Jordan Reed
 

Jordan Reed is the first TE in NFL history to reach 200 receptions this quickly.....is he having a HOF career so far or what?

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Yes.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

he's a monster, our version of A. Gates for the next 8 years

Re: Jordan Reed
 

I don't know about HOF, we need a SB that he plays a prominent role, but certainly earned Redskins history so far.

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Love this kid hes a baller. Got an autographed mini helmet over the summer of him. Nice piece to the collection.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Reed is such an awesome weapon. I dont think Cousins puts up the numbers or feels as comfortable without him in there.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=over the mountain;1150722]Reed is such an awesome weapon. I dont think Cousins puts up the numbers or feels as comfortable without him in there.[/quote]

I dont think many QBs would

Re: Jordan Reed
 

I've never seen someone break tackles like Reed. I am 99.99% sure every time he'll break the first tackle.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1150735]I've never seen someone break tackles like Reed. I am 99.99% sure every time he'll break the first tackle.[/QUOTE]


Yeah he's got some pretty sick moves and he's sneaky strong.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Oh man, this poor guy is messed up....
:(
Will he ever play another down?

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/59372/Jordan-Reed-hid-latest-concussion-until-the-day-after-Ravens-game/Default.aspx]Jordan Reed hid latest concussion until the day after Ravens game[/url]

Re: Jordan Reed
 

You question whether he'll ever play football again, based on reading that??

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Everyone is a neurologist these days.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=Schneed10;1152725]You question whether he'll ever play football again, based on reading that??[/quote]

No, not just that but his whole history of concussions.
How much press have concussions been getting lately?
You start covering them up and its going to cause a huge shit storm.
Either way I gotta believe that any doctor will tell him to stop playing ASAP.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=MTK;1152741]Everyone is a neurologist these days.[/quote]

He's had six concussions now. [url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/10/17/redskins-tight-end-jordan-reed-still-waiting-for-clearance-from-doctors/]Jordan Reed Still Waiting for Clearance from Doctors « CBS DC[/url]
You dont need to be a neurologist to know that that can shorten a career in football.
I'd hate to see him go but hes an idiot if he keeps playing.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

He plans on playing so I guess he's an idiot.

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AW just stop, man. You're so far in left field half the time I can't even read your posts.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Reed is fine, people need to realize that concussions are part of the game and have been. Favre said he had many concussions in his time and never even came out of games. It sucks but they know the risk and it's worth the reward IMO. $ talks.

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[quote=Schneed10;1152747]AW just stop, man. You're so far in left field half the time I can't even read your posts.[/quote]

pfffftttttt....
Brush it under the rug all you want but its changing the game the way we know it. (it already has)
Fast forward a dozen years and you may barely recognize the game.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1152751]pfffftttttt....
Brush it under the rug all you want but its changing the game the way we know it. (it already has)
Fast forward a dozen years and you may barely recognize the game.[/quote]

That's an entirely different statement from 'Reed will never play another down.' Which is uninformed.

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Thats not what I said.
I said "will he?"

And I'm associating Reeds condition and using him as an example regarding the NFLs current concussion dilemma.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Six concussions is nothing to brush off as insignificant. At the same time, it's his choice and, at this point, the long-term health risks are well-known. He's a grown ass man and, if he chooses to "assume the risk" by covering up his injuries so that he can continue to play, well, that's his choice.

The Skins medical team simply needs to have a sit down with him, give him the proper warnings, and sternly instruct him not to promptly report future concussive symptoms. Document the crap out of it and send him on his way. If he plays anyway or hides the symptoms, he's got no one but himself to blame. People are allowed to do dumb things.

More to the point, the root of the problem wasn't that concussions were happening; it was that the NFL knew they were an issue, wasn't telling the players about some of the risks, and, at times, flat out misleading them. Additionally, management was essentially saying, if you don't play through this, we may just have to cut you and find someone who will.

The NFL is now making sure that, if a player gets dinged, they are covering their asses by performing evaluations, keeping known injured players out, and not overtly forcing players to "play through the pain." Again, if a player with a concussion history chooses to play in this day and age, it's on him.

I am concerned that Reed's concussions will catch up with him sooner rather than later. He is a beast and I hope he is beasting for the Skins for many, many years. However, I do not foresee a particularly long career in his future. I hope I am wrong.

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Im with you Joe...

But Reed practiced yesterday and isn't ruled out for this week and he meets with a doctor for clearance tomorrow. Havent heard if he is practicing today.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1152754]Thats not what I said.
I said "will he?"

And I'm associating Reeds condition and using him as an example regarding the NFLs current concussion dilemma.[/quote]

Go away

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1152755]Six concussions is nothing to brush off as insignificant. At the same time, it's his choice and, at this point, the long-term health risks are well-known. He's a grown ass man and, if he chooses to "assume the risk" by covering up his injuries so that he can continue to play, well, that's his choice.

The Skins medical team simply needs to have a sit down with him, give him the proper warnings, and sternly instruct him not to promptly report future concussive symptoms. Document the crap out of it and send him on his way. If he plays anyway or hides the symptoms, he's got no one but himself to blame. People are allowed to do dumb things.

More to the point, the root of the problem wasn't that concussions were happening; it was that the NFL knew they were an issue, wasn't telling the players about some of the risks, and, at times, flat out misleading them. Additionally, management was essentially saying, if you don't play through this, we may just have to cut you and find someone who will.

The NFL is now making sure that, if a player gets dinged, they are covering their asses by performing evaluations, keeping known injured players out, and not overtly forcing players to "play through the pain." Again, if a player with a concussion history chooses to play in this day and age, it's on him.

I am concerned that Reed's concussions will catch up with him sooner rather than later. He is a beast and I hope he is beasting for the Skins for many, many years. [B]However, I do not foresee a particularly long career in his future. I hope I am wrong.[/B][/quote]

Welcome to overreaction city, population: JR. Yes it's a concern but to start talking about it ending his career early, there's no factual basis for that. He's stated publicly that he respects the choices of those like Chris Borland who have decided to retire from the game to avoid this issue, but in the same breath said that's not the way he's going to choose to do it.

So unless you can show me a bunch of guys whose career has been ended [B]against their will due to concussions[/B], then it's hyperbole.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=Schneed10;1152759]Go away[/quote]

Learn to read....

Re: Jordan Reed
 

No you're the puppet!

Re: Jordan Reed
 

<sigh> It's been a while since I have been Schneeded.

Yes. He's going to play because, for now, he can choose to do so without it affecting his play. To me, given his history with concussions and his general injury history, he seems to have a little of the "eggshell" effect - one of those guys who just gets injured. Further, because of that, I think it very possible he will get his bell rung one to many times with the result that his physical ability to play will become impaired.

In terms of players forced out due to concussive effects, two come to mind. Jahvid Best and Jovan Belcher. Of course, no one was talking about concussive effects being a factor until recently and the cumulative effects of multiple concussions has only recently been discussed at the NFL levels. In the case of Belcher, it wasn't until they exhumed his body and founds signs of CTE that the role of concussions in his murder-suicide was even considered.

Have players been cut b/c they weren't as sharp as they once were? Are there symptoms we recognize [I]now[/I] that weren't obvious before this discussion began? Bottom line is that, we don't know how many careers were cut short by concussive effects b/c no one was really checking that. While generally occurring later in life, some concussive effects can have permanent or live altering effects after even after a second such event.

[quote]Neurosurgeons and other brain-injury experts emphasize that although some concussions are less serious than others, there is no such thing as a "minor concussion." In most cases, a single concussion should not cause permanent damage. A second concussion soon after the first one, however, does not have to be very strong for its effects to be deadly or [I]permanently disabling[/I].[/quote]

[url=http://www.aans.org/Patient%20Information/Conditions%20and%20Treatments/Concussion.aspx]AANS - Concussion[/url]

Then there's this: [url=http://hypun.com/11-nfl-careers-cut-short-by-concussions/12/]11 NFL Careers Cut Short By Concussions[/url]

Just b/c it is only recently that this issue has gotten attention doesn't mean players weren't affected by it previously. Because concussions effect everyone differently, and not every head trauma is the same, I suspect that, for every guy who has played through 15-20 concussions with no ill-effects, there are guys who are never the same after the first couple. There is simply no way to know how many players' careers were ended "against their will" b/c of concussions for the simple reason that, before 2010 or so, it was not a matter of public attention. Guys who had their "bell-rung" one too many times were likely cut with little or no fanfare.

I concede you one point. Much depends on the willingness of the player to play on despite numerous concussions. At the same time, you want to pretend that concussions can never have a progressive effect on a player's physical abilities and cut his NFL career short? Well, that's just obstinate Schneeding.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

I just want to say one thing. If Reed was my son or brother or whatever I would seriously consider talking him into retirement. It is painfully obvious what repeated brain injuries can do to a person LATER ON in their life. Of course as a Redskin fan I want him out there. Of course as a young standout star in the league Reed wants to be out there. So bad that he has admittedly hid his injuries in the past.
Schneed When you say "there is no factual basis to start talking about it ending his career early" - well yes...there is no law that states you must retire when you reach a certain amount of concussions. HOWEVER there is plenty of factual basis for it being a huge issue in the years to come. So, that being said I dont think it is "over reaction" it is concern. Reed is a kid who is on track to be a great nfl player and make a boatload of money. Of course he doesn't want to retire. Ask Junior Seau if he could go back and retire early- would he? Whoops can't ask him. Tons of others dealing with it now that you could ask though.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=MTK;1152762]No you're the puppet![/quote]

Freezer Dolls? those dolls are some cold hombres...

Re: Jordan Reed
 

The tight end said that his family has expressed concern about his health, as have Redskins coaches and officials.

“[My family members] are always going to show concern and stuff like that because they care more about my health than anything, but I’ve got to take care of my family, so I’ve got to do what I’ve got to do,” Reed said.

Asked about his fear of long-term damage, Reed said, “It comes into my mind sometimes, but I pray a lot and I’ve got faith in the Lord that I’ll be all right, so that’s how I think.”

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/10/19/jordan-reed-hid-latest-concussion-from-redskins-until-the-day-after-ravens-game/[/url]

To say 5 or 6 concussions for a 4th year player is not a concern is just plain silly. He seems to understand the risk vs reward and right now, he views the risk as a necessary element for providing for his family. A few years from now and another concussion or two .. maybe the scales tip towards retirement.
I think we all agree we wish him the best and hope Burfict doesnt cheap shot him in London.

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[quote=over the mountain;1152768]The tight end said that his family has expressed concern about his health, as have Redskins coaches and officials.

“[My family members] are always going to show concern and stuff like that because they care more about my health than anything, but I’ve got to take care of my family, so I’ve got to do what I’ve got to do,” Reed said.

Asked about his fear of long-term damage, Reed said, “[B]It comes into my mind sometimes, but I pray a lot and I’ve got faith in the Lord that I’ll be all right, so that’s how I think.[/B]”

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/10/19/jordan-reed-hid-latest-concussion-from-redskins-until-the-day-after-ravens-game/[/url]

To say 5 or 6 concussions for a 4th year player is not a concern is just plain silly. He seems to understand the risk vs reward and right now, he views the risk as a necessary element for providing for his family. A few years from now and another concussion or two .. maybe the scales tip towards retirement.
I think we all agree we wish him the best and hope Burfict doesnt cheap shot him in London.[/quote]

The man upstairs is his doctor...no worries, he'll be fine

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1152769]The man upstairs is his doctor...no worries, he'll be fine[/QUOTE]



Rite.....and he has to take care of his family? Dudes already made more than i will for the rest of my life. Please.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Yes, if Jordan Reed does not care about his future health and cares more about the money, that is his choice to make. Nobody can make that decision for him.
But the team can decide as some point that enough is enough.
It is scientifically proven that your brain become more susceptible to concussion with each subsequent concussion. Your brain becomes weaker and more loose in your head, you do not recover from that or have a surgery to correct it like a loose joint.
If things continue on their current track there will reach a point that his concussions will be more and more frequent. He will miss more time and the team may decide they do want to invest a multi-Million dollar salary cap slot on a player that if you breath on him too heavy will get a concussion and miss significant time.
That is when it becomes ok for the FO and skins fans to talk about this serious situation.
Yes, today Reed is probably ok and for now on his way to recovery. But a 26 year old having at least 6 concussions and he plays NFL football, it is probable that he will get hit hard on the head again soon and this repeats.
I hope he is smart enough to start looking now at optional careers after football.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1152764]<sigh> It's been a while since I have been Schneeded.

Yes. He's going to play because, for now, he can choose to do so without it affecting his play. To me, given his history with concussions and his general injury history, he seems to have a little of the "eggshell" effect - one of those guys who just gets injured. Further, because of that, I think it very possible he will get his bell rung one to many times with the result that his physical ability to play will become impaired.

In terms of players forced out due to concussive effects, two come to mind. Jahvid Best and Jovan Belcher. Of course, no one was talking about concussive effects being a factor until recently and the cumulative effects of multiple concussions has only recently been discussed at the NFL levels. In the case of Belcher, it wasn't until they exhumed his body and founds signs of CTE that the role of concussions in his murder-suicide was even considered.

Have players been cut b/c they weren't as sharp as they once were? Are there symptoms we recognize [I]now[/I] that weren't obvious before this discussion began? Bottom line is that, we don't know how many careers were cut short by concussive effects b/c no one was really checking that. While generally occurring later in life, some concussive effects can have permanent or live altering effects after even after a second such event.



[url=http://www.aans.org/Patient%20Information/Conditions%20and%20Treatments/Concussion.aspx]AANS - Concussion[/url]

Then there's this: [url=http://hypun.com/11-nfl-careers-cut-short-by-concussions/12/]11 NFL Careers Cut Short By Concussions[/url]

Just b/c it is only recently that this issue has gotten attention doesn't mean players weren't affected by it previously. Because concussions effect everyone differently, and not every head trauma is the same, I suspect that, for every guy who has played through 15-20 concussions with no ill-effects, there are guys who are never the same after the first couple. There is simply no way to know how many players' careers were ended "against their will" b/c of concussions for the simple reason that, before 2010 or so, it was not a matter of public attention. Guys who had their "bell-rung" one too many times were likely cut with little or no fanfare.

I concede you one point. Much depends on the willingness of the player to play on despite numerous concussions. At the same time, you want to pretend that concussions can never have a progressive effect on a player's physical abilities and cut his NFL career short? Well, that's just obstinate Schneeding.[/quote]

Holy blah blah blah.

Dude, you found an article saying there are 11 out of the thousands of players who have played in the NFL over that period. If he's willing to play through it, as he said he has, there's very little reason to believe he'll be one of the very rare folks to be forced out due to brain health.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned for him. Never did I brush it aside. I'm "Schneeding" this asinine idea that he may not play another down (AW) and that this may shorten his career. That's a bridge too far.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1152773]. , there's very little reason to believe he'll be one of the very rare folks to be forced out due to brain health.

.[/QUOTE]


Do you think there are many guys so early on in their careers that have already suffered so many concussions? Maybe there are? His particular situation would appear to me as a bit extreme at this point....

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=punch it in;1152774]Do you think there are many guys so early on in their careers that have already suffered so many concussions? Maybe there are? His particular situation would appear to me as a bit extreme at this point....[/quote]

Show me some data to support that statement.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

Overreaction city actually has a population of 2. IMO Reed should retire. Not because the 6th concussion in and of itself demands it, but because his future self and life is worth it.

If he has had 6 concussions in his NFL career, how many did he have in college? HS? How many more will he have before one sets him down by it's choosing and not his own.

If he chooses to play I will cheer at every first down he pulls out.

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1152775]Show me some data to support that statement.[/QUOTE]



What that 6 concussions in year four is a lot?

Re: Jordan Reed
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1152776]Overreaction city actually has a population of 2. IMO Reed should retire. Not because the 6th concussion in and of itself demands it, but because his future self and life is worth it.

If he has had 6 concussions in his NFL career, how many did he have in college? HS? How many more will he have before one sets him down by it's choosing and not his own.

If he chooses to play I will cheer at every first down he pulls out.[/quote]

"Should" and "will" are entirely different. I would probably agree with "should" myself. But that's not what got my attention, what got my attention was these assertions that Reed [U]will[/U] have a shortened career. They're not at all fact-based.

He has said he intends to keep playing. So unless somebody can demonstrate through data that concussions lead to a high likelihood of a shortened career [U]against the player's will[/U], then this is stupid.

Jordan Reed
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1152778]"Should" and "will" are entirely different. I would probably agree with "should" myself. But that's not what got my attention, what got my attention was these assertions that Reed [U]will[/U] have a shortened career. They're not at all fact-based.



He has said he intends to keep playing. So unless somebody can demonstrate through data that concussions lead to a high likelihood of a shortened career [U]against the player's will[/U], then this is stupid.[/QUOTE]



I hear what you are saying completely. It is ultimately up to the player. Remember that only recently did the nfl make this a serious issue though. Therefore there probably isn't a whole lot of data on guys retiring early because of it. All the old timers found out after they were already effed up. You have a few that have walked away since so much light was cast on the problem. As research becomes clearer and these guys make more money faster you will see more make that decision.