Redskins Training Camp '16
 

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/as-redskins-training-camp-begins-joe-barry-and-his-defense-step-into-spotlight/2016/07/27/49dade94-5337-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html[/url]

Good article about Barry and review of the defense at the start of camp. Lotta spots up for grabs.

I'm effing read for camp...who's going?

What will you be watching this training camp...what position battle? Which rookie or free agent?

Who do you have as a sleeper to make the team?

And most important...and it may be a bit early...who is the man crush and your Training Camp Hero for 2016? The guy you will say..."OMG we just cut the a future hall-of-famer"

HTTR!!!

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Lauvao and Doctson on PUP list.
This blows.
Doctson may miss some serious training camp time.
And it looks like Lauvao is still ailing from all those surgeries he had last winter.
:saywhat:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Josh-Doctson-Among-Five-Redskins-Placed-On-PUP-List/8ce53437-d85a-4740-a829-cf75982479f9]Josh Doctson Among Five Redskins Placed On PUP List[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1145029]Lauvao and Doctson on PUP list.
This blows.
Doctson may miss some serious training camp time.
And it looks like Lauvao is still ailing from all those surgeries he had last winter.
:saywhat:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Josh-Doctson-Among-Five-Redskins-Placed-On-PUP-List/8ce53437-d85a-4740-a829-cf75982479f9]Josh Doctson Among Five Redskins Placed On PUP List[/url][/quote]

Not surprised by Riley, Carrier and Lauvao

But Doctson news is extremely disappointing, feel kinda misled by the Skins. Guess why we saw 2 more WR signed, to replace Doctson and Diggs.

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I completely agree with your comment on Doctson, Chico. All along the messaging was that Doctson was just being sidelined out of abundance of caution. Now he's still not ready as camp opens? We need a better update, they can't just keep saying well he has lingering symptoms. No, WTF was the diagnosis, why the F has it taken so long to heal??

Sorry, injuries really piss me off.

:mad:

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1145029]Lauvao and Doctson on PUP list.
This blows.
Doctson may miss some serious training camp time.
And it looks like Lauvao is still ailing from all those surgeries he had last winter.
:saywhat:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Josh-Doctson-Among-Five-Redskins-Placed-On-PUP-List/8ce53437-d85a-4740-a829-cf75982479f9]Josh Doctson Among Five Redskins Placed On PUP List[/url][/quote]

On the sunny side, Jay said that it is probably only a matter of days until Lauvao is ready to go. We also seem to have good backups at his position.

Doctson is a very valuable long-term asset for the Skins but he is not essential for the passing game to be successful starting the season; therefore, they may be proceeding very cautiously with him.

On the shady side, Lauvao has a history of ankle injuries and now he has had major surgeries on both feet! Not good.

Doctson has an achilles injury. OMG, not another one of those!

Take your pick.

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I hope the beat writers like Keim, Jones, others all get that Redskins fans are pretty F'ing frustrated about Doctson, and that they should be pressing the team for a better understanding of the medical side to what has gone on there.

If I were in those press conferences I'm bulldogging a series of questions like:

- why is Doctson still sidelined, was his injury worse than the team initially thought?
- what exactly is the diagnosis, strain? Slight tear?
- what treatment has he received for it? why is it taking so long to recover?
- if there were a game this week, could he play?

There seems to be a shroud of secrecy around this situation, a very frustrating lack of details on the subject. It might be because the writers, team and players have had time off for the last six weeks. Which OK fine. But now it's time to fill in the gaps. This one is highly frustrating to not have the information.

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Im more worried than I was before...think we deserve more of an explanation.

Plus, its damn disappointing for the fans in Richmond...we want to see our first round pick and get the first look at him on the outside and how he matches up.

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are they being extra cautious with Doctson in light of what happened to Junior ?

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This is the battle I want to see:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/25753/redskins-seek-pass-rush-help-from-inexperienced-young-players]Redskins will look to inexperienced young players for pass-rush help - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1145040]This is the battle I want to see:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/25753/redskins-seek-pass-rush-help-from-inexperienced-young-players]Redskins will look to inexperienced young players for pass-rush help - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

yup...agree.

Im really interested in the secondary...first hello, Josh fuckin Norman is in the house. Safety battles as well.

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Per Ian Rapapport:

#Redskins WR Josh Doctson's stay on the PUP list should be very short, I'm told. Mostly procedural.

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We can afford to take it easy with Doctson. I don't see the big deal really.

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[quote=MTK;1145043]We can afford to take it easy with Doctson. I don't see the big deal really.[/quote]

Well I thought it might be a worse injury than initially thought. Or something else was wrong.

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A player has to start off on PUP, can't go on it later on so as mentioned earlier it's probably a procedurally based move more than anything.

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[quote=MTK;1145046]A player has to start off on PUP, can't go on it later on so as mentioned earlier it's probably a procedurally based move more than anything.[/quote]

Agreed, and as was said, we want him to be a long term addition not a recurring injury plagued player. Let him heal and do the right rehab to get on the field. If it goes into the season then it will be a different discussion.

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[quote=MTK;1145046]A player has to start off on PUP, can't go on it later on so as mentioned earlier it's probably a procedurally based move more than anything.[/quote]

If that's all it is then I'm good.

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[url=http://www.richmond.com/redskins-xtra/article_a7951a3a-54dc-11e6-a6f4-97e8d05d6afc.html]ESPN's 'First Take' will film live from Redskins training camp next Thursday - Richmond Times-Dispatch: Redskins XTRA[/url]

ESPN's "First Take," the morning show that pits two sports analysts against each other in a debate format, will film live from Redskins training camp in Richmond, Va., next Thursday, Aug. 4.

The show will film live from 10 a.m. to noon, and feature ESPN personalities Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman.

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[quote=MTK;1145043]We can afford to take it easy with Doctson. I don't see the big deal really.[/quote]

Ditto.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1145005]What will you be watching this training camp...what position battle? Which rookie or free agent?

Who do you have as a sleeper to make the team?

And most important...and it may be a bit early...who is the man crush and your Training Camp Hero for 2016? The guy you will say..."OMG we just cut the a future hall-of-famer"

HTTR!!![/QUOTE]Here’s looking at camp:

Offense:
Not worried about the offense really. I expect the passing game to be the strength of the offense and team and expect them to be a top 15 unit overall.
RBs-My concern level isn't high for the run game because I don't expect much from the run game and I don't think this scheme really require nor facilitates a strong run game. In my view whatever we get form the running game I consider to be gravy. Jones should be better based on more experience, holding on to the ball and better blocking on the edge. If I’m Jones, I would be very nervous about Keith Marshall. ‘When healthy….dude is a stud….but when is he healthy?’

Center-how is with the starting unit, who rotates in (and in what order) and how they look
WRs/TEs-Not gonna be focused on them much because they're already loaded for bear. Will watch for TEs blocking the edge tho.

Doctson. He was my favorite receiver in the draft, interested in how thy use him and he looks against press, coming out of his breaks, gaining separation, confidence etc. I wonder if they’ll start phasing Garcon out if Doc is ready to roll.


Defense:
I’ll be most focused on this side of the ball. I’m concerned with the the front 7: run defense, pass rush and coverage. I think the secondary will be the best unit on defense by a wide margin followed by the starting OLBs/edge rush.
I might be alone in the thought that the DL took a step backwards going from Knighton to Golston and Hatcher to Paea/Reyes. Our interior pass rush was only average last year and Hatcher provided a lot of that rush. Now with the loss of Junior there isn’t anyone to pencil in that is expected to compensate for the loss of rush. DL is going to be key whether or not someone steps up at the NT spot and whether Paea can stay healthy and play like the player we expected when he signed. Baker is solid both in against the run and provides rush, Ricky Jean is a solid run stopper at DE the rest are question marks.
I’m not as high on Compton as most. He filled in decent for a back-up player but that’s exactly how I view a solid back-up. I don’t think he’s stout enough vs the run and imo the run defense was a major issue. Foster can thump and Riley when healthy get’s downhill with aggression.

My sleeper/one to watch in camp is Stehpen Daniels. When looking at Daniels on film he looks like a downhill thumper that relishes contact and isn’t shy about taking on a block. I couldn’t tell the difference between him and Ragland and in fact net-net I thought Daniels was the better player. If there is one player I expect to make a name for themselves in camp/preseason its Daniels.

I was very pumped for Su’a Cravens but hearing talk of him playing WILB dampens my enthusiasm for him. I want them to play him at SS. Let him get comfortable and find a home their and let him wreck havoc.

I expect a huge uptick in performance at FS going from Dash to Hall and I expect David Bruton to be a physical tone setter at SS. Amped up for Josh+Breeland those guys are going to be the strength of the defense. Hopefully we can generate enough pass rush that those guys can make plays.

I’m curious who is gonna man the NB/slot corner spot though.

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Nickel Corner maybe the best competition in all of camp...good call.

Im worried about RB, cause we need to run the damn ball right this year. Pierre Thomas needs to be signed

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Pass rush is so crucial for this team. My eyes will be squarely on Preston Smith. How does he look against Trent?

He was said to look great in minicamp. If he gives Trent some trouble then I'll let myself start to get excited.

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Doc will be fine, we are stacked at the WR pos and TE we will be ok

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[quote=Chico23231;1145062]Nickel Corner maybe the best competition in all of camp...good call.

Im worried about RB, cause we need to run the damn ball right this year. Pierre Thomas needs to be signed[/quote]

We are not going to be able to run the ball that well. We are weak at center and left guard. Lich pretty much gets thrown around by every nose tackle in the NFL. Not only that but what happens when Jones gets hurt? It's only a matter of time before he does. The strength is the QB, wr's and TE.

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The injury to Doc is concerning. He's had 6 weeks to get himself right and still can't practice. This seems like it's going to be an issue all season long.

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I was really hoping he would have the benefit of a full camp.....

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I'm predicting Houston Bates steps up big this year! He flashed well in pre-season last year.

Athletic, high motor....with a year under his belt, he comes in more prepared and knowing damned well he can do it at the highest level.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1145069]We are not going to be able to run the ball that well. We are weak at center and left guard. Lich pretty much gets thrown around by every nose tackle in the NFL. Not only that but what happens when Jones gets hurt? It's only a matter of time before he does. The strength is the QB, wr's and TE.[/quote]

I hope your wrong because putting the weight of the offense on cousins vs a tougher schedule could be bad. I think McC wants to run the ball effectively and I think we will based on having better blocking with our TEs. This was a killer last year. Your right, kory was effing terrible last year...left guard run blocking took a hit when Lauvao went down. I think left guard will be better...Kory has a small chance to be decent.

I really think McC wants to run better.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1145069]We are not going to be able to run the ball that well. We are weak at center and left guard. Lich pretty much gets thrown around by every nose tackle in the NFL. Not only that but what happens when Jones gets hurt? It's only a matter of time before he does. The strength is the QB, wr's and TE.[/quote]

I dont think the run game is going to be as terrible as some are predicting, I think Jones and Marshall will surprise people, in particularly Marshall

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/25795/desean-jackson-josh-norman-provide-fun-matchup-in-redskins-camp]DeSean Jackson-Josh Norman a fun matchup in Washington Redskins camp - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Love hearing this:

Bashaud Breeland's development continues to impress, so when he faces Pierre Garcon, it’s a must-watch as well. ▪
I want to explore this more later, but it’s been interesting to watch Breeland’s development. I’ve always thought he was a smart corner and good learner. But watching him Thursday I recalled how he used to hold quite a bit his rookie year, especially in practices. A key was getting him to keep his hands down. Well, Thursday, that’s what he did: When facing Garcon, his hands were low and down around the receiver’s hips: not visible to officials, and it lessens the desire to hold. Smart.[B] Breeland looked really good, and coach Perry Fewell was probably as enthusiastic about him during practice as any player.[/B]

Breeland is an unsung corner...had a great year in 15 and has lockdown potential

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If Norman and Breeland can play like we expect, that will help every aspect of our defense. If Cravens comes in and can help take away the TE outlets, our Defense could really be top notch.

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[quote=30gut;1145061]

Defense:
I’ll be most focused on this side of the ball. I’m concerned with the the front 7: run defense, pass rush and coverage. I think the secondary will be the best unit on defense by a wide margin followed by the starting OLBs/edge rush.
I might be alone in the thought that the DL took a step backwards going from Knighton to Golston and Hatcher to Paea/Reyes. Our interior pass rush was only average last year and Hatcher provided a lot of that rush. Now with the loss of Junior there isn’t anyone to pencil in that is expected to compensate for the loss of rush. DL is going to be key whether or not someone steps up at the NT spot and whether Paea can stay healthy and play like the player we expected when he signed. Baker is solid both in against the run and provides rush, Ricky Jean is a solid run stopper at DE the rest are question marks.
I’m not as high on Compton as most. He filled in decent for a back-up player but that’s exactly how I view a solid back-up. I don’t think he’s stout enough vs the run and imo the run defense was a major issue. Foster can thump and Riley when healthy get’s downhill with aggression.
[/quote]

Agreed.
I feel our DL will be just slightly weaker than last year, even though Knighton wasn't especially astonishing last year, to say the least...

But what I really want to know is when will Riley Jr be back? I'd feel more secure if we could rely on him at ILB cause Foster and Compton did good work there but we don't know how Su'a will adapt.

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so much for cautionary:

[url=http://www.scout.com/nfl/redskins/story/1690448-cooley-mccloughan-punched-wall-over-doctson]Cooley: Scot McCloughan punched wall over initial Josh Doctson injury diagnosis - Washington - Scout[/url]

Here's the story. McCloughan was interviewed by ESPN 980 radio hosts Chris Cooley and Kevin Sheehan Thursday for a segment that aired Friday, The bandaged hand showed as well.

"He was sitting next to me, his hand was swollen and it was bandaged up and taped together," Cooley said.

The former Redskins tight end, not wanting to create an awkward situation during the interview, waited to ask about the apparent injury when McCloughan exited.

[B][U]According to Cooley, McCloughan said he received a call from one of the Redskins team doctors informing him that Doctson could be out for the next three months.[/U][/B] The timeframe of this conversation was unclear, though Doctson missed most of Washington's offseason workouts in May and June.

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Guess you didn't read the rest of the article.

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[quote=MTK;1145107]Guess you didn't read the rest of the article.[/quote]

Yeah, still noteworthy. Like McC, I get frustrated with injuries.

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Rookie wr's seem to be the ones that have the toughest time adjusting to the pro game. He's missing valuable reps that he badly needs.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1145103]Agreed.
I feel our DL will be just slightly weaker than last year, even though Knighton wasn't especially astonishing last year, to say the least...

But what I really want to know is when will Riley Jr be back? I'd feel more secure if we could rely on him at ILB cause Foster and Compton did good work there but we don't know how Su'a will adapt.[/quote]

Perry Riley is one of the more overrated players on the team.

He can't cover and has a really difficult time shedding blocks and getting to the ball.

His collisions with the blockers are just as epic as his steely gaze watching the ball carrier run past him.

Do you all believe he is a lock to make the roster with his cap number?

[url=http://overthecap.com/player/perry-riley/1452/]Perry Riley Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url]

He is making starter money and is likely to be a back up.

The best thing going for Riley to make the team isn't his talent, but rather the lack of experienced depth at the position.

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If Riley is not a starter, they will either cut him, or renegotiate his contract.... if he balks, he is gone

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1145118]Perry Riley is one of the more overrated players on the team.

He can't cover and has a really difficult time shedding blocks and getting to the ball.

His collisions with the blockers are just as epic as his steely gaze watching the ball carrier run past him.

Do you all believe he is a lock to make the roster with his cap number?

[url=http://overthecap.com/player/perry-riley/1452/]Perry Riley Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url]

He is making starter money and is likely to be a back up.

The best thing going for Riley to make the team isn't his talent, but rather the lack of experienced depth at the position.[/quote]


You know, I'm looking to see what kind of impact Daniels and Spaight can make in camp. Can they pressure the starters of Compton and Foster? I believe it's a realistic possibility they can. Damn, I can't wait to get down to camp

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You live in.....F..n Richmond and you're Not at camp?????
....damn

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1145118]Perry Riley is one of the more overrated players on the team.

He can't cover and has a really difficult time shedding blocks and getting to the ball.

His collisions with the blockers are just as epic as his steely gaze watching the ball carrier run past him.

Do you all believe he is a lock to make the roster with his cap number?

[url=http://overthecap.com/player/perry-riley/1452/]Perry Riley Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url]

He is making starter money and is likely to be a back up.

The best thing going for Riley to make the team isn't his talent, but rather the lack of experienced depth at the position.[/quote]


Honestly... I hadn't check the numbers. Yeah we can agree he's a bit overpaid, especially when you consider he wasn't far better than Foster and Compton. But I remember him making some plays and I feel like we don't have tons of depht at ILB.