing if Alf stays around or if he wants to push the market. But if you did get a solid draft pick offered as trade, then I'd take that.

I wonder if any team would be interested in an RG3 and AlfMo combo trade?[/quote]

I'd rather see something like 5yr/15mil with 5mil counting against the 2015 cap.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1123130]I'd day 3 yrs 12 m is fair for him[/quote]

:laughing2



Not going to happen. The fact they haven't even offered to extend him should tell you something. Notice they got deals done with Trent and Ryan, but you haven't heard a peep about Alfred. They aren't going to pay him with the emergence/drafting of Jones. Put your fandom aside and look at the facts. Alfred Morris has been propped up mostly by RG3's ability to run. If you ever go back and look at the games RG3 was out, you'll notice the numbers on Morris went down. Even now, you can see him timid about hitting the holes instead of bursting through there like Jones.

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Oh I know jones is the guy and I'm fine with that he's going to be a monster. And I know they won't keep alf I was just saying it'd be nice.

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if alf is cheap enough i imagine they'd keep him. if he's not, RBs are one of the most replaceable positions. he's played well for us and does everything pretty well, he just doesn't have break away speed - never has, never will.

i'd rather keep both, as spliting carries/stats should lower their market value, give us injury insurance, and keep both of them playing longer. gibbs kinda wore portis out with the 35 carries a game. it's hard to run that much year after year and not end up with a body that's worn out.

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Morris is a still a good football player. Not sure this team is in a position to be letting good players walk out the door. But the fact that they haven't even tried to get a long term deal done pretty much says it all. Maybe he can go to Atlanta with Kyle.

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Running backs have become a commodity in the NFL. They take such beatings that they don't last long. Paying big dollars on a second contract for a RB who is not truly elite is not something teams want to do.

As for not starting Alfred in game three, well, I would have started him as a token of respect. Nevertheless, the NFL is the closest to a meritocracy as there is when it comes to players. For the most part, the best players play. It was looking like Matt Jones may have surpassed Alfmo, but Matt's fumbles tell us that he hasn't done so yet. Still, I was shocked when Alfred didn't start.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1123153]Morris is a still a good football player. Not sure this team is in a position to be letting good players walk out the door. But the fact that they haven't even tried to get a long term deal done pretty much says it all. Maybe he can go to Atlanta with Kyle.[/quote]

They desperately need a RB out in Indy.