Skins-Cowboys Post Game Thread
 

Where to start? Kirk attending the "Ian Desmond school of playing yourself out of a long term contract" with your maddening inconsistency. Why was it so easy second half of last year? Why can't that carry over? Why so undecisive and easily rattled by pressure? How do you miss Church in the red zone like that? Btw that deep ball to Doctson is a td if you hit him in stride, but you underthrew him because you were clearly off point from overthrowing Djax early in the game.

Lichtensteiger, you '98 Altima with the worn out clutch, you. I need a word to describe the opposite of clutch, and that's what I got.

Breeland, iheartyou but your confidence is clearly low right now, so either he gets permanent over the top help until he's ready or he plays second fiddle and lets Norman line up wherever he wants. Either way, make the adjustment Joe Barry.

McC, i want to heart you as well but man our d-line is brutal. I realize it's luck when the player you want falls to you and is not only the BPA but fills a need, but the d-line was and still continues to be a weakness, much like Kory L. Yes I say this knowing how many injuries we have, but that still lies on the GM.

Deshaun Phillips, you and Breeland gotta do something because you welcomed the challenge of covering Cole Beasley yet everytime I see you you're making the tackle after giving up the catch. No bueno. Secondary was supposed to be a strength.

Matt Jones, you could be great someday, but I am still unimpressed. Maybe the playcalling needs to be better, maybe our line prefers the zone blocking scheme, but as many yards as you got today I still see a nonphysical guy who isn't much of a slasher either. Even if we keep him we could still afford an upgrade, I like Chris Thompson in a third down role but he's not much of a rush threat as he is a checkdown/blocking option on third down.

Playcalling, I'm looking at you Sean "only calls fades in the red zone" Mcvay. Come on man.

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Bad play calling on 1st and goal, run the fucking ball. And why isn't our rookie RB not playing? They have to quit being pussies and see what
He
Can do.

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Only got to watch the second half, but it was enough to show that NFL officiating is as bad as ever. Either that or Jerry spent a lot of cash.

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Sean mcvay is a soft bitch. Fuck him and gruden for the offense game plan

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It's no surprise like I said, skins do this to us all the time. Play calling in the red zone is horrendous, kirk is obvious with his reads, defense blows. Only Norman has shown up this yr in the secondary. No run game, no run def. We will be 6-10 at best

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I actually thought defense showed some heart and we're going hard at a good Oline. Our front seven has its limitations, but I saw Trent Murphy, Kerrigan, Cravens and foster flying around. Hood and baker were playing with leverage too.

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Offensive talent is there minus QB and C. How does the center already have 3 false starts in2 games, including causing a 10 second runoff today? Then the next play Cousins throws the hail mary out of the end zone. C'mon man. Those 2 plays perfectly sum up how they have both performed this year.

Cousins literally has no idea how to throw the ball down the field. He missed 2, underthrew 1, then also had the above hail mary. All not good throws.

Give Jones the damn ball 25 times next game. Give it a damn shot. Cousins doesn't need 40-50 pass attempts.

If we don't win next week, with this schedule, the season is over.

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Call Bryan stork today and see if he can pass a physical. Kory is done. No one way should he see the field ever again

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[quote=Chico23231;1148472]Call Bryan stork today and see if he can pass a physical. Kory is done. No one way should he see the field ever again[/quote]

It was almost comical because someone in the game thread asked what new creative way we would find to blow the game. And that false start/runoff effectively ended the game. And that was a new one. Wouldn't have predicted it.

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Guys we won't beat NY lol they are much improved in defense, yeah their O isn't that great but they'll still beat us. We are going backwards.

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Plenty of blame to go around...

KC...nothing more needs to be said. It ain't good enough.

Gruden...I'd be in both your coordinators faces this week. They both need ass chewings. Nick Saban style.

McVay....KC is not Tom Brady. Let's try and have more balance. Awful calls with those fades.

Barry..if I were Gruden, I would have yanked the play sheet from him, taken his headphones, called him an Uber and told him his services are no longer wanted. No need to come for your things, we'll send your stuff in a box from Redskin Park.

Breeland. You look like a scared bitch. You look lost. Man up and quit playing soft.

SM...you seriously fucked up with the d-line.

Norman. I was wrong about you. You're worth the money. You play like a man out there. You play like you care.

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C'mon Kirk, I really don't want to have to start researching college qbs after only the 3rd game of the season. Get it together.

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It's pretty much the same story we've had for the past 20 years or so after a decent season. Expectations are high even though questions always remain on the talent of our team. This year is no different. Kirk Cousins is a good quarterback, but he has to be a quarterback who can play good for 16 games. Can't be a guy who takes 7 or 8 games each season before it starts to click with him. We, as fans, deserve better than that! Don't we? I like Kirk Cousins. I liked RGIII. But neither were/are franchise quarterbacks. I realize the sentiment is, "We just want to be consistently good!" Well, fuck that! I want a Super Bowl champion. I want a team other teams fear. I want a team that other fans get tired of watching, because we win all the time. You guys need to be fuckin' tired of being losers all the time. It hurts. Especially when your most hated rival beats you in your own stadium. I realize the cooler heads will post tomorrow and say all the right things, "14 more games left, it's a long season folks, anything can happen." It doesn't take a psychic to see this team is going to be a losing team this season. For fuck's sake, look at our schedule. Look at how easy the Cowboys were able to run on this team today. Look at how a rookie quarterback looked against our team today. Look at the crucial INT in the endzone Cousins had. Look at how unbalanced our offense is. The boneheaded mistake our center made that cost us a decent chance at winning the game.

Folks, we as fans deserve more than this. We have one life to live, and we've chosen to be Redskins fans. Our time on this earth is precious. Some of us might not have another 20 years to wait until this club gets its shit together. Do you want to spend it waiting for another NFC East championship? Because right now, that is the very best you are going to get. I believe in Scot McCloughan, but he's got to have total control if this team has any shot at turning itself around. There cannot be any regression. There cannot be any $75m cornerback playing only one side of the ball all the time. There can't be a quarterback under throwing and over throwing wide open receivers all the time. Can't be coaches not knowing how to call a balanced game and run the damn football. We've forgotten how it felt to have a winning team. Some of us here never have felt that before.

Anyway, we don't need to blow the team up. Scot has added some qualithy players and depth in positions. We just need someone who knows how to lead the team. We need, for once, to have all the missing pieces in place. It's not this year folks.

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I think we know what we have in Cousins now. Not sure if you put in McCoy or put Sudfield in there to see if it can spark the offense.

Breeland is total garbage he needs to be cut.

Not going to win many games with our defense. May not win any. It is horrible. No justifiable reason to play Cousins at this point going forward. He can stay here if he wants to be a backup at a small salary.

Gruden is probably on the hot seat, and he should be. I think he gets canned if we start the season 0-4 or 0-5. Firing him in the season won't matter.

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Lich...Seriously, they tried to replace him with Stork, then they cut his pay. No wonder he's playing like a " 98 Altima with a worn out clutch" ...LMAO.

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Josh Norman is clearly the best player on the defense, 2nd best on the team. He's worth the $$ and is in his prime that's a huge deal for us. So much for breeland and his great OS lol he's toast

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1148481]I think we know what we have in Cousins now. Not sure if you put in McCoy or put Sudfield in there to see if it can spark the offense.

Breeland is total garbage he needs to be cut.

Not going to win many games with our defense. May not win any. It is horrible. No justifiable reason to play Cousins at this point going forward. He can stay here if he wants to be a backup at a small salary.

Gruden is probably on the hot seat, and he should be. I think he gets canned if we start the season 0-4 or 0-5. Firing him in the season won't matter.[/quote]

I am sorry, but you are better than this BS post. Cousins is the starter all year. Breeland is not total garbage and you are not cutting him. Gruden is not getting canned this year. We would have to go 2 - 14 before he gets canned.

I do not know why i punish myself by coming on here after a loss.

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You gotta imagine that this off season and draft will be focused on improving the defense, specifically the front 7. I like the guys as they play hard, but we need more talent there. Not including the OLBs, Chris Baker should not be your best player between the d-line and MLBs. We could/should have 4 new starters out of those 5 players next year.

Cravens needs to be on the field. He should be the starting SS. Breeland is slumping, but I have faith in him. I think with an improved front 7 we could have one of the better secondary's in the league.

As the defense stands this year, we need to score a lot more points to win. Not going to do that with how Kirk is playing this year so far. If he keeps playing like this its going to be a loooooong season.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1148485]I am sorry, but you are better than this BS post. Cousins is the starter all year. Breeland is not total garbage and you are not cutting him. Gruden is not getting canned this year. We would have to go 2 - 14 before he gets canned.

I do not know why i punish myself by coming on here after a loss.[/quote]

Because you're a Redskins fan and a glutton for punishment. Its in our blood lol.

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We have to win the next 3 games to get going.. I don't see it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1148483]Josh Norman is clearly the best player on the defense, 2nd best on the team. He's worth the $$ and is in his prime that's a huge deal for us. So much for breeland and his great OS lol he's toast

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Agree. He is elite and has shown it the first two games.

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Kirk cost us the game with the INT, but (and I hate to whine) we should have had a 1st and goal when the refs ignored the hold on Garcon's jersey. And we should have stopped them on their TD drive when the refs called a very bogus roughing the passer call.

I actually thought we had a chance when we got the ball back. Just like the Skins to rip my heart out at the end.

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We will get blown out next week.

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It has begun:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/redskins-ricky-jean-francois-critical-lack-adjustments-recent-losses]Redskins' Ricky-Jean Francois critical of lack of adjustments in recent losses | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

If every drunk jackass sitting on the couch and posting on The Warpath can see it and Ricky Jean says it. . .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1148494]Kirk cost us the game with the INT, but (and I hate to whine) we should have had a 1st and goal when the refs ignored the hold on Garcon's jersey. [B]And we should have stopped them on their TD drive when the refs called a very bogus roughing the passer call.[/B]

I actually thought we had a chance when we got the ball back. Just like the Skins to rip my heart out at the end.[/quote]

That was the same drive where they called the also bogus illegal use of hands against Norman...

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1148485]I am sorry, but you are better than this BS post. Cousins is the starter all year. Breeland is not total garbage and you are not cutting him. Gruden is not getting canned this year. We would have to go 2 - 14 before he gets canned.

I do not know why i punish myself by coming on here after a loss.[/quote]

I'm always so hard on myself after a loss, especially an embarassing loss, and those were all of the things going through my mind after i turned the TV off. Thanks for taking it easy on me.

On a serious note, i do believe they will switch QB's once eliminated because Cousins INT by INT is playing himself out of Washington with every poor game.

At least we all agree that we are gluttons for punishment coming in here after a bad loss....

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Problem with kirk is, in order for us to get a good QB we are going to have to suck ass and I don't really want that. This team has too much talent to be losing like this. It's sad. But then again it's the redskins

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We had a lot of positives this week to go along with all the repeated negative ones. Losing our NT on the opening play didn't exactly set our D up for a win. I liked that they finally allowed Josh to move around. I'm so happy to see us spend money, and get something in return (fingers crossed). We have a lot of work to do, and hopefully Kirk can shake off the cobwebs and get this thing firing. There is no way we can keep this offensive talent together for too long.

P.S. Was I the only one secretly happy that AlfMo scored? I'm still pissed that we let him go.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1148501]Problem with kirk is, in order for us to get a good QB we are going to have to suck ass and I don't really want that. This team has too much talent to be losing like this. It's sad. But then again it's the redskins

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Would you rather go 8-8 with Kirk playing mediocre/bad football or 3-13 and get a top 5 pick to draft a qb? That's the tough part, being stuck in the middle. And right now, based on our schedule and what we've seen so far, its going to be very difficult to get to 9 or 10 wins and into the playoffs.

What I saw today from Kirk makes it hard for me to believe we can regularly win games and make the playoffs with him as the QB.

The direction of our season hinges on the next game. Lose that one and that puts us at 0-3 (0-2 in conference) and to me would effectively end our season. Hopefully Kirk can really step it up.

Today was just so deflating. So many points were left on the field.

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I think kirks rust is more an indictment of not playing more snaps in the preseason. I do expect this team to get better each week but u can't always start slow and grow.

Next draft and off season the dline and center need to be a focus

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1148504]Would you rather go 8-8 with Kirk playing mediocre/bad football or 3-13 and get a top 5 pick to draft a qb? That's the tough part, being stuck in the middle. And right now, based on our schedule and what we've seen so far, its going to be very difficult to get to 9 or 10 wins and into the playoffs.

What I saw today from Kirk makes it hard for me to believe we can regularly win games and make the playoffs with him as the QB.

The direction of our season hinges on the next game. Lose that one and that puts us at 0-3 (0-2 in conference) and to me would effectively end our season. Hopefully Kirk can really step it up.

Today was just so deflating. So many points were left on the field.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather be 8-8 honestly and I don't see us winning 9 games this year. We would have to start a run now and win 3-4 straight. Can that happen?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1148507]I'd rather be 8-8 honestly and I don't see us winning 9 games this year. We would have to start a run now and win 3-4 straight. Can that happen?

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Its a possibility, but against our schedule we look more like a 6-10, 7-9 team. I hope I'm wrong.

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We will be fine, just need to make some changes:

Stop getting cute in the redzone
Play rookies Fuller, Kelley and Lanier (need young influx)
Put Long in and replace Lichtensteiger
Get Cravens more involved.

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Man this sux...I really thought today we would bounce back. I felt going into the game cousins would settle down, we'd run the ball, get a couple take aways and score on some big plays...kinda a continuation of the previous weekend problems. I thought the defense played better today...

What really is the most bothersome is the coaching. Gameplan seemed poor.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1148509]We will be fine, just need to make some changes:

Stop getting cute in the redzone
Play rookies Fuller, Kelley and Lanier (need young influx)
Put Long in and replace Lichtensteiger
Get Cravens more involved.[/quote]

"Put Long in and replace Lichtensteiger" - yes freaking please. We need to see if he can actually play there for next year.

I mentioned earlier, Cravens needs to be starting. He's a player. I'd prefer him at SS.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1148509]We will be fine, just need to make some changes:

Stop getting cute in the redzone
Play rookies Fuller, Kelley and Lanier (need young influx)
Put Long in and replace Lichtensteiger
Get Cravens more involved.[/quote]

I hope so man but it isn't looking to good, that goal line was as bad as i've seen any team do.

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Defense has been just as bad as last year. Norman is great but breeland is garbage so far. Idk what the fuck is his problem but it's bad. I knew we were fd when we played a rookie QB that needs that first win.... Always us

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Kirk hasn't played like a franchise QB but there is plenty of blame to go around:

Against Dallas, 73% of the plays were pass plays to 27% run.

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400874518]Cowboys vs. Redskins - Box Score - September 18, 2016 - ESPN[/url]

Two of those runs were Kirks's and were called passes so the break down is actually 75% pass and 24% run.

What the hell?

Kirk was not playing well and our O line was out playing their D line on every level and Jones was running better than he ever has. He was getting yards after contact and falling forward.

The play callers did nothing to take some of the pressure off Kirk with the run game which was working better than it has in a while.

There is a lot, A LOT, of blame on the play calling, whether it was Jay or McVay it was bad.

With the game as close as it was throughout, a more balanced approach was possible.

As mentioned in other posts, the 1st and goal from the 6 was infuriating. 3 straight passes against some guys they picked up at Home Depot playing DLine.

Mike Tomlin would have planned on going for the TD in 4 downs.

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I hate to blame one play or 1 player but I'm going to:mad:
Kirk Cousins lost this game.
Yes some of the playcalling sucked{like the fade calls}but Kirk doesnt get the ball anywheres close on those fades,they we're terrible.He must be able to complete those passes in practice or why do you call it 4 times?
Then we know about the 2 overthrows and 1 underthrow that were sure td's and then theres the int.
Kirk is not a franchise Qb,franchise qb's rarely have 1 bad game but 3 in a row never happens{yes I'm going back to GB game}
Now the Kirk apologist will come out of the woodwork{just like they did for Griffin} and tell me I'm over reacting blah blah blah.
Kirk has had plenty of time to digest this offense and there are no excuses for him,he's average and that's it,he's def not worth what he's getting paid.

Then theres Dak.I told you guys in preseason the kid was good and got a bunch of crap for it,and I'm sure the same people are going to give me crap for it now{it's only been 2 games!}
Kirk looked like the inexperienced rookie while Dak outplayed him in every facet of the game,including poise under pressure.
Unfortunately Dallas has found their future franchise qb and Romo replacement while we will still be searching for ours