Redskins Pre-Draft Visits
 

I've been looking at [URL="http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam"]this pre draft visit list[/URL] the last few days, and trying to piece together some possible fits.

One thing I saw was we met with both Alabama DTs (Reed and Robinson) at the combine. I wonder if we take one of those guys in Round 1? DT is going to be a big need, especially at nose.

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I believe there are two different lists. Your list is of players they met with at the combine, All-star game, etc. Then there is the list of players who visit Redskin park... I would like to see the list of Redskin park visitors.... not sure you can read to much into either list

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1998190/reggie-northrup]Reggie Northrup, , Florida State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

ILB Reggie Northrup coming in today

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Michael Caputo, S, Wisconsin and

Deon King, OLB, Norfolk State as well

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Sean Davis, Safety Maryland

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Noah Spence, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky

This guy came in yesterday. Pass rush folks...Skins really seem to like this guy

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Dadi Nicolas Va Tech OLB




Player Overview
With 18.5 tackles for loss and 9.0 sacks as a junior in 2014, Nicolas considered leaving school early for the NFL Draft and few would have blamed him. But he decided to return to Blacksburg for his senior season with the goal of emerging as one of the top edge rushing prospects for 2016. His production dipped as a senior with 2.5 sacks, sparking doubt for those already concerned he doesn't have a natural fit in the NFL.


Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Nimble athlete who is at his best when he can use his light feet in space. A relentless hustle player, Nicolas has excellent first-step quickness and initial momentum to split double-teams when lined up as a three- or five-technique and shave the corner when rushing off the edge from a wide formation. He is quick-footed to avoid blockers and keeps his eyes on the ball.

Good special teams player with a number of blocked field-goal attempts throughout his career.


WEAKNESSES: Not enough core strength or power to hold up in the trenches. Isn't a strong point of attack player and needs to refine his hand use, relying mostly on his lower body to do most of the work. He is still developing his football awareness, but has grown considerably in this area, holding the edge and leveraging the field vs. the run.


IN OUR VIEW: After a disappointing senior season (2.5 sacks), Nicolas is looking for redemption in pre-draft workouts. Too small to remain at defensive end or even as an edge rusher in a three-man front, Nicolas is a project who perhaps projects best at outside linebacker in a 4-3 alignment

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Arjen Colquhoun CB Michigan State

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This is more of a question than a comment, but I am a bit confused.......

After reading the McL article where he likes to look guys in the eye to see if they're passionate about football........
does that imply he (or the staff) has interviewed each player they draft?


Here's an article from a year ago, that tracked a lot of the pre-draft visits.
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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/4/23/8478593/2015-nfl-draft-tracking-the-redskins-pre-draft-meetings-visits-and]2015 NFL Draft: Tracking the Redskins Pre-Draft Meetings, Visits, and Workouts - Hogs Haven[/url][/U]

From the list above, I only recognize Scherff & Halliday, but maybe a I missed another 1-2 that we went after. Either way, it's a low percentage.

I'm guessing a lot of the discussions during Senior Bowl or even the combine might not be recorded.

I'm equally sure that many of these visits are "smoke screens" to throw other teams off, but again the "look them in the eye" thing has me a little confused if that counts for every draft pick or just the marquee rounds.

I would appreciate hearing other thoughts on this.

Thanks.

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[quote=Bangee7;1141874]This is more of a question than a comment, but I am a bit confused.......

After reading the McL article where he likes to look guys in the eye to see if they're passionate about football........
does that imply he (or the staff) has interviewed each player they draft?


Here's an article from a year ago, that tracked a lot of the pre-draft visits.
[U]
[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/4/23/8478593/2015-nfl-draft-tracking-the-redskins-pre-draft-meetings-visits-and]2015 NFL Draft: Tracking the Redskins Pre-Draft Meetings, Visits, and Workouts - Hogs Haven[/url][/U]

From the list above, I only recognize Scherff & Halliday, but maybe a I missed another 1-2 that we went after. Either way, it's a low percentage.

I'm guessing a lot of the discussions during Senior Bowl or even the combine might not be recorded.

I'm equally sure that many of these visits are "smoke screens" to throw other teams off, but again the "look them in the eye" thing has me a little confused if that counts for every draft pick or just the marquee rounds.

I would appreciate hearing other thoughts on this.

Thanks.[/quote]

My general thought is most if not all who they meet with, interview, etc go up on their draft board. But I feel there is certainly a strong strong effort to disguise interest, especially by McC and this regime. Certainly with the emergence of social media, this strategy is even more apparent. Even John keim said last year, McC has made it harder than ever to get information from the front office. The leaks have dried up.

I'm sure there is some gamesmanship with other teams to feign interest with some visits and smoke screens, but some are harder to read than others. I like that McC has made it tougher to get information...I think this strategy leads to more success in getting the prospects we want.

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I agree with this. It used to matter less because we didn't need to worry about other teams trying to scoop the guys we were targeting, our judgment was so bad. But with McLovin? You know any team would kill to see his assessment.


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[quote=calia;1141889]I agree with this. It used to matter less because we didn't need to worry about other teams trying to scoop the guys we were targeting, our judgment was so bad. But with McLovin? You know any team would kill to see his assessment.


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scooping guys up that don't fit your scheme cause someone else likes them is a good way to lose. if you're deferring your scouting staff/GM's judgement to someone working on another team, it's time to get a new scouting staff/GM.

you want to deny information to force other teams to make less than perfect decisions, which abstractly makes them worse and your team better. maybe they trade up too high to get a guy or drop back a bit too far and miss the guy they wanted because they can't get a correct read on what everyone else is going to do.

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True, but not every player or position is so scheme dependent that Intel from a good judge of talent would be valueless. Not suggesting that anyone would want to replicate our draft board. But interest in our assessment (and knowing it in the context of our scheme), you bet.


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Steven Daniels, ILB, Boston College

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Christian Hackenberg visiting today............... not interested unless UDFA

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[quote=Irrefutable;1141928]Christian Hackenberg visiting today............... not interested unless UDFA[/quote]

Very interested starting in the 4th round.

This guy was already being called the #1 overall pick as a freshman, he has all the talent, he just needs to remember that he is good.

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Hackenburg's underwhelming stats;

[url=http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-hackenberg-1.html]Christian Hackenberg Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com[/url]

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Hackenburg would be a steal in the 4th or 5th round. I think my only concern is a willingness to work and to be coached. My problem is he kinda shut it down under the Franklin staff which is troubling. So maturity is a factor.

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hackenburg is a gamble. FO likes to look at the progress of a college QB's completion %, and on that count, he's going the wrong way. 54% isn't very good. There is potential though and if it's 4th round on, that's not a super high cost to take a chance. just don't get your hopes too high.

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From Jon Gruden on working with Hackenberg

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I'll be shocked if Hackenberg is not a first-round pick

The biggest surprise to me on Hackenberg is that no one is really talking about him in the first round. This was the No. 1 prospect in the nation a few years ago and someone who showed during his freshman year he could produce at a high level in a true NFL-style offense. What he showed during that first year at Penn State -- before the coaching change, before the system change, before all the things that derailed him -- would be enough for me to take this guy early. This man can run a 4.7-second 40, he is tough as hell and he works relentlessly. He just has to get in the right system with the right people and refocus on the small details.


2 Memories are too short when it comes to this QB

Hackenberg threw for 3,000 yards as an 18-year-old kid in an NFL offense that is hard to execute. I do not think people are giving him enough credit for that. [B]The alert signals they had when Bill O'Brien was coaching him were straight out of the New England Patriots playbook. You might see 12-15 alerts per game. The quarterback's control at the line of scrimmage was similar to the Patriots'. We all have seen Tom Brady point to his temples countless times at the line of scrimmage. They had the same alerts and mannerisms at Penn State. For a freshman to be given that type of autonomy at the line of scrimmage is unusual.[/B] When you see the same plays from the same formations that the Patriots are running, with the same audible mannerisms, you are like, "Wow, this is cool."



Bolded is very key imo. Hackenberg showed his ass in an NFL, pro style offense with Obrien. Dude balled the fuck out when Obrien was there. hands down, balled the fuck out

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Hackenburg was a trending down player. But I think it was the talent and the team around him more than it was him. He has the skills and the smarts. He's going to have to get into the right organization that will let him sit and learn for a few years. New England may be the perfect place for him. If I were the Redskins I would pass on taking him in the 4th round. We need a 4th rounder that can come in and contribute right away.

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CBS Sports has him a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Why are we even talking to this guy?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1141941]CBS Sports has him a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Why are we even talking to this guy?[/quote]

BPA and McC & Gruden.

Gruden already stated him and McC agree they need a 3rd developmental QB. McC did a lot of interviewing at the combine with QBs...think he interviewed 3 or 4. So he allocated a set amount of interviews towards that position, kinda was a head scratcher for me, but ive come around. Why not grab one to develop. He could fall.

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another QB visiting

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=106926&draftyear=2016&genpos=QB]Brandon Doughty | Western Kentucky, QB : 2016 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1141959]another QB visiting

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=106926&draftyear=2016&genpos=QB]Brandon Doughty*|*Western Kentucky,*QB*:*2016 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url][/quote]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1765589/brandon-doughty]Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

Little better description of the guy.

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Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (COM)
Juston Burris, CB, NC State (EW)
Kevin Byard, S, Middle Tennessee (INT)
Michael Caputo, S, Wisconsin (PRI)
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State (COM)
Blake Countess, CB, Auburn (PRI)
Ken Crawley, CB, Colorado (EW)
Steven Daniels, ILB, Boston College (PRI)
Sean Davis, FS/CB, Maryland (STM)
Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky (PRI)
Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois (EW)
Darion Griswold, TE, Arkansas State (EW)
Christian Hackenberg^, QB, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Darien Harris, OLB, Michigan State (LOC)
Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State (COM)
Jonathan Jones, CB, Auburn (PRO)
Deon King, OLB, Norfolk State (WOR)
Jordan Lomax, FS, Iowa (LOC)
Keith Lumpkin, OT, Rutgers (EW)
Dadi Lhomme Nicolas, OLB, Virginia Tech (PRI)
Robert Nkemdiche, DT/DE/3-4DE, Ole Miss (COM)
Reggie Northrup, ILB, Florida State (PRI)
Jarran Reed, DT/3-4DE/NT, Alabama (COM)
Keenan Reynolds, RB, Navy (EW)
A'Shawn Robinson, DT/3-4DE/NT, Alabama (COM)
Alonzo Russell, WR, Toledo (LOC)
Tajae Sharpe, WR, Massachusetts (EW)
Elijah Shumate, S, Notre Dame (EW)
Terrance Smith, OLB/ILB, Florida State (EW)
Noah Spence^, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky (COM, PRI)
Joe Thuney, G, NC State (EW)
Ryan Watson, DT, Purdue (LOC)
Trevor Williams, CB, Penn State (LOC)

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[quote=Irrefutable;1142101]Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (COM)
Juston Burris, CB, NC State (EW)
Kevin Byard, S, Middle Tennessee (INT)
Michael Caputo, S, Wisconsin (PRI)
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State (COM)
Blake Countess, CB, Auburn (PRI)
Ken Crawley, CB, Colorado (EW)
Steven Daniels, ILB, Boston College (PRI)
Sean Davis, FS/CB, Maryland (STM)
Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky (PRI)
Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois (EW)
Darion Griswold, TE, Arkansas State (EW)
Christian Hackenberg^, QB, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Darien Harris, OLB, Michigan State (LOC)
Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State (COM)
Jonathan Jones, CB, Auburn (PRO)
Deon King, OLB, Norfolk State (WOR)
Jordan Lomax, FS, Iowa (LOC)
Keith Lumpkin, OT, Rutgers (EW)
Dadi Lhomme Nicolas, OLB, Virginia Tech (PRI)
Robert Nkemdiche, DT/DE/3-4DE, Ole Miss (COM)
Reggie Northrup, ILB, Florida State (PRI)
Jarran Reed, DT/3-4DE/NT, Alabama (COM)
Keenan Reynolds, RB, Navy (EW)
A'Shawn Robinson, DT/3-4DE/NT, Alabama (COM)
Alonzo Russell, WR, Toledo (LOC)
Tajae Sharpe, WR, Massachusetts (EW)
Elijah Shumate, S, Notre Dame (EW)
Terrance Smith, OLB/ILB, Florida State (EW)
Noah Spence^, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky (COM, PRI)
Joe Thuney, G, NC State (EW)
Ryan Watson, DT, Purdue (LOC)
Trevor Williams, CB, Penn State (LOC)[/quote]

Seems like the draft visit list is a list of people they DON'T want... I'll just remember the months January->April and try to ignore all of the Mock Drafts, Draft visit lists, and hype -- because pretty much no one can predict McC picks anyway...

Trusting in McC, picks look good. Would've liked to have 4th rounder back.