Plus and Minus - Cowboys Game
 

[U]Plus[/U]

1. Josh Norman was truly elite in this game. Covered and caused a turnover.
2. S'ua Cravens came in made big plays, moving the Boys backwards.
3. Nice game played by Trent Murphy. He has more bend in his rush.
4. Good game by Matt Jones. Good vision. Great effort.
5. We got people wide open deep several times.
6. The pass protection was very good.

[U]Minus[/U]

1. Kirk played a poor game. Too bad, because he was the key today.
2. There were other minuses but I don't care to go there because if Kirk had played well today we would have won easily. He's being paid $20MM for this season alone, so there is no longer room for talk of learning, developing, or getting better. Now that he's being paid like an elite QB, there is only put up or shut up.

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You build an offense with the best weapons we've had since The Posse, and the QB is still the reason we lost. That's an indictment.

Even if Kirk plays like he's normally capable the rest of the way, have you seen enough at this point to doubt his poise?

If he's this shaky now, how will he play in the playoffs?

He's got 14 more games to get right, but man does he need to get right. The three missed deep balls were really bad. Crowder, Jackson, and I'm counting the underthrow to Doctson as a miss - on all three of them the WR had so many steps on their guy. They were so goddamn open it wasn't even funny. Still missed them.

That's not just bad QB play, it's the kind of QB play that loses you a game you should easily win.

I'm so fucking frustrated.

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Admittedly, KC did leave some throws on the field. But to put the game entirely on his shoulders is uncalled for.

It was only 3 points, but Washington was playing in the 4th quarter with the lead. Why did Matt Jones only get 13 touches the whole game?

Dallas gave Washington a very short field on consecutive possessions. Botched on-side kick, then, Elliot fumbled. 2 short fields and yielded only 2 field goals.

After the interception, Dallas goes on 11 play 80 yard drive. Defense had 10 plays and 80 yards to stop them.

Dallas offense had 5 scoring drives. 4 of which were 75 yards and greater (76, 94, 75, 80).

The defense and offensive play calling left just as much on the field as people are accusing KC of doing.

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To add on to what folks are saying..

Negative...Kory L play was better than week 1 from my eyes, but the penalties

Coaching especially on offense. Did anybody else think the ruled dropped pass by Dez(?) over the middle near the end of the game worth a challenge? It was close to a fumble imo



Co worker just shot me this stat, probably got off ESPN.com:

[B]In the red zone this season, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins has completed just five-of-17 passes for 34 yards[/B], one touchdown and two interceptions and owns a 19.6 passer rating.


how about running the ball some in the red zone folks? Talking about where games are won and lost...

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1148562]Admittedly, KC did leave some throws on the field. But to put the game entirely on his shoulders is uncalled for.

It was only 3 points, but Washington was playing in the 4th quarter with the lead. Why did Matt Jones only get 13 touches the whole game?

Dallas gave Washington a very short field on consecutive possessions. Botched on-side kick, then, Elliot fumbled. 2 short fields and yielded only 2 field goals.

After the interception, Dallas goes on 11 play 80 yard drive. Defense had 10 plays and 80 yards to stop them.

Dallas offense had 5 scoring drives. 4 of which were 75 yards and greater (76, 94, 75, 80).

The defense and offensive play calling left just as much on the field as people are accusing KC of doing.[/quote]
Oh look who showed up. Go back under your rock.

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[quote=Chico23231;1148563]To add on to what folks are saying..

Negative...Kory L play was better than week 1 from my eyes, but the penalties

Coaching especially on offense. Did anybody else think the ruled dropped pass by Dez(?) over the middle near the end of the game worth a challenge? It was close to a fumble imo



Co worker just shot me this stat, probably got off ESPN.com:

[B]In the red zone this season, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins has completed just five-of-17 passes for 34 yards[/B], one touchdown and two interceptions and owns a 19.6 passer rating.


how about running the ball some in the red zone folks? Talking about where games are won and lost...[/quote]

I think KC has started enough games now to know what he is. He's a streaky player. He's going to be up and down and that's what middle of the road QB's are. He's the best one on the roster but will never be a top guy. We probably need to realize this, the coaches need to realize it and be more balanced. Stop calling 40 + passes a game cause most of the time it won't work with him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1148565]I think KC has started enough games now to know what he is. He's a streaky player. He's going to be up and down and that's what middle of the road QB's are. He's the best one on the roster but will never be a top guy. We probably need to realize this, the coaches need to realize it and be more balanced. Stop calling 40 + passes a game cause most of the time it won't work with him.[/quote]

Totally agree with you. Looking like our best off season move was not locking him up long term. FML

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aaron rodgers has had 2 off games to start this season, they barely beat the jags and just lost to the vikings.

2 games is a drop in the bucket, stop calling for kirk's head. bad games happen to the great ones too.

i'll reserve my judgement for the end of the season.

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thru the first 3 weeks last season we were 1-2, kirk had 3 tds and 4 ints.

again, the sky is not falling. our division is weak. we can get on track.

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[quote=los panda;1148568]aaron rodgers has had 2 off games to start this season, they barely beat the jags and just lost to the vikings.

2 games is a drop in the bucket, stop calling for kirk's head. bad games happen to the great ones too.

i'll reserve my judgement for the end of the season.[/quote]
AR having two bad games is way different then KC having two bad games. AR has a wall of past accomplishments, KC the jury is still out.

I am not saying KC is trash but he is going be a up and down guy for his whole career. The past two games it looks like his demons are coming back.

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[quote=los panda;1148569]thru the first 3 weeks last season we were 1-2, kirk had 3 tds and 4 ints.

again, the sky is not falling. our division is weak. we can get on track.[/quote]

We win next week and I am right there with you. I say next week is do or die for this team/ KC.

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[quote=mredskins;1148570]AR having two bad games is way different then KC having two bad games. AR has a wall of past accomplishments, KC the jury is still out.

I am not saying KC is trash but he is going be a up and down guy for his whole career. The past two games it looks like his demons are coming back.[/quote]

he started 2015 1-2, 3 tds and 4 ints in those games.

he finished 9-7, 29 tds and 11 ints.

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[quote=mredskins;1148571]We win next week and I am right there with you. I say next week is do or die for this team/ KC.[/quote]

that's my message, it's too early to gouge our eyes out.

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[quote=los panda;1148568]aaron rodgers has had 2 off games to start this season, they barely beat the jags and just lost to the vikings.

2 games is a drop in the bucket, stop calling for kirk's head. bad games happen to the great ones too.

i'll reserve my judgement for the end of the season.[/quote]

That's the thing, we don't have Aaron Rodgers so stop trying to run an offense like mike McCarthy's. Cousins isn't Rodgers, its not close.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1148562]Admittedly, KC did leave some throws on the field. But to put the game entirely on his shoulders is uncalled for.

It was only 3 points, but Washington was playing in the 4th quarter with the lead. Why did Matt Jones only get 13 touches the whole game?

Dallas gave Washington a very short field on consecutive possessions. Botched on-side kick, then, Elliot fumbled. 2 short fields and yielded only 2 field goals.

After the interception, Dallas goes on 11 play 80 yard drive. Defense had 10 plays and 80 yards to stop them.

Dallas offense had 5 scoring drives. 4 of which were 75 yards and greater (76, 94, 75, 80).

The defense and offensive play calling left just as much on the field as people are accusing KC of doing.[/quote]

I don't discount any of your points, Jack; however, this was a game between two teams with many of the same strengths and weaknesses except for what should have been one clear advantage for the Skins - the QB position. The Skins started a $20MM five-year QB who lead his team to the playoffs last season while the Cowboys started a rookie QB who was playing his second NFL game. If Kirk Cousins had taken charge and made the plays he needed to make, the game would have turned out differently.

No QB should be paid $20MM just to "do his part" or "manage a game". When all else is essentially even between two teams, a $20MM QB must [U]win[/U] that game. Is it about the money for me? In a sense, it is. It is about the quality of play to be expected from a QB who is trusted enough to be paid that much.

I'm not down on Kirk. At this point, he just needs to step up and lead us to victory vs. the Giants. It can and must be done.

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[quote=los panda;1148572]he started 2015 1-2, 3 tds and 4 ints in those games.

he finished 9-7, 29 tds and 11 ints.[/quote]
the thing is this schedule compared to last years 2nd half schedule is much much harder.

I mean we play CLE for 16 games Iam sure we are all going to think KC is the next great thing.

KC has won some games and put that nice string together against inferior teams. Name me one big game KC has one against a legit top 5 - 10 NFL team?

The worst scenario with KC is if he keeps being a flash in the pan here and there. Good enough to keep us from trying to upgrade the QB position but not good enough for us to reach the next level.

KC either shit the bed or do something great; us Skins fans ain't got time for your back and fourth shit.

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Positives:
Norman
Cravens (he looks like he might be one the best 10-20 players from the draft)
Matt Jones
O-line play (outside of C)

Negative:
Offensive play calling
Defensive play calling
Cousins

If Cousins has to throw the ball more than 20 yards down the field I honestly don't think he has any idea where it's going. And this hasn't got any better. I mean he threw the hail Mary out of the end zone for petes sakes.

We have no elite players in the front 7. A few solid players and then just some guys. I hope Preston keeps getting better, but we need to find a way to add some multi-year pro bowl caliber players to the front 7.

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Worried about Cousins' confidence...watching how he responds will be crucial this weekend.

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[quote=mredskins;1148576]the thing is this schedule compared to last years 2nd half schedule is much much harder.

I mean we play CLE for 16 games Iam sure we are all going to think KC is the next great thing.

KC has won some games and put that nice string together against inferior teams. Name me one big game KC has one against a legit top 5 - 10 NFL team?

The worst scenario with KC is if he keeps being a flash in the pan here and there. Good enough to keep us from trying to upgrade the QB position but not good enough for us to reach the next level.

KC either shit the bed or do something great; us Skins fans ain't got time for your back and fourth shit.[/quote]

Schedule, schmedule! The schedule always looks different during the season than it did before the season due to injuries or whatever. Yes, we need to play better but, as far as I know, there is no rule against beating a team or two that is better than you on paper. There is even a week nicknamed "Upset Sunday".

We just lost a game we should have won - on paper. Now, we need to win a game or two that we have no business winning - on paper.

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[quote=mredskins;1148576]the thing is this schedule compared to last years 2nd half schedule is much much harder.

I mean we play CLE for 16 games Iam sure we are all going to think KC is the next great thing.

KC has won some games and put that nice string together against inferior teams. Name me one big game KC has one against a legit top 5 - 10 NFL team?

The worst scenario with KC is if he keeps being a flash in the pan here and there. Good enough to keep us from trying to upgrade the QB position but not good enough for us to reach the next level.

KC either shit the bed or do something great; us Skins fans ain't got time for your back and fourth shit.[/quote]

"The worst scenario with KC is if he keeps being a flash in the pan here and there. Good enough to keep us from trying to upgrade the QB position but not good enough for us to reach the next level."

Agree 100%, this is my biggest fear, being mired in the limbo of mediocrity.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1148583]"The worst scenario with KC is if he keeps being a flash in the pan here and there. Good enough to keep us from trying to upgrade the QB position but not good enough for us to reach the next level."

Agree 100%, this is my biggest fear, [B]being mired[/B] in the limbo of mediocrity.[/quote]

i feel ya

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ZwyYONH.jpg[/IMG]

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No need to mention the minus part , we all see them . Plus ....... Run Defense much better than vs Pitt . We ran well , need to keep pounding the rock . Norman , RJF and T Murphy looked good . So , yes we need some big nasty dudes in the trenches , a safety and a RB , so as bad as it looks at the moment , we can still build a team over the next yr or two . I don't see much hope for " this " year .

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[quote=los panda;1148585]i feel ya

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ZwyYONH.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Haha that goes back aways. If you're team is rick mired your in a heap of trouble.

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The biggest positive is that Cousins is not signed for 6-7 years at $20 million per year.

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One other question about Cousins. How do you have so little feel for where you are throwing the ball that you throw the Hail Mary pass out of the end zone? Isn't the idea to throw a jump ball INTO, NOT OVER, the end zone so one of your guys can try to make a play?

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Reading material for those of you that think the season is over.

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2017QB.php]WalterFootball.com: 2017 NFL Draft: Quarterback Rankings[/url]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-top-10-qbs-well-be-talking-about-before-the-2017-nfl-draft/]The top 10 QBs we'll be talking about before the 2017 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com[/url]

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[quote=Ohioskins;1148591]The biggest positive is that Cousins is not signed for 6-7 years at $20 million per year.[/quote]

:laughing2

yup...

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[quote=Schneed10;1148555]You build an offense with the best weapons we've had since The Posse, and the QB is still the reason we lost. That's an indictment.

Even if Kirk plays like he's normally capable the rest of the way, have you seen enough at this point to doubt his poise?

If he's this shaky now, how will he play in the playoffs?

He's got 14 more games to get right, but man does he need to get right. The three missed deep balls were really bad. [B] Crowder, Jackson, and I'm counting the underthrow to Doctson as a miss - on all three of them the WR had so many steps on their guy. [/B] They were so goddamn open it wasn't even funny. Still missed them.

That's not just bad QB play, it's the kind of QB play that loses you a game you should easily win.

I'm so fucking frustrated.[/quote]

The throw to Doctson, oh my god!!! (i know i sound like a schoolgirl). The whole defense ran away from Doctson, and Kirk had time. That was crazy awful. That was no more or less than a preseason pitch and catch. Oh wait Kirk and Doctson didn't play together then... :(

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I think Kirk is pressing due to the $$ he will settle in soon

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[quote=Chico23231;1148563]To add on to what folks are saying..

Negative...Kory L play was better than week 1 from my eyes, but the penalties

Coaching especially on offense. Did anybody else think the ruled dropped pass by Dez(?) over the middle near the end of the game worth a challenge? It was close to a fumble imo



Co worker just shot me this stat, probably got off ESPN.com:

[B]In the red zone this season, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins has completed just five-of-17 passes for 34 yards[/B], one touchdown and two interceptions and owns a 19.6 passer rating.


how about running the ball some in the red zone folks? Talking about where games are won and lost...[/quote]

10 of those 17 were incomplete fades. bs

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I truly believe that the MAIN ISSUE with the team is coaching and front office.. they can't seem to make adjustments at all on the fly. And for what it is worth IF they score on that hail mary /win the game do you guys think the attitude towards Cousins would be different? I still can't believe they passed on Dline help in the draft to get JD.they are loaded at wr and could have traded down and got more Dline help.. WR are getting like RB's you can find them later in draft. IF the skins had a pass rush we win the game even with Kirk having issues..I am rambling on but I have been die hard since 1969 and this is getting hard to even watch this team. I was lucky enough to have been there during the glory years and we won so many games because of adjustments made at halftime and the team always had strong OL and DL ..they won with QB's that really are not that much better than COUSINS. guys is it ever going to get better or is this it?? I used to feel sorry for the browns,lions fans but I believe we are worse than them..and I'm not sure we will beat the Browns.

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To keep brining up the amount Kirk is making is asinine. He's only making that much because it's the amount we had to pay him to obtain our best option at QB. The guy played lights out the season before. Any rightful minded GM is going to obtain that guy and build around the team.

So please stop saying "He's not making his money". It's what we had to pay for the best option we had at the time.

It's numbing dumb to keep reading people saying that dumb shit. The dollar amount hasn't affected the team financially and we are below the cap. If he doesn't work out, so be it.

+ Josh Norman, Pass Rush
- Kirk, Pierre

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Cousins leading the league in attempts after 2 weeks and we are 0-2...correlation? abso-fucking-lutely

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While I agree that most of his end zone incompletions where fades, I question why the coaches repeatedly called for fades to the point where it was almost predictable what their calls would be inside the Red Zone.

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[B][U][SIZE="3"]Positives:
[/SIZE][/U][/B][LIST][*]It's only game 2 of a 16 game season.[*]Norman is earning that contract.[*]Running game looked decent.[*]WRs/TEs did a good job[/LIST]

[SIZE="3"][U][B]Negatives:[/B][/U][/SIZE]
[LIST][*]This coaching staff is in over there heads and it shows big time.[*]Why is Joe Barry coaching this defense? We could have had Wade Phillips.[*]Kirk Cousins has shit the bed two weeks in a row. I'm so glad we didnt' pony up a big contract for him and I see why McLovin was hesitant to do so.[*]Still not sure why this team didn't address the DL in the off-season. It shows big time.[*]Run game does well. We go away from run.[/LIST]


If this shit doesn't change fast, I'm all for cleaning house on the coaching staff at the end of the season. This time, we should get a defensive minded coach.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1148649]While I agree that most of his end zone incompletions where fades, I question why the coaches repeatedly called for fades to the point where it was almost predictable what their calls would be inside the Red Zone.[/quote]

According to Kirk yesterday on the radio, the fades were his option calls at the line. He had an option to run on those plays and chose to do the fades. I guess he figured that shit worked in practice a couple of times that he would do it in game.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1148652]According to Kirk yesterday on the radio, the fades were his option calls at the line. He had an option to run on those plays and chose to do the fades. I guess he figured that shit worked in practice a couple of times that he would do it in game.[/quote]

Glad Cousins doesn't invest my money, with his decision making I'd be broke in no time.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1148652]According to Kirk yesterday on the radio, the fades were his option calls at the line. He had an option to run on those plays and chose to do the fades. I guess he figured that shit worked in practice a couple of times that he would do it in game.[/quote]
Well on the plus at least he takes fault unlike the last guy that was here.

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can we sign terrance knighton to a 1 year deal?

i know he doesn't have a high motor but he can clog it up. we have a shit ton of cap space, we have 6 cbs and 6 safeties; we can cut a safety to make room.

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Good article here, not sure where it goes.

We need to remember this is only year two of McC's rebuild. I'd say we have another 2 years until we REALLY compete

[url=http://www.scout.com/nfl/redskins/story/1708628-why-mccloughan-didnt-address-needs]Why Didn't Scot McCloughan Address Redskins Needs? Maybe He Wasn't Trying - Washington - Scout[/url]