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Welp, Ill say this...I worried more about going to the Giants than going down to Atlanta to play. This is a winnable game imo

We need to do the obvious...run the ball. Lets just say this is an every game must do.

But more importantly imo, get pressure with our front four, mix in some Jarrett from the slot blitz and K Robinson/Goldson up the middle blitz. I think we need to be aggressive on the Matty Ice attack. Culliver is injuried and we need the ball to come out quick rather than what we saw last week where Bradford had time to throw it deep.

I think we can stop the run.

If somehow D Jax plays, this could be the game changer on offense. I expect Reed to be out, but DJax back is a bigger deal. Atlanta has given up some yards through the air.

We need to be able to take a punch in the first quarter...I expect the Falcons to be ready to attack...and respond with physical play.

We cant have the penalties on the road, that is something we cant overcome against a good team...beating ourselves.

HTTmuthereffingR!

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Redskins receiver DeSean Jackson is going through individual drills for the first time since hurting his hamstring in the season opener. Tight end Jordan Resd is not practicing. He suffered a concussion against the Eagles.

Redskins corner Chris Culliver is not at practice today. He played with a sore left knee against the Eagles. We'll get an update on his status after practice.

- per John Keim

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great news about Desean. for culliver, if it is just inflammation, i imagine he will be playing sunday as long as he rests it, gets the staff to work it out and doesnt suffer a set back.

i wish this was our bye week.

wouldnt be rushing desean back, culliver gets rest, perhaps riley comes back. long shot on reed.

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Falcons receivers are killing it lately.
I doubt our secondary can go toe to toe with them.
That means we have to knock Matt Ryans dick in the dirt....repeatedly.

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Hankerson is having a nice year. Figures, he leaves the Redskins and becomes the player we needed him to be elsewhere.

W/out Reed and Jackson I just don't see how we can score enough to beat Atlanta. I think they're very beatable with those two guys, much tougher w/out them.

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The Falcons have one of the worst defenses in the league. This is a winnable game if we can get out ahead early and not have to play from behind. If the falcons jump ahead by 10 at any point, I think we're done. Their passing offense is way too good and our pass def is struggling. I think our secondary is playing better than their talent level but with Culliver hurt, this is going to be a lot to ask of them.

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Captain Obvious says

I expect us to lose :(. If we win, then I will be very happy.

and I agree with him

That said. We should be able to win this game if we control the ball, and we force them to beat us with someone other than Julio Jones.

I thought I heard that Atlanta had the 28th ranked defense. They do. BUT that is misleading. They have the 30th ranked passing defense, but the 5th ranked Rushing defense. Which means this game sets up much like the Giants game - not a good thing. We may end up passing to set up the run, not vice versa. Most people will probably kill Gruden after the loss (blame capt obvious) for not running it down their throats, or going away from the run but the fact is that their run defense is in fact similar statistically to ours:
att att/g yds avg avg/g TD Long
80 20.0 312 3.9 78.0 1 30
77 19.2 341 4.4 85.2 7 37T

ours is the first line.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1124450]Captain Obvious says

I expect us to lose :(. If we win, then I will be very happy.

and I agree with him

That said. We should be able to win this game if we control the ball, and we force them to beat us with someone other than Julio Jones.

I thought I heard that Atlanta had the 28th ranked defense. They do. BUT that is misleading. They have the 30th ranked passing defense, but the 5th ranked Rushing defense. Which means this game sets up much like the Giants game - not a good thing. We may end up passing to set up the run, not vice versa. Most people will probably kill Gruden after the loss (blame capt obvious) for not running it down their throats, or going away from the run but the fact is that their run defense is in fact similar statistically to ours:
att att/g yds avg avg/g TD Long
80 20.0 312 3.9 78.0 1 30
77 19.2 341 4.4 85.2 7 37T

ours is the first line.[/quote]

Actually the Falcons run def is among the worst in the league giving up 4.4 yards a carry. Philly and the Giants both were only giving up around 3 yards per carry coming into our games. We should be able to move the ball Sunday. We just need to play keep away. If they only have the ball for 20 minutes, that will give us a pretty damn good chance.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1124452]Actually the Falcons run def is among the worst in the league giving up 4.4 yards a carry. Philly and the Giants both were only giving up around 3 yards per carry coming into our games. We should be able to move the ball Sunday. We just need to play keep away. If they only have the ball for 20 minutes, that will give us a pretty damn good chance.[/quote]

I suppose it's how you want to look at the stats. on a rushing yds per game basis, they give up 85 yards, which ranks them 5th. For comparison, we give up 78 yards per game, which ranks us 2nd.

On a points per game, we rank 10th at 19.8pts they rank 15th at 23.2pts.

If you are looking at a per carry average they are about the same as the Rams, 4.3 for the Rams, 4.4 for the Falcons.

As always, stats don't tell all the details, just perspective. I think saying they have the 28th ranked defense hides some of their rushing defense success.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1124454]I suppose it's how you want to look at the stats. on a rushing yds per game basis, they give up 85 yards, which ranks them 5th. For comparison, we give up 78 yards per game, which ranks us 2nd.

On a points per game, we rank 10th at 19.8pts they rank 15th at 23.2pts.

If you are looking at a per carry average they are about the same as the Rams, 4.3 for the Rams, 4.4 for the Falcons.

As always, stats don't tell all the details, just perspective. I think saying they have the 28th ranked defense hides some of their rushing defense success.[/quote]

To me I always look at yards per carry.. I think the Falcons haven't given up too many total rushing yards largely because their passing defense is so bad there's no point in rushing against them and their passing offense is so good that everyone ends up playing from behind most of the game and can't commit to the run.

We should be able to move the ball more like the Rams and Dolphins games. If Kirk is on point then the offense should look terrific. In this game, our offense might actually be our best defense.

Of course, injuries will play a factor as well..

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Could very well be a trap game for the Falcons. You just KNOW their fans are already overlooking us.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1124456]Could very well be a trap game for the Falcons. You just KNOW their fans are already overlooking us.

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Falcons fans sound just like the Dolphins fans did.. expecting 3 TD win margins.. I hope this is a trap game for them. I'd love to see us score on the first drive, luck into a fumble recovery for a TD and then run the ball for 40 minutes. This game is theirs to lose but that's why they play the games.. Can't stand Falcons fans. As arrogant as Eagles fans but without any reason to be..

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I'm a little worried considering how the Falcons demolished the Texans last week.

Granted the Texans offense is a mess, but our secondary is extremely suspect and I dunno if Culliver/Breeland can stop Julio Jones.

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My concern is our secondary and their passing game. We need to control the clock and score TD's instead of FG's. We can win, rattle Ryan.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1124459]My concern is our secondary and their passing game. We need to control the clock and score TD's instead of FG's. We can win, rattle Ryan.[/quote]

No...not rattle him.
Knock his freakin dick in the dirt!
Make him a Ryan/Preston sandwich!

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1124460]No...not rattle him.
Knock his freakin dick in the dirt!
Make him a Ryan/Preston sandwich![/quote]

Knock his dick in the dirt?

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[quote=RedskinJake;1124455]To me I always look at yards per carry.. I think the Falcons haven't given up too many total rushing yards largely because their passing defense is so bad there's no point in rushing against them and their passing offense is so good that everyone ends up playing from behind most of the game and can't commit to the run.

We should be able to move the ball more like the Rams and Dolphins games. If Kirk is on point then the offense should look terrific. In this game, our offense might actually be our best defense.

Of course, injuries will play a factor as well..[/quote]

It's fine to look at yards per carry, but the other side of the equation is true too. If a team is far behind that rushing is not going to win the game Atlanta can give up more rushing yardage per play comfortably. You can bend all day if you know your quick strikes will score easily.

Bottom line, stats give a perspective, but their team has 4 wins, ours has 2, and they average 34 points a game, we average 19. Our best outing is 24, their worst outing is 24. In other words in their worst game we still at best play to a tie playing our best one.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1124456]Could very well be a trap game for the Falcons. You just KNOW their fans are already overlooking us.

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Except we're not playing the fans...

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Is DJAX playing? I think the skins will really surprise us all and the league with a HUGE upset sunday. 26-23

KC leads another GW FG drive this time around.

Julio scares me and I'm sure he will have a good game but if we can control the clock and have no TO's we win.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1124468]Is DJAX playing? I think the skins will really surprise us all and the league with a HUGE upset sunday. 26-23

KC leads another GW FG drive this time around.

Julio scares me and I'm sure he will have a good game but if we can control the clock and have no TO's we win.[/quote]

I think he's doing limited practices. I feel like he has a 50/50 shot this week. If he's not playing this week then next week.

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without djax and reed it will be super tough, Jax on that turf would scare ATL.

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I believe Alt will win and win big. 20+ points. Alt will pull away in the 4th quarter and the final score will look worse than it really was. It will be close for the first half and our inability to score TDs will be the biggest issue. We won't have anybody to cover Julio Jones and our lack of depth will really show. Our young players will play well. KC will have 300+ yards 1 TD and 2 Int. The team will have 50 - 75 yards rushing. We will stick with the running game until we are behind by more than 14 points (Alt 21 - Skins 6). Next week we will be bitching about JG and the play calling. The media will say "I told you they are not any good". The world will not end and the sun will come up; we will be tied for 2nd place in the division.

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If hall and culliver are out...it could get messy quick. Culliver went for a mri today...ugh

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not good…but you know what these are the games the redskins can surprise you..Remember Colt at Dallas!!

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Atl isn't as good as their record says, Skins can win this but it will take their best game.

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Julio worries me
Freeman doesn't

Stick with the run, bracket Julio all day... easier said than done.

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A tough game--Atl is hot right now, and we look to be without enough live bodies in the secondary. Jones is gonna torch us; he's been torching everyone. If they play their game at home, we're going to have a hard time of it.

But, to be honest, this is not the game that matters. The win against Philly means you can lose this one and still be in decent shape. The two games that follow, Jets and TB, those are the ones we need. So go into Atl and play hard but don't take it too hard if you lose. The real key is bouncing back and winning the winnable ones. Going on the road to a dome to play an undefeated team riding high without our starting CBs, #1 WR and TE, not to mention our inexperinced Oline and our fragile QB--that's a tough one. But the jets and TB, different story.

I know, I know, we want to win every one. But the trick to getting better is being resilient, bouncing back, winning the ones we can. And then you build.

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I consider the Jets a better team than the Falcons.

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Nervous about the game as it approaches, we really need help in the secondary...

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If Jackson were able to play that would be a big help. Just not sure I would count on him. Obviously his lack of off season preparation needs to be addressed when the season is over. Personally I would look at Ross to take his place. Not sure what the cap implications are if he were cut.

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I'm concerned, but I also have to remember that Julio Jones is ONE GUY (albeit one who can take over games) and if they can scheme to take him out of the game, do that, and force the others to beat you. I remember us doing that to Demarco Murray over the years and dared others to beat us. They did obviously, but they totally shut him down. We have a way better defense this year that might be able to handle the task.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1124458]I'm a little worried considering how the Falcons demolished the Texans last week.

Granted the Texans offense is a mess, but our secondary is extremely suspect and [B]I dunno if Culliver/Breeland can stop Julio Jones[/B].[/quote]

They can't. End of story. But the running game / offense can. He can't catch balls sitting on the sideline. We need to dominate TOP and score when we get opportunities. Can't say we'll win it but we can be a factor.

To me, this a game where we will learn a lot about this team. Even if we lose the game, the way they play Sunday could still give us positive momentum. But I think we can win if we catch a few breaks.

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Skins 27
Dirty Birds 20
Fantasy players everywhere are kicking themselves for dropping Jones after picking him up as he runs for 120 yards and 2 scores. Alfmo also has a big day. As a matter of fact we run on every single down. Still the WP goes crazy because Gruden abandons the run game every single God damned time the Falcons had the effing ball!

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ATL isn't good against the run, we need a consistent effort to run the ball and control the clock. I'm looking for 30ish carries.

Our DL/front needs to limit their run game preferably make their offense 1 dimensional.

We need to get after them with 4. Hatch, Bake, Paea, Ryan, Preston, Murph have got to create pressure w/4. Hatch and Bake should be used to whupping on Chester in practice. Time to show him what's up in a real game.

Gotta mix-up coverages and try to keep Jones doubled as often as possible. Make them beat us playing left handed either through the TE or Hank.

I have faith in Jay-Kirk ability to move the ball effectively through the air, but they can't get carried away. Kyle [I][B]knows[/B][/I] this QB, knows this coordinator and this offense. Kirk/Jay needs to watch out for trap coverages this game that exploit their unrealized tendencies.

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I got a feeling there will be a huge dose of Crowder and Thompson in this game, especially Crowder to compensate Reed's absence.

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[quote=30gut;1124503]

I have faith in Jay-Kirk ability to move the ball effectively through the air, but they can't get carried away. Kyle [I][B]knows[/B][/I] this QB, knows this coordinator and this offense. Kirk/Jay needs to watch out for trap coverages this game that exploit their unrealized tendencies.[/quote]

yes, im afraid teams will start doing a lot better job of disguising coverages. teams adjusted to the run and have done better at containing that. cousins showed he can make good decisions and take what defenses give him last week.

so this week, why not disguise your D so cousins thinks you are giving him something here or there .. only to trap him to have a guy he didnt read pre-snap step into that space and pick it off/defend it.

i assume when you say "trap coverages", that means having DE guys suddenly dropping back in short zone, OLB suddenly defending the flats while the corner drops back to deep coverage, etc?

i dont trust Jay to be a step ahead of opposing coaches ... not yet.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1124507]yes, im afraid teams will start doing a lot better job of disguising coverages. teams adjusted to the run and have done better at containing that. cousins showed he can make good decisions and take what defenses give him last week.



so this week, why not disguise your D so cousins thinks you are giving him something here or there .. only to trap him to have a guy he didnt read pre-snap step into that space and pick it off/defend it.



i assume when you say "trap coverages", that means having DE guys suddenly dropping back in short zone, OLB suddenly defending the flats while the corner drops back to deep coverage, etc?



i dont trust Jay to be a step ahead of opposing coaches ... not yet.[/QUOTE]


If we can be a step ahead dont you think J can? Im sure he isnt oblivious to the exact things being discussed in a Skins chat group? Totally not being a wise ass or trying to sound like one - just that I would hope this is the case or we are in alot of trouble.
Edit: i think the question is do we have the talent yet to stay a step ahead. J can dream up any sort of scheme he wants. It still comes down to execution. If players do not execute he is ridiculed for calling the wrong play, and if he caters to his talent he is ridiculed for calling the wrong play. This really can be said for any coach, but I dont care about the others.

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[quote=punch it in;1124508]If we can be a step ahead dont you think J can? Im sure he isnt oblivious to the exact things being discussed in a Skins chat group? Totally not being a wise ass or trying to sound like one - just that I would hope this is the case or we are in alot of trouble.
Edit: i think the question is do we have the talent yet to stay a step ahead.[/quote]

Punch - imo he has a horrible track record of second half in-game adjustments. he sticks to script way to long. when i say "he", i mean gruden and mcvay.

silver lining is that I do think jay and mcvay can make a good gameplan over the week entering a game. that PA bootleg thing to thompson and crowder was a cool new havent-seen-it-before play. do they have a few more of those in the pocket for the falcons?

you do bring up a good point re talent. is cousins ready for a wrinkle into what he has been being taught? he appears to just start to get comfortable now, is he ready? i think cousins is cerebral enough to adjust but messing with a guys pre-snap reads is not something that can be done over night.

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thinking more about it, I think this will be a good litmus test for our coaches on both sides of the ball.

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[quote]....so this week, why not disguise your D so cousins thinks you are giving him something here or there .. only to trap him to have a guy he didnt read pre-snap step into that space and pick it off/defend it.

.......i assume when you say "trap coverages", that means having DE guys suddenly dropping back in short zone, OLB suddenly defending the flats while the corner drops back to deep coverage, etc?[/quote]Yup.

Kyle's (and Raheem) know this scheme, personnel and staff intimately. Kyle not only knows historically WCO tendencies but knows Jay/McVay/Jordan Reed/Garcon tendencies. He can predict the likely play calls, targets and route combinations based on down, distance, formation and personnel much more accurately then any other team we'll face this year (except maybe Belichick).
He can say to Raheem ~'if you show a certain pre-snap look they'll expect an opening at spot X' and from that information the defense can gameplan to set a "trap".

Kirk is going to have to be on his game and not predetermine any throws. He's gotta quickly confirm post snap what he see/expects pre-snap.

This offense is designed to throw quickly and Kirk has a tendency to stick with his pre-snap read.

To reduce the opportunities for trap coverages I think (i know broken record) but we gotta keep running the ball, and hopefully run the ball well and stay out of known passing situations.

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If we're going to win this one it will have to be the pass rush getting to Ryan and the offense (not just the running game, the passing game too) lighting it up.

Julio is going to torch us to death. The only way we win is get to Ryan, cause some turnovers, and Kirk takes a big-boy step.

It's not out of the realm of possibility. I don't love our chances but it can be done.