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For the first three games the Redskins ran the ball effectively.... for the past four or five weeks the run game has been nonexistent... it's not like defenses are shutting it down.... let's be honest.... Gruden and McVeigh have deliberately gotten away from it....they purposefully have abandoned the running game.... why? Because their ability to coach and coordinate the offense is very bad....they are unfit to coach!!!!! This was never a problem under the Shanahan, Zorn, Gibbs, Schottenheimer, & Turner regimes.....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1128224]For the first three games the Redskins ran the ball effectively.... for the past four or five weeks the run game has been nonexistent... it's not like defenses are shutting it down.... [B]let's be honest.... Gruden and McVeigh have deliberately gotten away from it....they purposefully have abandoned the running game.... why[/B]? Because their ability to coach and coordinate the offense is very bad....they are unfit to coach!!!!! This was never a problem under the Shanahan, Zorn, Gibbs, Schottenplaying heimer, & Turner regimes.....[/quote]

No they have not deliberately gone away from the run. You can chalk it up to about 1.5 yards per carry and the frequent position of playing from....way behind.
What remains is neo conspiratorial nonsense that is soon popular in Redskinville....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1128224]For the first three games the Redskins ran the ball effectively.... for the past four or five weeks the run game has been nonexistent... it's not like defenses are shutting it down.... let's be honest.... Gruden and McVeigh have deliberately gotten away from it....they purposefully have abandoned the running game.... why? Because their ability to coach and coordinate the offense is very bad....they are unfit to coach!!!!! This was never a problem under the Shanahan, Zorn, Gibbs, Schottenheimer, & Turner regimes.....[/quote]

You have to be joking right?

Yeah, they deliberately abandoned the run...just like they deliberately sabotaged the strength and conditioning program to create more injuries, and unintentionally put the best QB on the field, and mistakenly signed a better kicker...O how I miss the glory days under Zorn with his mastery and swinging gateness...

:puke:

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Well the title of this thread fits a stat I found as I was browsing around. Per Rotowire, [url=http://www.rotowire.com/football/redzonestats.htm?pos=TM&season=2015&range=Year]2015 NFL Team Offense Stats | RotoWire[/url], the Skins have 4th most opportunities in the Redzone. I would not have guessed that. A couple more clicks on the headers and you find that we have the 2nd most redzone pass targets (2nd to NE) and the 12th most rushing attempts.

So I guess that means that we are in fact a pass first team, at least in the redzone. Time will tell if it pans out because right now we have the 28th most redzone fantasy points (yes I know that isn't the real football, but for comparison purposes, NE has 851 fantasy points and we have 550).

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more meaningless stats from Football Outsiders.

Our offense's weighted rank is 20th, with our passing offense being ranked 10th, and our rushing offense ranked 30th. Interestingly, according to them, [url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2015 OFFENSE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url], our opponents defenses rank the 3rd toughest.

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It's the defense's fault [/sarcasm]

All jokes aside, while not taking away anything from Cousins, we are in some trouble if he's the best thing on offense. That and the pass blocking.

Our receivers are terrible and our running game/run blocking is non-existent. Matt Jones looks okay, but he fumbles. Morris is holding on to the ball, but can't seem to run past 3 yards.

Hopefully this o-line can gel and get their act together in the run blocking aspect. And I hope Scot can get some good receivers in the offseason. Because right now it seems to be just Reed and Crowder (also he did have a drop last week as well).

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Just like the defense, we're still a few players short on offense. We need a true stud #1 wr and a center that doesn't get pushed around. Morris is gone so we're going to need another back but we can get someone there in FA.

But a stud wr, a 6'3 guy that can go up and get a ball in traffic, that's really what we're missing. Hate drafting wr's high but Treadwell from Miss looks like an interesting player.

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I think the skins are experiencing an identity crisis on offense. Are they a short pass WC offense, a zone blocking team, a power running team? It seems they are trying to do a little of everything and not doing anything well.

Since the pass protection has been so good, maybe it would make sense to sprinkle in some draw plays. The game against the Saints should really let the offense open up, since the Saints cannot stop anyone.

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I think the run success we had the first few games may have mislead us into unreasonable expectations. This is pretty much a brand new O line unit.

Besides Trent (who missed 1 game); long, leribeus, schref and moses did not start or play together last year.

Cooley said 2 things yesterday:
- Mcvay is absolutely calling every single play; and
- While Callahan does not dictate the play calls, he helps preparing the weekly offensive game plan and Callahan likes to run out of 1 back sets, uses TE in run formations and doesnt like to run out of the I or strong formation = stud FB darrel young is getting very few snaps.

The loss of Paul and Paulsen was a huge loss for the type of run game Callahan likes. Add to that our coaches collective inability to adjust scheme to personnel = trending to a historically bad run game.

Ive never seen a 4 game stretch where any team has run for 51 yards or less.

this is historically, record breaking bad.

Coaches had the bye to "self critique" and come up with some new looks and I didnt see any change to the run game against NE.

run out of the I, get DY in there, hell give DY the ball 5 times a game.

Do something besides ask Reed and Carrier to be the point of attack (good call weeks ago 30 gut).

stacks - good call on some draw plays, do something besides what we have been doing the past 5 games or so.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1128237]You have to be joking right?

Yeah, they deliberately abandoned the run...just like they deliberately sabotaged the strength and conditioning program to create more injuries, and unintentionally put the best QB on the field, and mistakenly signed a better kicker...O how I miss the glory days under Zorn with his mastery and swinging gateness...

:puke:[/quote]

Under Zorn Clinton Portis had 925 yards rushing through the first half of the season though.

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[quote=Hog1;1128229]No they have not deliberately gone away from the run. You can chalk it up to about 1.5 yards per carry and the frequent position of playing from....way behind.
What remains is neo conspiratorial nonsense that is soon popular in Redskinville....[/quote]


I've watched the games and then watched recordings of the games..even if the running backs are getting minimal gains on carries, the coaches still should be calling the run. the play calling is uncreative and amateurish....

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They can't run because teams are stacking the box, our passing game is hurting our running game

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/21294/redskins-run-game-once-again-fails-to-produce-but-did-show-signs-of-life]Washington Redskins' run game fails to produce, but shows glimpses - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Five observations about the Washington Redskins' offense after the team's 27-10 loss to the New England Patriots:

* [B]The lack of running game success did not stem from the coaches giving up on the run too quickly. [/B](Nor was it because the Patriots stacked the box. In the first half, I counted one time when New England had eight defenders up -- excluding the short-yardage situation). Down 17 points before halftime, the Redskins embarked on a 16-play drive during which eight plays were runs. On the first drive of the second half, three of Washington's first six plays were runs. And after falling behind 20-3, the Redskins' first play on the next series was a run (for one yard). After that, the score and clock dictated that they throw the ball. They actually had a nice rhythm to their run game on the final drive of the first half, gaining 32 yards on their first seven carries. However, the eighth one lost four yards. One more note: Eight of the Redskins' first 11 first-down plays were runs.

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So 32 or our total 37 yards were on 1 drive that led to a field goal. Ugh.


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Oline n bigtime wr like djax was supposed to be. Plus a blocking tight end. Boom.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1128229]No they have not deliberately gone away from the run. You can chalk it up to about 1.5 yards per carry and the frequent position of playing from....way behind.

What remains is neo conspiratorial nonsense that is soon popular in Redskinville....[/QUOTE]


Hog you are the voice of reason and I thank you. We had injuries along the oline, and we move the ball very well through the short to intermediate passing game. We need a C and help on the rite side. I honestly cannot remember many times during any of our games when I remember thinking "wtf run!" We seem to be moving the ball well through the air. Our run game is lacking, no doubt - but it is getting absolutely stuffed from the get go. Every time we snap the ball I hold my breath it isnt a god damned run because we pick up yard.

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whether we feel this is a lost year or not....1.5 or 2.5 ypc is discouraging.

what's even more discouraging is that the coaching staff had an extra week to figure something out.

I am impressed that this line doesn't give up many sacks (I know Kirk has a large part in that too), but the coaches should have figured something out in the run game by now.

the run game should not be at the historic low that is being witnessed, week after week.
for Pete's sake...go Heavy/Jumbo if you need to and get DY more involved....try something else....find a way!

HTTR

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I wonder how much the qb change has to do with the lack of sacks? Didnt Griff go down a boatload of times during the preseason with our first team? I remember thinking wow he is almost stepping into the pressure.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1128273]They can't run because teams are stacking the box, our passing game is hurting our running game[/quote]

Huge misconception by fans.

Someone should tell the Rams, Browns, Eagles, Cowboys, Dolphins, Jets, etc... That's they are doing it wrong then. Teams are not scared of thier passing attack either.

Defense play the run similar on running downs and personnel like every other team. The biggest issue right now is execution. Matt Jones is still learning to be an NFL RB, and continues to bounce outside. Morris isn't a great fit for the power scheme, Lerib is the worse Center in the NFL right now, Long and Sherff are struggling with communication and 2nd level contact. Reed and Carrier both are below par run blockers.

Watch the 22. I can add some Intel if need be in this thread. Most teams are playing A-Gap on us because Lerib can't execute the blocks. He's so worried about getting his blocks that most of his snaps are off target.

Out of all the snaps on Sunday from shotgun. Only 7 of them hit Kirk in the sweet spot.

Run game was more effective first 2 games because of Litch, and Lav. Don't be surprised to see the new Center we got starting against Carolina. Hard to have effective run game when the anchor of the Offensive Line is getting blown up most plays, so you try to run tosses and outside zone, but your TE blocking is just as bad.

Has nothing to do with the passing attack. Teams play 8 man boxes against run personnel against every team. It's the main reason you see us not able to get yards against nickel packages as well.

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[quote=Bucket;1128367]Huge misconception by fans.

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Don't be surprised to see the new Center we got starting against Carolina.

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There was talk that de la Puente may play Center this week against NO. It's a lot to ask, but LeRib has been pretty bad.

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One thing about de la Puente is for certain: He has already given the Skins coaching staff a whole lot of inside information on how to attack the Saints.

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I don't care what "style" of offense we run as long as its efficient and productive in the RZ.

I would have no problem with a pass heavy offense but the passing game is 20th in pass yards per game but [B][U]32nd[/U][/B] in yards per attempt @ [B][COLOR="Red"]6.3[/COLOR][/B]

Jay's offense is pass first. He's always been that way even going back to Cinci. Now McVay, by extention, is also a pass first OC.

Their coaching philosophy has always leaned towards being pass happy. The difference now is that the run game is close to league worst. For me the question becomes whether the inefficiency of the run game is a result of their pass happy nature?

My answer is yes. I think there are too many quality pieces in the offense for the run game to be this ineffective. But those pieces will never merge together as a good run game without greater commitment. For me the result of greater commitment will be better gameplans and beter execution.

A coaches focus pass/run effects everything about the offense from the gameplan time, gameplan detail, game plan variety, time allotment in practice, time allotment in meetings etc....

And the run game issues are systemic. Its not just 1 guy or group all the time.
Sometimes its the backs, sometimes its the OL, sometimes its the TEs etc. Which to me sounds like a cohesion issue. A practice time issue. An attention to detail issue.

You know what we'll never hear? Maybe sometimes the issues are gameplan/ personnel choices/ and coaching related?

Predictability on 1st down based on down, distance and personnel. e.g.
Base personnel on 1st down=run
"Run" personnel on 1st down=run
Not enough mixed personnel, mixed formations on 1st down runs i.e. run from 3/4 WRs sets or run from shotgun etc...

Predictability on 2nd downs passes after "failed" 1st downs i.e. seldom have back to back run calls.

Personnel questions--
Why count on sub-par run blocking TEs to set the edge on key runs?
Why not use I-Form/offset or Pistol formations to get DY a great blocker and decent receiver on the field?
Why not run more from 3-4 Wide considering our TEs strength isn't run blocking...

Gameplan questions--
(This has been changing recently but....) Not enough 1st down play-action and bootlegs

Not enough exploitation of the backside contain.....i.e. mix in zone-read or phantom WR reverse or other backfield action to stop the backside contain from crashing down the line

Pick a RB and give them enough carries to get a rhythm...my preference is Alfred because he has 3 years of gamefilm of plays and concepts (with an imo inferior OL) that led to multiple 1,000 yard seasons. But even if it is Matt Jones, give him the carries and let him get a rhythm.

Have a greater diversity of run plays, use the variety and sequence of run plays to take advantage of the defense overplaying certain run game concepts.
e.g. If they D is fast flowing on the outside zone then have outside zone "action" in the backfield but handoff to a designed cut-back or other type of backside run etc.

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Given LeRibeus is struggling with snaps and is only average, and we signed DeLa Puente, an aging veteran.. Seems like our future center is not yet on our roster..

Any progress on Reiter (7th round pick)? He's on the practice squad, I know he doesn't have a chance this year -- but curious to see long-term prospects vs. drafting replacement next year. Haven't heard any updates which likely means we'll readdress next year in draft/FA or stick with DeLaPuente

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[quote=punch it in;1128359]I wonder how much the qb change has to do with the lack of sacks? Didnt Griff go down a boatload of times during the preseason with our first team? I remember thinking wow he is almost stepping into the pressure.[/quote]

Griffin was also holding the ball too long when it was supposed to come out. If he can't read coverages or feel the rush or release the ball on time he's gonna get swallowed up by defenders. He had zero awareness.

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Have to feel that SM has a 300+ pound center in college that he has his eye on.

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[quote=punch it in;1128359]I wonder how much the qb change has to do with the lack of sacks? Didnt Griff go down a boatload of times during the preseason with our first team? I remember thinking wow he is almost stepping into the pressure.[/quote]

Yes.....Robert's absolute lack of pocket presence and the pressure associated with it made him a sack machine
A....Bad sack machine..lose like 33 yards taking us out of field goal range pushing the line of scrimmage out into the parking lot.....shit fire