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Josh Doctson to IR

Utter disappointment this year. Just disgusting imo. Injury prone

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-remain-perplexed-by-josh-doctson-and-the-pain-in-both-achilles-tendons/2016/10/20/189a6526-96f7-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html[/url]

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hated the pick the moment it happened.

liked it once i watched a bunch of his highlights.

not liking it a lot right now.

hopefully he'll form an extremely strong tandem w crowder for the next decade.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1152847]Disappointing, but no need to get all worked up about it IMO.[/quote]

This. Luckily we weren't planning on having a big role for him this year anyways. It would hurt worse if we expected him to start.

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So I guess Scott punching the wall was justified.

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Washington’s first-round pick out of Texas Christian University, Doctson injured himself in May — the first day of voluntary practices ....

“It’s kind of a lingering issue, and we had some things done over the break to help speed up the process,” Doctson said Thursday morning when asked about his health. “I’m really looking forward to this as my first day of rehab, so I’ll get out there and see what my body is able to do this afternoon.

“I’m not really concerned because I know my body, and I’ve never really had lingering problems,” Doctson added. “I heal fast.”

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/07/28/josh-doctson-downplays-concerns-over-lingering-achilles-tendon-injury/[/url]

^^ article from when he first injured his achillies.

Those "first practice" injuries .... sucks he is not out there.

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[quote=mooby;1152849]This. Luckily we weren't planning on having a big role for him this year anyways. It would hurt worse if we expected him to start.[/quote]

Yeah our receiver corps is strong AF. Hope we'll have him around next year. Just look at Perriman for the ravens, a year on IR, missed the training camps of his second season and he's making quite a good debut. And from what I get Doctson injury isn't nearly as bad as Perriman's.

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to me, its fairly bad the doctors cant figure out what the f*ck is wrong. Is this just a complete tear waiting to happen? FFS, this isn't good.

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It happens. Not like he was going to be used much anyway. If he is a bust he's a bust, not all draft picks turn out. We'll see next year if he's going to be a good player.

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I mean if the doctors cant figure it out, maybe he needs to schedule an appointment here a Warpath E.U.

Our history speaks for itself and our faculty list is top notch. Can someone reach to Josh to schedule an appointment?

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[quote=Chico23231;1152858]I mean if the doctors cant figure it out, maybe he needs to schedule an appointment here a Warpath E.U.

Our history speaks for itself and our faculty list is top notch. Can someone reach to Josh to schedule an appointment?[/quote]

i emailed his gmail and gmailed his email.

once he shreds the faxes we should have a dial tone.

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This team simply has no luck with wr's in the early rounds. Personally I hate drafting wr's in the 1st round. But anyhow, glad they're shutting him down. He shouldn't do anything for the next 3 months except rehab and rest.

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well, not unexpected. I won't lose sleep on this.

even though it didn't work out this year, there's no reason to think this pick will be a waste (at least not yet).

give the kid a year to get things sorted out...he'll come back more mature next year anyway.

Many a great WR took a year or two to get things rolling....Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell come to mind.

Hopefully he'll turn out to be that kind of quality.

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I like the part where he says he heals fast.....
pffffttttttt

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Sucks but that's football, guys get hurt. Oh well.

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Holy hell, the sky is falling in this thread too. Take it easy chicken little Chico. Just because it's an injury that puzzles doctors now doesn't mean it won't heal and doesn't mean it's permanently debilitating.

We've known this was coming. Let's hope he gets well. If he's still not better come February then there's cause for alarm, and it will change our plans in free agency. No need to panic yet.

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Nonsurgical Treatment Options
Most cases are successfully treated non-surgically although this is time-consuming and frustrating for active patients. Treatment is less likely to be successful if symptoms have been present more than six months. Nonsurgical management includes nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications, rest, immobilization, limitation of activity, ice, contrast baths, stretching and heel lifts.

If symptoms fail to resolve after two to three months, a formal physical therapy program may be of benefit. An arch support may help if there is an associated flatfoot. A cast or brace to completely rest this area may be necessary. Extracorporeal shockwave therapy and platelet-rich plasma injections have variable reports of success. Nitroglycerin medication applied to the overlying skin may be of benefit.

[url=http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/conditions/ailments-of-the-ankle/Pages/Achilles-Tendinitis.aspx]Achilles Tendinitis[/url]

Just give it some time. Lots and lots of time.

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Oh well... if he bounces back, and plays well next year it will be like an extra 1st round pick IF he pans out and plays up to potential... otherwise i really hope it doesnt go down as a wasted 1st rounder

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He'll be fine, I know people think he's Malcolm Kelly Jr. He's not, get over it.

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How many Achilles injuries have been rehabbed in a quick manner? This isn't surprising, and one injury doesn't mean he's injury prone. I like the move, now instead of trying to rush it he can focus on being fully healthy for next year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1152875]He'll be fine, I know people think he's Malcolm Kelly Jr. He's not, get over it.[/quote]

Everyone's a neurologist these days.

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Plenty of orthopedists up in this piece as well apparently

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Dr. Chico M.D. Official treatment- 1. rub some dirt on it 2. Blue Dream and Norhthern Lights medicinal marijuana for pain treatment

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[quote=Chico23231;1152881]Dr. Chico M.D. Official treatment- 1. rub some dirt on it 2. Blue Dream and Norhthern Lights medicinal marijuana for pain treatment[/quote]

also some skywalker og and true og.

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This does suck. When u think of how we could used the pic otherwise and I believe the Texans pick is actually doing well.

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[QUOTE=los panda;1152885]also some skywalker og and true og.[/QUOTE]

Love me some skywalker

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I'm glad they're shutting him down. This was a pick for next year and the future. Excited to see him play when he's ready.

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Maurice Harris out of Cal takes his roster spot.

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So what do we do with DJax and Garçon next year? Rely on Doctson and his potential and part with one or both of them? Hard call with Doctson's not being able to see the field at all this year.

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4-2 without Josh and good protection if we can't re-sign one or both of Jackson/Garcon. Next year it will be like having 2 1st round picks, plus we already have extra picks, and are in good salary cap condition as far as I'm aware. We should be able to load up pretty good next season. I think we're a borderline playoff team this year, and a definite playoff team next year. Httr! Beat Detroit! Five in a row!

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[quote=Chico23231;1152845]Utter disappointment this year. Just disgusting imo. Injury prone

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-remain-perplexed-by-josh-doctson-and-the-pain-in-both-achilles-tendons/2016/10/20/189a6526-96f7-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html[/url][/quote]

we do not know if he is injury prone or not!! . . . injury prone is getting injury after injury after injury . . . so far he has had 1, it just hasn't healed yet and according to Gruden, they pushed him a bit too hard before he was ready . . . 1 injury does not make injury prone.

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Mike Jones on 980 yesterday was saying both his Achilles are in pain? Hadnt heard that before

Whatever the case, can't wait til he's healthy. The coaches must really love the guy to hold out on IRing him this long

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1152906]we do not know if he is injury prone or not!! . . . injury prone is getting injury after injury after injury . . . so far he has had 1, it just hasn't healed yet and according to Gruden, they pushed him a bit too hard before he was ready . . . 1 injury does not make injury prone.[/quote]

No it's like 3 different injuries...[url=http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/injury-predictor/injury-predictor/player/29256]Josh Doctson injury history and analysis[/url]

Wrist, hand and now Achilles. The strange thing is nobody figure out what's wrong with his Achilles...it's in pain but nothing showing up as actually injuried in medical test.

It might just be the redskins drafting-WR-injury curse. Yes this is a thing now. Because medically no one can diagnose what the fuck is wrong with the Achilles

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1152893]Maurice Harris out of Cal takes his roster spot.[/QUOTE]

Ugghh. None of those west coast guys ever pan out......
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i hate it out here when you specifically have to say cal [I]berkeley[/I].

it says "cal" on the fucking helmet, you know which cal i'm talking about!!!

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The following are parts of an article on achilles tendon injuries from [I]Runners World[/I]:

Achilles Injury

By Brian Fullem, D.P.M.

The Achilles tendon is the largest tendon in the body and one of the more difficult injuries to treat in a runner. As a sports medicine podiatrist there are only a few injuries that lead me to advise runners that they have to take time off; Achilles tendinopathy is one of those diagnoses. The proper medical terminology no longer includes tendinitis when discussing injury of this tendon. A landmark paper in 1976 showed that under microscopic examination the injured Achilles tendon shows no inflammatory cells within the tendon but rather degeneration; therefore, tendinitis is not the proper term. This has led to a greater understanding in the treatment of this injury.
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The most common cause of Achilles tendinopathy is overuse. Tendons will typically not get injured until they are fatigued. Other causes include lack of flexibility, excessive overpronation, changes in training terrain, changing shoes, training in the morning, increases in training intensity, adding speed work or hill work. Two miscellaneous causes include prior use of oral steroids and the antibiotic class known as Quinolones, which includes the commonly prescribed drug Cipro (ciprofloxacin).
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The single most important aspect of treating this injury is early intervention and treatment. Rest is paramount for this injury to improve. As is the case in the beginning of most injuries, it will warm up initially at the start of a run and the run can be completed pain free. My rule of thumb is that if there is swelling, burning and/or pain, you should take some time off from running. When the injury starts to enter the chronic stage of longer than two to three weeks, strengthening exercises need to be added as part of the treatment plan.
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If you are a moderate to severe overpronator then a custom orthotic device may help correct the causative factors.* Working with a sports physical therapist has been critical to the successful treatment of my patients with this injury. Modalities such as electrical stimulation and ultrasound can help to improve this injury, combined with a therapist teaching proper technique for stretching and strengthening. There are several studies that support a hypothesis that therapeutic ultrasound can help repair injured tendons. When all the treatments fail and the injured tendon is preventing normal activity, then the use of a removable walking boot to completely immobilize the tendon should be considered. Remember that this must be followed by a rehabilitation of the muscles because atrophy will occur from immobilization.
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Extracorporeal Shock Wave Therapy (ESWT) has also shown to be somewhat effective in treating this injury. Shock wave therapy theoretically promotes the formation of new blood vessels in the treated area to promote healing of the tissue. The last resort is surgical intervention. Dr Amol Saxena, a top sports medicine podiatrist in Palo Alto, CA, has successfully operated on the Achilles of many Olympians. When is it time for runners to consider surgery? "When they have done all the non-surgical things, rested completely from running three to six months, when they have pain after every run or they are limping," says Dr. Saxena. The majority of Dr. Saxena's patients get back to prior activity levels within two to six months.
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Overall, 90 percent get better without surgery, but a recent study conducted by Dr. Nicola Maffulli, Professor of Trauma and Orthopaedic Surgery at Keele University School of Medicine in the United Kingdom, showed that rest, ESWT and eccentric exercise only reduced symptoms in about 30 percent, 60 percent and 60 percent of the patients studied, respectively.
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Dr. Brian Fullem is a podiatrist in Newtown, CT.

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on the bright side, there are two positives that may come out of this move....

1) Maurice Harris - if this guy gets comfortable, he could be a real force
he's 6' 3" and is now our tallest WR on the roster
not saying it will happen, but the guy has potential

2) Josh can be activated from IR in week 15
he's still going to meetings and keep digesting things

if Dr. Chico can figure out his injury, activating him again could be a good
adrenaline shot as we head into the playoffs

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[quote=Meks;1152870]Oh well... if he bounces back, and plays well next year it will be like an extra 1st round pick IF he pans out and plays up to potential... otherwise i really hope it doesnt go down as a wasted 1st rounder[/quote]

I suspect we'll see Doctson by the end of the year. He just needs rest. He should have a monster year next year.