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Chico23231 05-16-2016 09:08 AM

Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[url=http://realredskins.com/2016/05/12/need-to-know-is-the-redskins-window-open/]Need to Know: Is the Redskins’ window open? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Superbowl starting to come into focus??!!

Interesting question poise by Tandler, is it legit? I believe it is based on several things:

1) McCloughan - First the first time during the Snyder Regime, we are finally run like a professional football team in every aspect of the franchise.

2) Cousins - Pro Style QB who learned not only Jay's system but also learned how to lead a team into the playoffs. I don't see a step back and even a plateau wouldn't be a team killer.

3) Romo and Manning are in the back end of their careers and the supporting structures within those squads aren't strong enough to carry the load. IE the defense cant carry the offense or the coaching staffs cant out scheme the deficiencies lacking on the team. Philly is in transition and are generally a mess.

The window opening depends on the improving defense and my guess with the addition of Cravens, Norman, Fuller and Gallette we will certainly see an improvement.


Is the window opening, open, or still closed?

Schneed10 05-16-2016 09:21 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
Oh no. Slow your roll!

Before I think about declaring a window open:

- I think Cousins is the man, but I need to see it one more season. His second half was awesome last year but I need to see it again against the tougher competition we'll face over our 16 this season.

- I need to see our run game get much better, get good enough to take the pressure off the passing game when needed.

- Probably most importantly, I need to see a consistent and disruptive pass rush. I LOVE Junior Galette but I need to see it before I believe it. The offenses you face in the playoffs, in particular the QBs, the only way you beat guys like Aaron Rodgers is to be all over them.

Anytime you make the playoffs, the next year you can say the window is [I]cracked[/I]. But that's as far as I'll go for now. If we make the playoffs again this year with Cousins proving himself to be worthy of a big contract, then next year I'll ask Tony K to fire up the Bandwagon.

mooby 05-16-2016 10:17 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=Schneed10;1143737]Oh no. Slow your roll!

Before I think about declaring a window open:

- [B]I think Cousins is the man, but I need to see it one more season. His second half was awesome last year but I need to see it again against the tougher competition we'll face over our 16 this season.[/B]

- I need to see our run game get much better, get good enough to take the pressure off the passing game when needed.

- Probably most importantly, I need to see a consistent and disruptive pass rush. I LOVE Junior Galette but I need to see it before I believe it. The offenses you face in the playoffs, in particular the QBs, the only way you beat guys like Aaron Rodgers is to be all over them.

Anytime you make the playoffs, the next year you can say the window is [I]cracked[/I]. But that's as far as I'll go for now. If we make the playoffs again this year with Cousins proving himself to be worthy of a big contract, then next year I'll ask Tony K to fire up the Bandwagon.[/quote]

Truth. Many a one year wonder qb has traveled this league, his credibility (and our team) will take a major step forward if he can do it back to back. I also have questions about our pass rush and defensive line that can't be answered until the season starts, but I believe the single biggest factor is Captain Kirk.

Chico23231 05-16-2016 10:41 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/24997/redskins-under-25-talent-looks-much-better-than-a-year-ago]Redskins' young talent looks much better than it did a year ago - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Wanted to include this as well...young developing talent is key.

I think I want to believe, but agree need to see another year of Cousins and need to see that defense improve.

I think this is a big year for Joe Barry.

calia 05-16-2016 10:43 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=mooby;1143738]Truth. Many a one year wonder qb has traveled this league, his credibility (and our team) will take a major step forward if he can do it back to back. I also have questions about our pass rush and defensive line that can't be answered until the season starts, but I believe the single biggest factor is Captain Kirk.[/quote]

Hard to disagree with this -- look at Foles. The Eagles thought that they had their new QB there, and the guy fell apart. To be clear, I think Kirk is better, works harder, and is a different QB in other material respects. I have every confidence in Kirk and think he can get us back to a SB someday. But we still have a lot of work to do. D-line, S, C, and ILB remain needs.

MTK 05-16-2016 11:12 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
Another winning season/playoff run and yeah, the window is definitely open.

SirLK26 05-16-2016 01:01 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=calia;1143740]Hard to disagree with this -- look at Foles. The Eagles thought that they had their new QB there, and the guy fell apart. To be clear, I think Kirk is better, works harder, and is a different QB in other material respects. I have every confidence in Kirk and think he can get us back to a SB someday. But we still have a lot of work to do. D-line, S, C, and ILB remain needs.[/quote]

Yeah Kirk and Foles are on different levels, just based on my eyes. Foles never had me convinced while Cousins looks like the real thing.

My holdup is last years weak schedule and the fact we never beat a team with a winning record. I don't think it was a fluke season exactly but I would say we overachieved. Doubt we take a big enough step forward to be a serious Super Bowl contender this time around. Give it another year and the window will be wide open. Although if Kirk really is legit we should be a playoff contender again

rickmmrr 05-16-2016 02:03 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=Chico23231;1143736][url=http://realredskins.com/2016/05/12/need-to-know-is-the-redskins-window-open/]Need to Know: Is the Redskins’ window open? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Superbowl starting to come into focus??!!

Interesting question poise by Tandler, is it legit? I believe it is based on several things:

1) McCloughan - First the first time during the Snyder Regime, we are finally run like a professional football team in every aspect of the franchise.

2) Cousins - Pro Style QB who learned not only Jay's system but also learned how to lead a team into the playoffs. I don't see a step back and even a plateau wouldn't be a team killer.

[B]3) Romo and Manning are in the back end of their careers and the supporting structures within those squads aren't strong enough to carry the load. IE the defense cant carry the offense or the coaching staffs cant out scheme the deficiencies lacking on the team. Philly is in transition and are generally a mess. [/B]

The window opening depends on the improving defense and my guess with the addition of Cravens, Norman, Fuller and Gallette we will certainly see an improvement.


Is the window opening, open, or still closed?[/quote]

I think we will continue to improve but being in a weak division helped us last year and will continue to help us this year. Just seeing them suck makes our improvements so much more satisfying.

Chico23231 05-16-2016 02:23 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=rickmmrr;1143743]I think we will continue to improve but being in a weak division helped us last year and will continue to help us this year. Just seeing them suck makes our improvements so much more satisfying.[/quote]

its all about performing within the division...even though our overall schedule is tougher if we can take care of business within our own then it sets us up for success.

30gut 05-16-2016 03:23 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
The window is opening, we're close. Still have some areas to address from a personnel standpoint.

I have faith that Scott will build a championship contending roster. Maybe 1-2 years away.

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skinsfaninok 05-16-2016 05:23 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
no doubt, young team with a franchise QB.. We will be good for the next 5 to 7 years

CRedskinsRule 05-16-2016 06:19 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
It all goes with KC and Joe Barry. If KC executes the offense we will contend and Barry is a competent DC (I have my doubts), then this team will contend every year. I think within the division we could get a bit of a streak going. Both Dallas and NYG are behind the power curve qb-wise, and Philly seems to think they know something the rest of the league doesn't. With SM guiding the player acquisition, you can see this whole team has been shaped far differently in the past. I am definitely excited.

metalskins 05-17-2016 02:35 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
The window is definitely unlocked. It will be at least cracked open after another successful season.

That Guy 05-17-2016 08:46 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
the offense was good enough until the playoff game where kirk went into super safe mode. so it really hinges on defensive improvement.

Skins3 05-17-2016 09:16 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
I think with cousins is I equate much of last year to somewhat of a rookie playing year. He really played different after the Tampa game. I can't wait to see the growth when he gets 100% of the reps as the starter all through out training camp and will have to answer little to no questions about Rg3.

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ethat001 05-17-2016 09:43 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=SirLK26;1143742]Yeah Kirk and Foles are on different levels, just based on my eyes. Foles never had me convinced while Cousins looks like the real thing.

My holdup is last years weak schedule and the fact we never beat a team with a winning record. I don't think it was a fluke season exactly but I would say we overachieved. Doubt we take a big enough step forward to be a serious Super Bowl contender this time around. Give it another year and the window will be wide open. Although if Kirk really is legit we should be a playoff contender again[/quote]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000377376/article/nick-foles-growth-has-qb-eagles-facing-skyhigh-expectations"]NFL.com (8/13/2014): Nick Foles' growth has QB, Eagles facing sky-high expectations[/URL]
[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2114168-is-nick-foles-already-a-top-10-quarterback"]Bleacher Report (6/30/2014): Is Nick Foles Already a Top-10 Quarterback?[/URL]
[URL="http://www.4for4.com/fantasy-football/2014/preseason/nick-foles-has-shot-being-fantasy-footballs-1-qb"]4for4.com (7/26/2014): Nick Foles Has a Shot at Being Fantasy Football's #1 QB[/URL]
[URL="https://sidelinesapp.com/item/is-nick-foles-the-next-super-star-quarterback/"](7/24/2014): Is Nick Foles the next Super Star Quarterback ?[/URL]

Fun to look back at the headlines from 2014 and put things in perspective. Their optimism in 2014 seems eerily similar to ours this year for Cousins.

BUT -- Completely agree Cousins seems different completely than Foles. Not a gimmick system, has great weapons / O-line stability / elite TE that should make things stable this year. And most importantly, we have Scott McC as GM instead of crazy Chip Kelly who got rid of the WRs/RBs and destroyed the team.

Meks 05-17-2016 09:56 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
Cousins has been better than Foles since college, foles arm stregnth was always his best asset. Kirks a more cerebral student of the game and athletically he is just fine as well. IMO hes way ahead of foles and will continue to distance himself from these types of qbs

Schneed10 05-18-2016 10:25 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=That Guy;1143800]the offense was good enough until the playoff game where kirk went into super safe mode. so it really hinges on defensive improvement.[/quote]

Kirk did that, or the offensive playcalling overall did that?

I think it was a strategic reaction by Gruden, McVay and Cousins deciding they had to get the ball out quick because the Packers pass rush was all over the place. Clay Matthews and Peppers gave us a hard time.

Which gets to your point about defensive improvement. There's such a difference between teams that bring consistent heat on the passer and teams that don't. We need Galette to wreck shop.

Skinzman 05-18-2016 01:07 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
I think it is safe to say that the window is starting to open. It is certainly not fully open, but its getting there. You dont go from a dysfunctional team to the Super Bowl in one offseason. I think some good steps were made last year, and I believe we will take a few more this year. I like both draft classes from McC, although we havent seen this current one on the field yet so its hard to judge. But on paper, it looks good.

That Guy 05-18-2016 09:14 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=Schneed10;1143810]Kirk did that, or the offensive playcalling overall did that?

I think it was a strategic reaction by Gruden, McVay and Cousins deciding they had to get the ball out quick because the Packers pass rush was all over the place. Clay Matthews and Peppers gave us a hard time.

Which gets to your point about defensive improvement. There's such a difference between teams that bring consistent heat on the passer and teams that don't. We need Galette to wreck shop.[/quote]

i'd have to go back and watch it, but at the time i remember thinking that kirk looked like a guy playing to protect his stats rather than win the game (ie, 5 yard completions on 3rd and 10, etc).

other guys outplayed us, so maybe it's moot, i just remember being a bit disappointed there.

KI Skins Fan 05-19-2016 07:18 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=That Guy;1143841]i'd have to go back and watch it, but [B]at the time i remember thinking that kirk looked like a guy playing to protect his stats rather than win the game[/B] (ie, 5 yard completions on 3rd and 10, etc).

other guys outplayed us, so maybe it's moot, i just remember being a bit disappointed there.[/quote]

Do you still think that? I hope not.

That Guy 05-19-2016 10:19 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=KI Skins Fan;1143845]Do you still think that? I hope not.[/quote]

for that game (only that game) i did. it was like, his personal version of martyball. we're months removed now, and i'm not really going to go find and rewatch a playoff loss just to confirm that.

I don't have any issues with kirk or any hesitation that he's the guy going forward though.

PaRedskins44 05-20-2016 10:32 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
The Redskins have had some tough seasons and very good seasons. As a Redskins fan, I always feel that window of winning is always open to us. Its all on the team to play tough, make plays, and score points. Hope for as many little injury's as possible and make each game as meaningful as it is in a playoff game.

Chico23231 05-20-2016 11:35 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=PaRedskins44;1143908]The Redskins have had some tough seasons and very good seasons. As a Redskins fan, I always feel that window of winning is always open to us. Its all on the team to play tough, make plays, and score points. Hope for as many little injury's as possible and make each game as meaningful as it is in a playoff game.[/quote]

Welcome PA! I always feel the same way...I get pissed if we aren't in the playoffs every year.

Skins4L 05-27-2016 02:16 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
I mean we're on the rise IMO. With the draft we just had.. Doctson is gonna be a stud, Cravens too. Then you add Josh Norman, Vernon Davis, Kendall Reyes. I think we're in good shape as long as Kirk keeps making sure we Like That.

EARTHQUAKE2689 05-28-2016 01:27 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=Schneed10;1143810]Kirk did that, or the offensive playcalling overall did that?

I think it was a strategic reaction by Gruden, McVay and Cousins deciding they had to get the ball out quick because the Packers pass rush was all over the place. Clay Matthews and Peppers gave us a hard time.

Which gets to your point about defensive improvement. There's such a difference between teams that bring consistent heat on the passer and teams that don't. [B]We need Galette to wreck shop[/B].[/quote]

I am like a kid in a candy shop waiting for him to get out there

Hog1 07-12-2016 11:53 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/25587/experts-rank-redskins-as-tops-in-nfc-east-for-the-next-three-years]Experts rank Washington Redskins tops in NFC East for next three years - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Nice.........

skinsfan69 07-12-2016 05:41 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
[quote=Chico23231;1143736][url=http://realredskins.com/2016/05/12/need-to-know-is-the-redskins-window-open/]Need to Know: Is the Redskins’ window open? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Superbowl starting to come into focus??!!

Interesting question poise by Tandler, is it legit? I believe it is based on several things:

1) McCloughan - First the first time during the Snyder Regime, we are finally run like a professional football team in every aspect of the franchise.

2) Cousins - Pro Style QB who learned not only Jay's system but also learned how to lead a team into the playoffs. I don't see a step back and even a plateau wouldn't be a team killer.

3) Romo and Manning are in the back end of their careers and the supporting structures within those squads aren't strong enough to carry the load. IE the defense cant carry the offense or the coaching staffs cant out scheme the deficiencies lacking on the team. Philly is in transition and are generally a mess.

The window opening depends on the improving defense and my guess with the addition of Cravens, Norman, Fuller and Gallette we will certainly see an improvement.


Is the window opening, open, or still closed?[/quote]

I would say it's starting to open. Still a lot of question marks, especially on the d-line and inside lb. The drafted players need to keep progressing plus we need another solid draft next year. Add in a couple free agents in the mix and we're well on our way.

Love how SM is running things. We might have a worse record than last year. 7 or 8 wins could be a possibility. Snyder just needs to stay patient. We're building something here...

I would disagree with Manning. He's still in the prime of his career and has had no injuries. Plus he has one of the best wr's in the game.

TheMalcolmConnection 07-13-2016 09:51 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
I'm also with people saying let's see it one more year. We've seen this song and dance before: win the division only to suck donkey balls the next couple years. This FEELS different and my cynicism is lower than it has been in years, but just need to see it one more year.

punch it in 07-13-2016 10:58 AM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
The window certainly is not painted and rusted shut anymore, but I remain cautiously optimistic.

Schneed10 07-13-2016 12:23 PM

Re: Is the Redskins' Window starting to Open?
 
From the perspective of the way the team is run and the depth we have, I love where we're headed. But taking a step back...

Aaron Rodgers, lots of years left. Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, lots of years left.

It becomes clear how much our window really depends on Cousins. We need him to make those 9 games last year a true new reality. Otherwise the window goes back to shut.


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