Redskins will sign center John Sullivan and place Kory Lichtensteiger on IR
 

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[QUOTE] The Washington Redskins will sign free agent center John Sullivan and place center Kory Lichtensteiger on injured reserve, according to two people with knowledge of the situation on Tuesday. Lichtensteiger suffered a calf injury in Sunday’s 29-27 victory over the New York Giants and was listed as “week-to-week” by Redskins Coach Jay Gruden on Monday.

It’s the second straight season Lichtensteiger has been placed on injured reserve; He’s played eight regular-season games in that span. The 31-year-old suffered from a neck injury that affected the strength in his left shoulder in 2015 but returned off the short-term injured reserve list to play in Washington’s only playoff game. Lichtensteiger is the fourth Redskins player to be placed on injured reserve. Pass rusher Junior Galette (Achilles’ tendon), defensive lineman Kedric Golston (hamstring) and safety DeAngelo Hall (knee) are also done for the year.[/QUOTE]

Thoughts?

IMO, either playing long or Sullivan (once up to speed) is an update over the badly regressed Lichtensteiger . . . its sucks he got hurt, but i'm happy to see him replaced at least for the rest of the year.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1149861][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/09/27/redskins-will-sign-center-john-sullivan-place-kory-lichtensteiger-on-injured-reserve/"]Source (Washington Post):[/URL]



Thoughts?

IMO, either playing long or Sullivan (once up to speed) is an update over the badly regressed Lichtensteiger . . . its sucks he got hurt, but i'm happy to see him replaced at least for the rest of the year.[/quote]

I like this, assuming his back holds up. Definitely knows how to play the position. Hopefully, he doesn't need to see the field this year.

Still wondering if Arie gets the call this week to start at LG & keep Long at Center.

I think that would make us more physical up front.

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Let Long and Sullivan battle it out.

Im hoping after tomorrow's practice we can get a clearer picture on what our starting Oline will look like for this weeks game. Im on the

Nsekhe- Silverblunted- Long- Badass mutherfucker - Moses

bandwagon

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[quote=Chico23231;1149863]Let Long and Sullivan battle it out.

Im hoping after tomorrow's practice we can get a clearer picture on what our starting Oline will look like for this weeks game. Im on the

Nsekhe- Silverblunted- Long- Badass mutherfucker - Moses

bandwagon[/quote]

Long is the incumbent till Sullivan gets up to speed. Vinston Painter was also promoted from the PS.

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Really good news, let's see how improved our O-line will be, but we couldn't stay with just Long at center anyway

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[quote=Chico23231;1149863]Let Long and Sullivan battle it out.

Im hoping after tomorrow's practice we can get a clearer picture on what our starting Oline will look like for this weeks game. Im on the

Nsekhe- Silverblunted- Long- Badass mutherfucker - Moses

bandwagon[/quote]

Trent is LT this week

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Seems like this was just an excuse to try and get Lich outta there. They've been obviously trying to replace him.

Nsekhe imo needs to be on the field. I'd throw him out there at LT form series or two and drop Siverback at LG and see what happens. Or put Nsekhe at LG and put Long at center.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1149869]Seems like this was just an excuse to try and get Lich outta there. They've been obviously trying to replace him.

Nsekhe imo needs to be on the field. I'd throw him out there at LT form series or two and drop Siverback at LG and see what happens. Or put Nsekhe at LG and put Long at center.[/quote]

NY can't play G .

Looks like they brought up Painter. So I wouldn't be surprised if Lav goes on IR soon

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[quote=Chico23231;1149863]Let Long and Sullivan battle it out.

Im hoping after tomorrow's practice we can get a clearer picture on what our starting Oline will look like for this weeks game. Im on the

Nsekhe- Silverblunted- Long- Badass mutherfucker - Moses

bandwagon[/quote]

Me too.

Nsekhe is one of the 5 best lineman on the team easily.

Do we want better players on the field or worse players on the field?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1149877]Me too.

Nsekhe is one of the 5 best lineman on the team easily.

Do we want better players on the field or worse players on the field?[/quote]

What we want is our best OL at LT. So start with TW in that spot. Sullivan hasn't been here long enough to start at C, so expect Long to start there. The same folks will start on the right side. That leaves only the LG spot and Arie K. as the logical starter.

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why can't nsekhe get in there at guard?

my first thought was height but then i think about a guy like alex boone.

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John Keim ‏@john_keim
I know I said it Monday, but bears repeating how impressive Trent Williams was at LG. On Jones' 12-yd run, he blocked DL down, then drove LB

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For you Sullivan lovers, you know he's had 2 back surgeries and hasn't played since 2014. Just saying.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1149878]What we want is our best OL at LT. So start with TW in that spot. Sullivan hasn't been here long enough to start at C, so expect Long to start there. The same folks will start on the right side. That leaves only the LG spot and Arie K. as the logical starter.[/quote]

What we want is to win. Not to follow some old outdated belief.
Arie K. is not proven to be ready to start in the NFL, he is another Lichtensteiner. The offensive line that finished the game against the 1st place team deserves another look see.
There was a time Joe Jacoby played guard and it was amazing.
If it works who cares if it does not seem right. I would rather be wrong and win then lose playing our best at LT and our RG sucks.
Just win.

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[quote=Defensewins;1149893]What we want is to win. Not to follow some old outdated belief.
Arie K. is not proven to be ready to start in the NFL, he is another Lichtensteiner. The offensive line that finished the game last against the 1st place team deserves another look see.
There was a time Joe Jacoby played guard and it was amazing.
If it works who cares if it does not seem right.
Just win.[/quote]

You think Nsekhe is better at LT than Trent? The most important position protecting the QB. Kouandijio has a nasty streak that I've been waiting to see and he knows this is his opportunity to shine. I have faith Callahan will have him ready to rock.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1149894]You think Nsekhe is better at LT than Trent? The most important position protecting the QB. Kouandijio has a nasty streak that I've been waiting to see and he knows this is his opportunity to shine. I have faith Callahan will have him ready to rock.[/quote]

I disagree. The most important thing is provide an offensive line with the least amount of weakness. The best 5. What good is having the world's best LT if your LG is a slow, two bad knees, inexperienced player. Ariel is not a very good player yet. Nsekhe may not be a star but is ok at LT. Arie is a notch below.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1149869]Seems like this was just an excuse to try and get Lich outta there. They've been obviously trying to replace him.

[/quote]


so they need an excuse to get rid of Kory ?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1149897]so they need an excuse to get rid of Kory ?[/quote]

I got the sense that the coaches liked Kory a lot more than Scot M. did.

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[quote=Defensewins;1149896]I disagree. The most important thing is provide an offensive line with the least amount of weakness. The best 5. What good is having the world's best LT if your LG is a slow, two bad knees, inexperienced player. Ariel is not a very good player yet. Nsekhe may not be a star but is ok at LT. Arie is a notch below.[/quote]

Agree...I think the red flag coming out of camp was he didn't make the team the second year...back to the practice squad. I heard Ariel kinda disappointed in camp.

Nsekhe on the other hand played extremely well and he isn't a guard unfortunately.

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[quote=Chico23231;1149899]Agree...I think the red flag coming out of camp was he didn't make the team the second year...back to the practice squad. I heard Ariel kinda disappointed in camp.

Nsekhe on the other hand played extremely well and [B]he isn't a guard unfortunately.[/B][/quote]

neither is trent, why can't ty work at guard?

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[quote=los panda;1149908]neither is trent, why can't ty work at guard?[/quote]

I think they have tried...too big and not fast enough is my best guess.

But don't you think if he could, the Skins wouldn't have moved a Probowl left tackle to the inside last game?

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[quote=Chico23231;1149912]I think they have tried...too big and not fast enough is my best guess.

But don't you think if he could, the Skins wouldn't have moved a Probowl left tackle to the inside last game?[/quote]

i would hope.

i'd be interested to see the feedback on his play at guard if they did give it a whirl.

let us pray that sullivan's back is feeling better than tyson's;

[YT]GP_0BhCw2rg[/YT]

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[quote=los panda;1149918]i would hope.

i'd be interested to see the feedback on his play at guard if they did give it a whirl.

let us pray that sullivan's back is feeling better than tyson's;

[YT]GP_0BhCw2rg[/YT][/quote]

PFF graded Nsekhe as a 74.6 grade which is considered solid. In the breakdown, he graded very high with pass blocking and poor in run blocking. PFF didn't breakdown Silverback play from tackle to guard, but dude is a stud anywhere and Keim said it was damn good.

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no doubt williams is an animal anywhere on the line.

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I wonder if they've thought about putting Nsekhe at RT and letting Moses take LG.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1149941]I wonder if they've thought about putting Nsekhe at RT and letting Moses take LG.[/QUOTE]



That seems dangerous. The right side of the line looks good and I am not sure why we'd disturb that.


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If the sum of the parts is greater with Trent at LG, I think they have to roll with it.

Arie did not do well in a large sample size this pre-season.

They can do things schematically to soften the edge rush.

Like continuously running over the left side with Ty and Trent like they did against the NYG's 100 million dollar men or keeping a back or TE in. Kirk has a really quick release and they run plenty of play action.

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Ty doesn't release out of his stance low enough, and has poor explosiveness out of his stance. Poor acceleration for the guard position and way to high in his stance.

Almost all of this is acceptable at tackle. Since you only need quick feet and great hip movement. Ty has great hands and his 6 drop is really quick. He's a solid offensive tackle.

Trent was better at guard because of his natural athleticism and quickness.

Hopefully Sullivan is up to speed. Shouldn't be to hard for him to get there. Played the position his whole career. Just needs to learn line calls. The rest comes easy.

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Well hate that for Kory. Poor guy that can't catch a break!

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kory abandoned the wurst, that's what put him in the tiger's cage.

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Sullivan sounds like he's feeling pretty good already...I like what I'm reading here...this might be a surprise upgrade at C...if nothing else, then we have more options...all good.

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we cant let Cleveland stay in this game we need to crush them

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[quote=redskinjim;1150078]we cant let Cleveland stay in this game we need to crush them[/quote]

wrong thread?