The Defense Only Thread
 

Is it OK if we just talk Redskins Defense in this thread? This seems to be the unit most in need of improvement and I'd like to hear from some smart people who post here about where we go from here on Defense. So, to begin with, I'm wondering about a few things:

1. A lot is made out of Will Compton being a "quarterback" on Defense. Yet, Will is a mediocre athlete, IMO. So, just how important is a "QB" on defense, anyway? Yesterday, Will got "dinged" and went out of the game for a while. S'ua Cravens came in and made a series of big plays, a couple of them tackles for loss. Shouldn't talent prevail, even at the defensive "QB" position?

2. I thought I saw some plays where Trent Murphy lined up at OLB and Preston Smith lined up inside of him with his hand in the dirt as a DE on passing downs. It seemed to work well for us. What do you think of this alignment going forward?

3. How long does it take to get a player ready to play the slot CB position? Yesterday, I saw Dashaun Phillips chasing the Dallas slot receiver a lot but not actually covering him. Their slot receiver had a field day against us. Kendall Fuller is very talented and he seems to be perfect for the slot CB role. He can cover and he is a playmaker. When is he likely to see the field?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1148592]Is it OK if we just talk Redskins Defense in this thread? This seems to be the unit most in need of improvement and I'd like to hear from some smart people who post here about where we go from here on Defense. So, to begin with, I'm wondering about a few things:

1. A lot is made out of Will Compton being a "quarterback" on Defense. Yet, Will is a mediocre athlete, IMO. So, just how important is a "QB" on defense, anyway? Yesterday, Will got "dinged" and went out of the game for a while. S'ua Cravens came in and made a series of big plays, a couple of them tackles for loss. Shouldn't talent prevail, even at the defensive "QB" position?

2. I thought I saw some plays where Trent Murphy lined up at OLB and Preston Smith lined up inside of him with his hand in the dirt as a DE on passing downs. It seemed to work well for us. What do you think of this alignment going forward?

3. How long does it take to get a player ready to play the slot CB position? Yesterday, I saw Dashaun Phillips chasing the Dallas slot receiver a lot but not actually covering him. Their slot receiver had a field day against us. Kendall Fuller is very talented and he seems to be perfect for the slot CB role. He can cover and he is a playmaker. When is he likely to see the field?[/quote]

Very good thread.

In regards to your point about Compton and Cravens, I'm wondering why both of them cannot be on the field. Since we are technically a 3-4 defense, doesn't that mean that we can line up two players at ILB? Just curious.

I think the biggest need for the offense is in the interior line. We either need to draft a first round player or get a starting-caliber free agent. I know we missed out on Leonard William, but I don't think we could have passed on Scherff.

I don't see the interior line being disruptive enough for the edge rushers to work. Both Preston and Kerrigan are just pushed around the opposing QB, because there is always a nice pocket in the middle due to the lack of push by the interior line.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1148594]I don't see the interior line being disruptive enough for the edge rushers to work. Both Preston and Kerrigan are just pushed around the opposing QB, because there is always a nice pocket in the middle due to the lack of push by the interior line.[/quote]

What do you think about using Preston as an inside rusher on passing downs?

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At this point I would put Preston anywhere that works.
We did a little better yesterday but our QB pressure overall is really lacking.

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It starts up front with the Dline. Our defensive personnel is better everywhere except the line imo, where we actually regressed. We need better guys up front plain and simple, and it's not gonna happen this year

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1148598]At this point I would put Preston anywhere that works.
We did a little better yesterday but our QB pressure overall is really lacking.[/quote]

Preston Smith is as big as Justin Tuck was as a player. Smith reminds me of Tuck. Tuck used his hands very well, as does Smith. Smith could give guards and centers fits with his quickness.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1148601]Preston Smith is as big as Justin Tuck was as a player. Smith reminds me of Tuck. Tuck used his hands very well, as does Smith. Smith could give guards and centers fits with his quickness.[/quote]

Yes, but if you take Preston out of the edge, then you are creating a hole there.

Just got a notice from ESPN that Golston is out for the season and Ionnadis is being called up from the PS.

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Golston to IR, Ioannisis activated. Is this mean Golston is done for the season and possibly career with Washington?

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More Cravens on defense...with Golston out, like to see Lanier get some reps.

like I said last week...id put 5 on the LOS almost every down, do some zone blitzing. I hated we played coverage with Dak who picked it apart.

Also Trent Murphy really impressed me in the second half...he just earned more Playing time..

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1148605]Golston to IR, Ioannisis activated. Is this mean Golston is done for the season and possibly career with Washington?[/QUOTE]



Hard to see him returning when the D line is such an obvious weakness. I imagine we will see a real rebuild effort on the D line next year. Hood and Reyes were likely viewed as stop game measures at most.


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Time for some of this young bucks to see action, Ionnidis and Lanier. They need to step it up.

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3rd and 8 at DAL 33
(13:59 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short middle to D.Bryant to WAS 49 for 18 yards (D.Bruton, D.Hall)

3rd and 9 at WSH 48
(11:57 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep middle to D.Bryant to WAS 31 for 17 yards (B.Breeland). Penalty on WAS-P.Smith, Defensive Offside, declined

3rd and 11 at WSH 22
(6:33 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep left to D.Bryant to WAS 6 for 16 yards (B.Breeland)

3rd and 11 at WSH 24
(6:04 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to C.Beasley ran ob at WAS 12 for 12 yards (J.Norman)

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The problem with the defense is the indecision of Kurt Cousins.

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[quote=mredskins;1148610]The problem with the defense is the indecision of Kurt Cousins.[/quote]

Who is Kurt Cousins?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1148592]Is it OK if we just talk Redskins Defense in this thread? This seems to be the unit most in need of improvement and I'd like to hear from some smart people who post here about where we go from here on Defense. So, to begin with, I'm wondering about a few things:

1. A lot is made out of Will Compton being a "quarterback" on Defense. Yet, Will is a mediocre athlete, IMO. So, just how important is a "QB" on defense, anyway? Yesterday, Will got "dinged" and went out of the game for a while. S'ua Cravens came in and made a series of big plays, a couple of them tackles for loss. Shouldn't talent prevail, even at the defensive "QB" position?

2. I thought I saw some plays where Trent Murphy lined up at OLB and Preston Smith lined up inside of him with his hand in the dirt as a DE on passing downs. It seemed to work well for us. What do you think of this alignment going forward?

3. How long does it take to get a player ready to play the slot CB position? Yesterday, I saw Dashaun Phillips chasing the Dallas slot receiver a lot but not actually covering him. Their slot receiver had a field day against us. Kendall Fuller is very talented and he seems to be perfect for the slot CB role. He can cover and he is a playmaker. When is he likely to see the field?[/quote]

1. Compton as hard as he plays and as hard as he studies, he still isn't a good enough athlete to be a starter. To me he's just a teams player and a backup. Nothing wrong with that but he isn't a starter. Cravens isn't a ILB on running downs, no way. He needs to be on the field more though. Put him at SS on run downs, ILB on obvious passing downs.

2. Love it. We really don't have any other choice on obvious passing downs. Trent played one of his better games. Hopefully he can keep it up. But even still, we need to add another athlete here. Kerrigan is just average to me.

3. It seems Phillips beat out Fuller for the slot corner in pre season. He was abused yesterday by the #3 wr yesterday. He's in for a long ass game against the Giants.

4. I've already mentioned Joe Barry. A change needs to be made when the season is over. He stinks like rotten seafood.

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Compton can be a solid player for us, but MLBs look a lot better when the defensive linemen in front of him occupy blockers so the MLB can flow to the ball. Compton's getting washed out because the defensive line isn't always holding its ground. It did a little better yesterday.

Inadequate pass rush. And the secondary is too slow to hand off coverage in the transition areas of the zone. The handoffs are crappy.

Joe Barry sticks to his principles to a fault and doesn't adjust. After seeing yesterday's first half I would have definitely put Norman on Dez much sooner, and I would have blitzed much more. He's a f'n rookie QB, he can be rattled if you pressure him. WTF

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What i would like to see:

Murphy put weight and stay at DE
Preston to become an elite edge rusher
SM to sign/draft a NT and 2 MLBs
Put Cravens as starting SS and use him like the Giants use Landon Collins
SM to sign/draft another FS to eventually replace Hall
Barry to grow balls or get fired

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[quote=mredskins;1148610]The problem with the defense is the indecision of Kurt Cousins.[/quote]

Defense only, wise guy! You've got to fly in formation in this thread. :laughing-

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Psmith has to start getting sacks

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So in addition to adding Ioannidis, they also made some PS changes. Trail and Nix gone. Fanaika, Herrera, Richardson added. Scrub swapping.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1148620]So in addition to adding Ioannidis, they also made some PS changes. Trail and Nix gone. Fanaika, Herrera, Richardson added. Scrub swapping.[/quote]

Are you saying these moves won't propel us to the Super Bowl??

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I can't bring myself to fret over the defense.

They lack personnel and the coordinator is average (at best).

The strength of the defense is in secondary, specifically the CBs.

They don't have the horses to be stout against the run, they don't have the pass rush to effect the passer in normal situations.

Unless the offense can spot them the lead they're gonna struggle on defense.
And for me the onus is on the offense to spot them that lead because the offense is where the resources went and it is the area of expertise of this coaching staff.

And yeah they need to quit messing about pick a position and start Su'a.

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I know last year we blitzed less than any team in the league? Is that still true? I've been impressed, generally, with our man coverage. I'd like to see us force faster throws and see what happens. Even if we dont get home, i'd rather lose.

Im also thinking I'd like to see us transition back to a 4-3. We just can't find the NT we need and OLBs to make it work. It'll be easier to find draft prospects, etc. I don't blame the 3-4, but I believe our personnel is better suited for the 4-3 and we'll have an easier time getting and retaining talent.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1148620]So in addition to adding Ioannidis, they also made some PS changes. Trail and Nix gone. Fanaika, Herrera, Richardson added. Scrub swapping.[/quote]

perhaps, however Richardson plays DL and had 40 tackles last year as a rookie

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IF we could swap our entire D for another teams D ..take your pick of ANY team my guess would be our new D would regress and our old D would play better..my point is its a lousy coaching /scheme issue with no adjustments ever. Why when we have the safety help Breeland on the #1 wr the safety is never close enough to really help? Why not blitz a Player now and then ?? are we worried about giving up the big play..really! The scheme is not working and I don't think its all the players fault. Think about this..IF our D is that bad because of lack of talent then what does that say about the organization ability to evaluate talent in the first place??? The powers that be thought we had enough talent on the D to burn our #1 on a position of strength. that boggles my mind. that fact alone should shed light on the real issue of the skins.

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On what planet was Joe Barry a good hire at d cordinator?

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[quote=Chico23231;1148629]On what planet was Joe Barry a good hire at d cordinator?[/quote]

In Bizarro World (Seinfeld).

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We need to increase our pass rush. Since we don't have the horses to rush four and get home regularly, we need to blitz more, I don't understand why Gruden/Barry can't comprehend this? How many 3rd and long conversions do those jackwagons need to see before they try something different?

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1. I have heard people say that Cravens isnt a run down ILB but when I saw him play for Compton he literally was making plays in the backfield.

2. DeShaun Phillips is a corner who wears #35. Enough said, where is Kendall Fuller?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1148636]1. I have heard people say that Cravens isnt a run down ILB but when I saw him play for Compton he literally was making plays in the backfield.

2. DeShaun Phillips is a corner who wears #35. Enough said, where is Kendall Fuller?[/quote]

Same here...Cravens has great instincts and that knack to always be around the ball. Cravens seems comfortable lining up in the box, close to the los....id like to see him with more playing time.

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phillips, Compton and brouton don't make impact plays.
Cravens made plays right away. I can live with his rookie mistakes if he is going to make plays.
Same goes for fuller.

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1) I'm surprised nobody's mentioning Breeland's performance.

I really like this guy, if I wasn't so broke I'd have bought his jersey already... BUT he really seems to have lost confidence, and CB is a confidence position. Just look at Norman, I was worrying all the noise around him would get his head out of the game... but he seems to feed from the noise, his play's outstanding, and partly so just because he thinks he's the best...

Long story short: I truly think coaches need to find some adjustments to help Breeland out. Either put Norman on the best WR, or give him safety help, I don't know, but take some pressure away from him, so he can build some confidence back and be the great CB he can become.

2) One thing I think coach Barry is doing good, is using different personnel: 3-4-4, 2-5-4, 2-4-5 etc...

Cravens in the mix, sometimes I don't know if he's playing sort of nickel corner or linebacker. Overall I feel like this is a good try at palliating our weakness at D-line.

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regarding Breeland, Barry isn't using him the right way. Did Barry look at any of Breeland's past games against Bryant? If he did then he'd know that having him play 10 yards off on isn't the right way to use him. It looked like he had him playing some shitty soft zone half ass coverage. The way Haz had him playing was in Bryant face jamming him playing tight man to man. That is what he does best, not what I saw Sunday. This is another example of Barry's pure incompetence.

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My only thoughts are.....
[LIST][*]We bypassed on Wade Phillips for this bum of a defensive coach Joe Barry?[*]Who the fuck thought going into the season with having Golston as your starting NT was a good idea? He's a career backup.[*]We currently have a practice squad guy who'll be seeing a lot of time on the DL this season. I question our defensive off-season moves.[/LIST]

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If I recall properly my draft wish list for the first three rounds was DT/DT/C
No necessarily in that order.
We'd be sitting far prettier right now if we got that.
Even better for next year.....

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Austin Reiter to Browns active roster.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1148653]My only thoughts are.....
[LIST][*]We bypassed on Wade Phillips for this bum of a defensive coach Joe Barry?[*]Who the fuck thought going into the season with having Golston as your starting NT was a good idea? He's a career backup.[*]We currently have a practice squad guy who'll be seeing a lot of time on the DL this season. I question our defensive off-season moves.[/LIST][/quote]
We also passed on Leonard Williams in last years draft but one could argue we would not have Sherf.

Another dagger (not really in our power) but we missed out on Ryan Kelly in this years draft.

The Scott M. honeymoon is coming to an end and we need to realize he has had made some mistakes. I still think he has us on the right path. I will say his free agent "game" is very very weak.

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McC has done a great job drafting players, look how many are in the roster. If we are not bitching about the DL then we would be bitching about the OL. Can't fix everything in one year.

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I know it may suck right now but gotta keep the focus on the long run. SM didn't come here to do a quick reload. He's trying to build for long term success.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1148657]McC has done a great job drafting players, look how many are in the roster. If we are not bitching about the DL then we would be bitching about the OL. Can't fix everything in one year.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. It's going to take time.