Skins vs. Steelers Positives and Negatives
 

Let's start it off with sdskinsfan2001's post from the gameday thread:

Positives:

We still have 15 more games.

Negatives:

No running game
No stopping the run
No stopping the pass
No pass rush
Bad QB play
Tons of penalties
Bad coaching on offense and defense

[I]My comments:

Well said, sdskinsfan. That sums things up perfectly while sparing us the gory details. OK, that should do it for the positives and negatives for this week. On to Dallas week!

No, no I'm just kidding. First, I want for all of us to have an opportunity to vent our anger and wallow in our self-pity. But just for today, OK? It's a short week (Thank Goodness!). Personally, I want to be very specific and no doubt unfair in my comments.

[U]Positives[/U]

1. Positives? Positives?!!! That was one stink'in super turd of a game!
2. No serious injuries.

[U]Negatives[/U]

1. Poor coaching.

- The Steelers had one, just one, WR who could beat us and yet Joe Barry couldn't find some way to put our zillion dollar All-Pro CB on him to try to shut him down? Horrible coaching!

- I was licking my chops in anticipation of all the ways Joe Barry was going to use our Secret Weapon, S'ua Cravens, to disrupt the Steelers offense. But, NO! Fail!

- There was much more poor coaching in this game, but I don't want to have an aneurism, so you folks can take over from here.

2. Poor play.

- Where was the safety help for poor Beshaud Breeland? Our safeties suck! S'ua Cravens needs to start at SS.

- How could our O-Line have so many procedure penalties in our own damn stadium? The numerous off-sides and holding penalties hurt our offense throughout the game.

- Our D-Line is pathetic. Shame on you, Scot, for not doing something about our crappy DL personnel in the off-season!

- RB pass protection. Are you kidding me? That little, tiny 3rd Down back of ours couldn't block my hunch-backed granny! Hey, Scot! Yes, you again. Please get off your ass and bring in a real, actual NFL veteran RB to help us out.

- I've got to get back on Kory L.'s case. As far as I know, there is no pass play designed for the C to be pushed back into the QB's lap. I'll say it once more, we need to start either Long or Reiter at C.

- I have to stop now, for health reasons. You can take over. [/I]

Skins vs. Steelers Positives and Negatives
 

We got outclassed by a team that should be in the SB conversation in the AFC.

A lot of work to do on our end, but we've got too many weapons on offense to not get it going.

Defensively I don't understand not using your best corner of their best WR all day long.

Too many penalties, obviously.

Plenty of adjustments are needed on both sides of the ball.

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Same shit different season.

We make a playoff game like every 3 years and that playoff game sets us back at least 2 or 3 seasons. The RGIII playoff game with his knee and last years now gives us basically one of the toughest schedules in the NFL.

I could have taken a lost last night i actually expected it but a ass whopping is what has me fawking mad today.

Just a shit team.

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[quote=MTK;1147593]We got outclassed by a team that should be in the SB conversation in the AFC.

A lot of work to do on our end, but we've got too many weapons on offense to not get it going.

Defensively I don't understand not using your best corner of their best WR all day long.

Too many penalties, obviously.

Plenty of adjustments are needed on both sides of the ball.[/quote]
We got our ass beat not just outclassed. We can't hang with the GB and Pitts of the league at all.

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Poaitives:
no injuries

Negatives:
Breeland manned up on brown
Cousins
Refs not giving us the turnover
No run game


Just a shit show after the first 10 minutes.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1147593]We got outclassed by a team that should be in the SB conversation in the AFC.

A lot of work to do on our end, but we've got too many weapons on offense to not get it going.

Defensively I don't understand not using your best corner of their best WR all day long.

Too many penalties, obviously.

Plenty of adjustments are needed on both sides of the ball.[/QUOTE]
2-15 on MNF at home... Horrible.

Pitt is great and will be a top 4 team once again this season. AB is stupid good and wait until bell comes back.. Big Ben is playing at an MVP level. They are just clearly better than us and we as fans just didn't realize it until last night. Luckily for us we can start over against a Dallas team with a rookie QB and RB at home Sunday. If we are the best in the east we have to win that game.

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McC stated in the offseason he wanted to get better at running the ball and get better at stopping the run. So I think that's still our Achilles heel

We cant rely on Cousins to put the ball up 40 times a game...that's just not smart football

Kory L is top 3 worst centers in the league

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[quote=Chico23231;1147601]McC stated in the offseason he wanted to get better at running the ball and get better at stopping the run. So I think that's still our Achilles heel

We cant rely on Cousins to put the ball up 40 times a game...that's just not smart football

Kory L is top 3 worst centers in the league[/quote]

Well he didn't accomplish any of that. Letting Aflmo walk is starting to look dumb.

I would seriously consider bringing in Rice for a look.

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Kirk threw an interception to a dude with no eyebrows. 7th sign of the apocalypse. :Smoker:

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I'm already over it, luckily I'm not too surprised seeing as though we blow balls on mnf like seriously wtf??? 2-15 at fedex on Mondays.... We have a prime time curse on us or something.

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Positives: No injuries. The receiving core looked pretty good for the most part, no help from Cousins. Hopkins still looks sharp, fingers crossed. Redskins tend to be cursed with kickers; 1 good season then a complete fall off a cliff. Hoping he's actually our franchise kicker (???)

Negatives: Literally everything else. The coaching was completely absent, Gruden has the balls of a fetus in utero, Barry is Gruden's fetal eunuch twin, Cousins was replaced by Mr. Magoo, the d-line played like a bunch of high schoolers (that may be an insult to some decent high school teams), Chris Thompson did better than Matt Jones who just looks slow, but granted he was running behind a center who I'd be surprised could do more than 2 bench press reps and a $3 bootleg dvd LG.

/rant over

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Preston Smith had some good pressures last night, he was the only guy really doing anything along the line. We had a ton of guys get themselves out of position on the running plays, really poor discipline. I think Breeland did ok against Brown, the best your gonna do against him is 50/50. He needed more safety help, and they always seemed to be a few yards away.

I'm really hoping they were just super rusty, and they shake it off fast.

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Off topic but the NFL just announced the skins will wear gold on gold for color rush...

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[quote=Evilgrin;1147615]Preston Smith had some good pressures last night, he was the only guy really doing anything along the line. We had a ton of guys get themselves out of position on the running plays, really poor discipline. I think Breeland did ok against Brown, the best your gonna do against him is 50/50. [B]He needed more safety help, and they always seemed to be a few yards away.[/B]

I'm really hoping they were just super rusty, and they shake it off fast.[/quote]
Maybe that is why Norman was yelling at Bruton.
[url=http://nesn.com/2016/09/josh-norman-gets-into-fight-with-redskins-teammate-vs-steelers/]Josh Norman Gets Into Fight With Redskins Teammate In Loss Vs. Steelers | NFL | NESN.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=Evilgrin;1147615]Preston Smith had some good pressures last night, he was the only guy really doing anything along the line. We had a ton of guys get themselves out of position on the running plays, really poor discipline. I think Breeland did ok against Brown, the best your gonna do against him is 50/50. He needed more safety help, and they always seemed to be a few yards away.



I'm really hoping they were just super rusty, and they shake it off fast.[/QUOTE]


Breeland got smoked, did he make any plays at all on Brown?

Corners get beat, it happens, especially against the best in the biz. But Breeland had a flat out bad game.

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[B][U][SIZE="3"]Positives:[/SIZE][/U][/B][LIST][*]No injuries.[*]It's only one game. This week is a must win though.[*]Kicking game looked solid.[*]DeSean Jackson looked good.[/LIST]



[B][U][SIZE="3"]Negatives:
[/SIZE][/U][/B]
[LIST][*]Offense was pure dog shit. No running game still. 3/10 on third down conversions.[*]Shit coaching. These guys were clueless in the game planning. (especially defensively)[*]Penalties. Seemed like this was the 5th pre-season game. No discipline whatsoever.[*]Our center is trash.[*]No pass rush whatsoever which goes along with the next point.[*]Our DL is pure shit. If Kedrick Gholston is starting, you know you are in deep shit. It showed last night.[*]Kirk Cousins proved the doubters right as to why we shouldn't have signed him to a huge contract. Guy has to do much better than that crap he showed last night.[/LIST]

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TOTALLY OUTCOACHED!!!! also the redskins don't have the Push on the d line to beat any good team. the cowboys are gonna have a field day with us. fortunately we did not sign Cousins to any long term deal because he looked very average..SM has made a good decision on letting this year play out on Cousins. I WANT to see him beat good teams!! his record against good teams is not good.. how many playoff teams has Cousins beat? COWBOYS 42 skins 10 ...it pains me to say it......

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KC still looks like the bright lights get to him. That's the next step he needs to take, he's gotta show up in big games.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1147622]KC still looks like the bright lights get to him. That's the next step he needs to take, he's gotta show up in big games.[/QUOTE]
Yeah last night he was not any good. His numbers were better than his performance. There is no excuses, he has a good line and great targets. Reed was balling until the defense took him away. Kirk has to move around more too, Jon was right when he said kirk has to take off for those few yards on 3rd down. That's what is most concerning to me and it also shows y Scot didn't sign him right away.

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Dustin Hopkins is the only positive.

Negatives...

Joe Barry..I've seen enough to know he isn't going to take an average group and make them better.

Breeland..not sure I can blame him more than the coaches. They let him down.

Cousins...you're not a top ten qb right now. When are you going to play a great game against a strong team??

Kerrigan..you're just an average pass rusher dude.

Thompson ...can't pass protect for shit, can't run a route past the first down marker.

Entire dline...no talent, no play makers.

Penalties..a sign of an undisciplined team.

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Not sure what anyone saw from the Cowboys that makes you believe they're just going to steamroll us. It's a new week, things change in a hurry these days. Chill bra.

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Lol Dallas isn't rolling anyone, I watched that whole game and both of those teams would have lost last night too. Ny still has no oline and Dallas has no pass rush. The Steelers would have got them just like they did us.

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9-7 wins the east again this yr and it will be between us and NY IMO.

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[quote=MTK;1147626]Not sure what anyone saw from the Cowboys that makes you believe they're just going to steamroll us. It's a new week, things change in a hurry these days. Chill bra.[/quote]

Its not what Dallas did ..its how bad our D is . I am tired of the high expectations of this team so from now on I will just expect to lose ...I stand by my prediction Cowboys win in a blow out ..hopefully I am wrong.

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Negatives: kerrigan trying to pick up fumble on their ten when we had early momentum. Huge turning point. Huge.
Penalties - i think everyone on our offense had an offsides. At home? Wow.
The first td pass to Brown sailed right through Breelands hands. Gotta make that play.
Our inability to go vertical. Wtf happened to our passing game last night?
Run D.
Defensive in game adjustments.
Cousins - awful game. Hope that is a result of not playing much at all in the preseason. His timing was way off.

Positives: we dont face Ben n Brown again - they are lethal.
We will still win the East.
It is early. We will get rolling.
No injuries that I am aware off.

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I like Compton...but he still can be slow to the hole when attacking the running game...he not quick change direction guy either. I saw that last year

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I'll only focus on the positives:

Hopkins
PSmith
DJax
A Doctson sighting

By the way, the Steelers under rated OL are a bunch of beasts. Villanueva 6'9", Foster (must weigh 400lb) DeCastro, Pouncey. Kicked our Dlines ass!! We could not stop their slot receiver (Rogers).

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1147635]I'll only focus on the positives:

Hopkins
PSmith
DJax
A Doctson sighting

By the way, the Steelers under rated OL are a bunch of beasts. Villanueva 6'9", Foster (must weigh 400lb) DeCastro, Pouncey. [B]Kicked our Dlines ass!![/B] We could not stop their slot receiver (Rogers).[/quote]

Why is it I sense that this won't be the last time I read that here this season?

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1147635]I'll only focus on the positives:



Hopkins

PSmith

DJax

A Doctson sighting



By the way, the Steelers under rated OL are a bunch of beasts. Villanueva 6'9", Foster (must weigh 400lb) DeCastro, Pouncey. Kicked our Dlines ass!! We could not stop their slot receiver (Rogers).[/QUOTE]



How dare you focus on the positives when the sky is falling. This 2 win or less team (someone actually said that last night) does not deserve a positive post!
Its over! Burn it down! Run for the hills! Fire everything! Ahhhhhh!

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I think it had alot to do with big Ben. Any other qb is on his ass a couple more times last night. What about that long throw he made under serious pressure to keep one of their scoring drives alive. Yes their oline played well but Big Ben is like a 6th lineman playing quarterback. I wouldn't rush to judgement about our dline quite yet.

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Positives were

Hopkins
Trent and Brandon.
Djax, Reed, crowded and garcon for that recovery.
Josh Norman who didn't allow a catch while on AB. That's damn impressive.
Kerrigan for the strip but u gotta lay on it man.

That's all I got.

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[quote=mredskins;1147603]Well he didn't accomplish any of that. Letting Aflmo walk is starting to look dumb.

[B]I would seriously consider bringing in Rice for a look.[/B][/quote]

Good idea! At least he's proven that he can beat somebody.

(I feel a little shame for saying that.)

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1147639]I think it had alot to do with big Ben. Any other qb is on his ass a couple more times last night. What about that long throw he made under serious pressure to keep one of their scoring drives alive. Yes their oline played well but Big Ben is like a 6th lineman playing quarterback. I wouldn't rush to judgement about our dline quite yet.[/QUOTE]
Ben is a HOF QB for a reason, he's a baller and always has been. I agree I think everyone is way overreacting to a loss especially when it's a top 3 team in the NFL.

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I don't think we need to bring Rice in...maybe bring in Stork again if he can pass physical and show a willingness to want to play again. Or maybe just game plan to run the ball.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1147642]Ben is a HOF QB for a reason, he's a baller and always has been. I agree I think everyone is way overreacting to a loss especially when it's a top 3 team in the NFL.

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We gotta vent a little today after that shit show. We can move on in a day or two.

It was the poor coaching and self-inflicted wounds that pissed me off the most. Big Ben didn't make us false start repeatedly on offense, for example.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1147644]We gotta vent a little today after that shit show. We can move on in a day or two.[/QUOTE]
Fair

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Also, Pittsburg didn't have to blitz much last night...no run game, a 4 man pass rush allows them to sit back in Zone and chill.

When we saw this, we should have put Cousins under center, 2 TE sets...run the ball and work play action out of them.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1147592]Let's start it off with sdskinsfan2001's post from the gameday thread:

Positives:

We still have 15 more games.

Negatives:

No running game
No stopping the run
No stopping the pass
No pass rush
Bad QB play
Tons of penalties
Bad coaching on offense and defense

[I]My comments:

Well said, sdskinsfan. That sums things up perfectly while sparing us the gory details. OK, that should do it for the positives and negatives for this week. On to Dallas week!

No, no I'm just kidding. First, I want for all of us to have an opportunity to vent our anger and wallow in our self-pity. But just for today, OK? It's a short week (Thank Goodness!). Personally, I want to be very specific and no doubt unfair in my comments.

[U]Positives[/U]

1. Positives? Positives?!!! That was one stink'in super turd of a game!
2. No serious injuries.

[U]Negatives[/U]

1. Poor coaching.

- The Steelers had one, just one, WR who could beat us and yet Joe Barry couldn't find some way to put our zillion dollar All-Pro CB on him to try to shut him down? Horrible coaching!

- I was licking my chops in anticipation of all the ways Joe Barry was going to use our Secret Weapon, S'ua Cravens, to disrupt the Steelers offense. But, NO! Fail!

- There was much more poor coaching in this game, but I don't want to have an aneurism, so you folks can take over from here.

2. Poor play.

[B]- Where was the safety help for poor Beshaud Breeland? Our safeties suck! S'ua Cravens needs to start at SS.
[/B]
- How could our O-Line have so many procedure penalties in our own damn stadium? The numerous off-sides and holding penalties hurt our offense throughout the game.

- Our D-Line is pathetic. Shame on you, Scot, for not doing something about our crappy DL personnel in the off-season!

- RB pass protection. Are you kidding me? That little, tiny 3rd Down back of ours couldn't block my hunch-backed granny! Hey, Scot! Yes, you again. Please get off your ass and bring in a real, actual NFL veteran RB to help us out.

- I've got to get back on Kory L.'s case. As far as I know, there is no pass play designed for the C to be pushed back into the QB's lap. I'll say it once more, we need to start either Long or Reiter at C.

- I have to stop now, for health reasons. You can take over. [/I][/quote]

no kidding . . . regardless of who you have covering Antonio Brown how do you not give him help? . . . Especially when the other team has multiple WR's out for the game? . . . geesh

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1147646]Also, Pittsburg didn't have to blitz much last night...no run game, a 4 man pass rush allows them to sit back in Zone and chill.



When we saw this, we should have put Cousins under center, 2 TE sets...run the ball and work play action out of them.[/QUOTE]



They bought in a three TE set at one point which worked briefly. But YES Cousins should have extended plays earlier when they were rushing 3. There was more than one play where he could have jogged for ten yards with Pitt dropping 8 in coverage. He was playing as if they were blitzing when they weren't. Not much thinking on his feet last night, more like he was just going through the motions of what they practiced and trying not to make a mistake. He did not even sniff what they were giving him. But its ok. It is week one and he did not play alot of preseason at all. Remember game two he did not even play a snap. He will come around.

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Venting is needed and natural but I'm going to focus on the things that make for go-forward concerns as opposed to situational things:

- I'm concerned about the coaching capabilities of our defensive coaching staff. I keep hearing it's "easier said than done" to match your best CB up with the best WR, and it causes communication issues, etc. Well other teams can do it, why can't we? We can't figure that out?

- 'Steiger is physically overmatched. That's not news, but it's also not going to get better.

- I'm actually not concerned with Breeland. On the first TD to Brown he was in position to not only cover, but make the pick. He just missed it. The fact that he hung with Brown there was a good thing because he'll at least knock that ball away 9 times out of 10. That was just the 1 out of 10 last night.

- I am actually quite concerned that DeAngelo Hall couldn't get over the top for the help on Brown on that same play. He was in the deep middle but reacted a step late to the deep ball to Brown. He didn't get there in time. He looks pretty good in run support but we are still limited at free safety from the center-fielder perspective.

- Cousins was nervous as shit in the beginning of the game. That's the one intangible piece about him that gives me pause. Everything else is good, the preparation, the intelligence, the toughness. But he exhibited a lot of jumpiness and anxiety in the first quarter, and he missed several throws because of it. He settled in, and he needs to settle in faster going forward.

- We don't appear to have gotten better at running the ball or defending the run. Our personnel is the same pretty much, which makes you scratch your head at McCloughan. But it also makes me concerned about our coaching staff on both sides of the ball. If they can't coach up any improvement then WTF?

- Weapons are great. DJax had a game. Reed was reliable. Garcon was reliable. Crowder was reliable. No news there.

- But I'm very concerned that the Steelers respected our running game so little that they chose to drop 7 or 8 into zone. Our coaches need to get the running game figured out. They have Trent and Scherff, two extremely high picks there. And it's not like Moses and Lauvao are devoid of capability. I put the poor running performance on coaching more than I do on personnel and it needs to get better.