2017 Redskins Salary Cap Status
 

Here we are, 2017. The current cap space, and potential course of action from the front office so we can all be informed on the impact of various moves.

Projected Salary Cap: $168.0M
[U][INDENT]Cap Space Carried Over from 2016: $15.0M[/INDENT][/U]
Redskins Cap: $183.0M

Entering 2017 Redskins Cap Total (Top 51): $120.0M
Retired: Kory Lichtensteiger $3.5M
[U]Net Player Added to 51: ($0.5M)[/U]
[B]Current Cap Room: $66.0M[/B]

[U]Candidates for Release (Impact on Cap Space)[/U][INDENT]Releasing DeAngelo Hall clears $4.3M
Releasing Shawn Lauvao clears $4.0M
Releasing Ricky Jean-Francois clears $3.0M
Releasing Niles Paul clears $2.0M
[U]Net Four Players Added Back to top 51: ($2.0M)[/U][/INDENT]Cap Room Created (Used): $11.3M

[B]Cap Room After Releasing Players: $77.3M[/B]

[U]Resigning Redskins Free Agents (Impact on Cap Space)[/U][INDENT]Kirk Cousins Franchise Tag ($24.0M)
Pierre Garcon ($8.0M)
Chris Baker ($8.0M)
Vernon Davis ($3.0M)
Junior Galette ($1.5M)
Nick Sundberg ($1.0M)
Ziggy Hood ($2.0M)
Greg Toler ($1.0M)
Chris Thompson ($3.0M)
Will Compton ($4.0M)
Duke Ihenacho ($1.0M)
[U]Net 11 Players Removed from Top 51 $5.5M[/U][/INDENT]Cap Room Created (Used): $(51.0M)

[B]Available Cap Room in Free Agency and Draft: $26.3M[/B]

[SIZE="1"]Note: if a player is expected to cost vet minimum to resign like a Terence Garvin might, then I do not list them here because the cap impact of resigning them is a net zero, once you account for the impact of the player they displace from the top 51.

Note: if they don't release all five of the players I have listed here, they'd have less space.

Note: if they let some of their own free agents walk, like Garcon, they'd have more space.[/SIZE]

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What would you do? You can't resign everyone and still expect a free agent bonanza - there will be some choices to make. Want Kawaan Short? You'll probably need to let a WR walk.

Also the numbers shown here next to most player names are educated guesses at cap impact. Feel free to debate those, but they shouldn't be more than a million or two off for each player.

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I would keep Niles Paul and Francois.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1161504]I would keep Niles Paul and Francois.[/quote]

I probably would bring them to camp and let them battle it out with whoever I end up with the roster at that point. If we don't bring Davis back then it's more important to keep Niles. If we get Davis, and we already have Reed and Carrier too, I'm probably better off using the $2.0M in space for Niles elsewhere on the roster.

Ricky Jean is a character guy. I like him, I guess I'm just hoping we've got enough talent to bump him from the rotation next year. If we still need him in the rotation then I'm not sure I love my line talent.

But this is why I love the cap space stuff, it brings up all the armchair GM questions.

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Schneed thanks so much.

Ill put it here, but I think our top 2 free agent signing should be Guard Ron Leary at LG and Benie Logan DT.

Leary been steady and was depth at the beginning of the year for the Cowboys b4 stepping in and excelling for the Boys. They cant afford him. He made 2.5 million, probably double that avg per year.

Bennie Logan had a down year for the Eagles due to injuries, new scheme and general ineptness by the eagles. Before that, he had improved every year at DT. He could be affordable.

Both these guys are entering prime and could help in the trenches.

Im down with keeping Ricky Jean as well. Id let Niles walk for sure.

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I love Bennie Logan. He'd be a great get. I do think he'll be costly. Lots of teams saw the Eagles without him on the field due to that groin injury, and the difference he made when he returned.

He'd be a little more than Chris Baker.

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I think I would let Niles Paul walk. He was ready to take a big step before his season ending injury - which of course led to Jordan Reed's breakout year - but since his return, he really hasn't done much. I think Vernon Davis is more valuable to us at this point.

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I don't know if Id bring back Wil Compton, but I may look at Zach Brown, ILB from Buffalo or Gerald Hodges ILB from [B]San Fran[/B](patiently waiting for SFRED approval). I think for around equal dollars 4-5 million we would upgrade.

Adding 3 solid starters from free agency at LB, LG and DT/DE is the way to go. Along with 9 picks (to start) in the upcoming draft focused D-Line, Secondary, RB and WR...Id be extremely happy.

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I agree with the approach to pursue solid starters. I would definitely hope McCloughan continues to avoid the "Day 1" free agents. The Giants got a pretty good player in Olivier Vernon but he's among the most highly paid defensive players in the NFL. That eventually comes back to haunt you.

I hope McCloughan lets the market set itself over the first couple weeks, but then pays the freight necessary to avoid being left with gaping holes at some of these key spots.

It's a fine line to walk but he's got to do it. We have some glaring needs.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161527]I agree with the approach to pursue solid starters. [B]I would definitely hope McCloughan continues to avoid the "Day 1" free agents[/B]. The Giants got a pretty good player in Olivier Vernon but he's among the most highly paid defensive players in the NFL. That eventually comes back to haunt you.

I hope McCloughan lets the market set itself over the first couple weeks, but then pays the freight necessary to avoid being left with gaping holes at some of these key spots.

It's a fine line to walk but he's got to do it. We have some glaring needs.[/quote]

With our luck it would be....BUTTTTT if there was 1 guy I would probably look at eric berry FS in KC. That guy just has badass written all over him

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[quote=Schneed10;1161503]What would you do? You can't resign everyone and still expect a free agent bonanza - there will be some choices to make. Want Kawaan Short? You'll probably need to let a WR walk.

Also the numbers shown here next to most player names are educated guesses at cap impact. Feel free to debate those, but they shouldn't be more than a million or two off for each player.[/quote]

I think it is decision time on KC. Another year with a franchise tag is not the answer. If they sign him to a long term contract his cap number could be much lower.

The same is true about Baker. A 3 year contract might be closer to $6 million the first year.

I do not want Duke or Toler back.

They must draft d lineman. They are to expensive to as free agents.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161501]Here we are, 2017. The current cap space, and potential course of action from the front office so we can all be informed on the impact of various moves.

Projected Salary Cap: $168.0M
[U][INDENT]Cap Space Carried Over from 2016: $15.0M[/INDENT][/U]
Redskins Cap: $183.0M

Entering 2017 Redskins Cap Total (Top 51): $120.0M

[B]Current Cap Room: $63.0M[/B]

[U]Candidates for Release (Impact on Cap Space)[/U][INDENT]Releasing DeAngelo Hall clears $4.3M
Releasing Shawn Lauvao clears $4.0M
Releasing Kory Lichtensteiger clears $3.5M
Releasing Ricky Jean-Francois clears $3.0M
Releasing Niles Paul clears $2.0M
[U]Net Five Players Added Back to top 51: ($2.5M)[/U][/INDENT]Cap Room Created (Used): $14.3M

[B]Cap Room After Releasing Players: $77.3M[/B]

[U]Resigning Redskins Free Agents (Impact on Cap Space)[/U][INDENT]Kirk Cousins Franchise Tag ($24.0M)
Pierre Garcon ($8.0M)
Chris Baker ($8.0M)
Vernon Davis ($3.0M)
Junior Galette ($1.5M)
Nick Sundberg ($1.0M)
Ziggy Hood ($2.0M)
Greg Toler ($1.0M)
Chris Thompson ($3.0M)
Will Compton ($4.0M)
Duke Ihenacho ($1.0M)
[U]Net 11 Players Removed from Top 51 $5.5M[/U][/INDENT]Cap Room Created (Used): $(51.0M)

[B]Available Cap Room in Free Agency and Draft: $16.3M[/B]

[SIZE="1"]Note: if a player is expected to cost vet minimum to resign like a Terence Garvin might, then I do not list them here because the cap impact of resigning them is a net zero, once you account for the impact of the player they displace from the top 51.

Note: if they don't release all five of the players I have listed here, they'd have less space.

Note: if they let some of their own free agents walk, like Garcon, they'd have more space.[/SIZE][/quote]


Question: Isn't $77.3 (room after releasing players)
minus $51.0 (cap room used to resign)
$26.3?

Seems the cap room available is $10 Million more than you say.

And I'm REALLY nervous about arguing numbers with the Schneed....

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1161540]Question: Isn't $77.3 (room after releasing players)
minus $51.0 (cap room used to resign)
$26.3?

Seems the cap room available is $10 Million more than you say.

And I'm REALLY nervous about arguing numbers with the Schneed....[/quote]

Your right, brainfart?

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[quote=Schneed10;1161527]I agree with the approach to pursue solid starters. I would definitely hope McCloughan continues to avoid the "Day 1" free agents. The Giants got a pretty good player in Olivier Vernon but he's among the most highly paid defensive players in the NFL. That eventually comes back to haunt you.

I hope McCloughan lets the market set itself over the first couple weeks, but then pays the freight necessary to avoid being left with gaping holes at some of these key spots.

It's a fine line to walk but he's got to do it. We have some glaring needs.[/quote]

This. We don't need or have the room for day 1 free agents. But we have too many holes to fill through the draft. A couple trades or mid-level signings have to be done.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161501]Here we are, 2017. The current cap space, and potential course of action from the front office so we can all be informed on the impact of various moves.

Projected Salary Cap: $168.0M
[U][INDENT]Cap Space Carried Over from 2016: $15.0M[/INDENT][/U]
Redskins Cap: $183.0M

Entering 2017 Redskins Cap Total (Top 51): $120.0M

[B]Current Cap Room: $63.0M[/B]

[U]Candidates for Release (Impact on Cap Space)[/U][INDENT]Releasing DeAngelo Hall clears $4.3M
Releasing Shawn Lauvao clears $4.0M
Releasing Kory Lichtensteiger clears $3.5M
Releasing Ricky Jean-Francois clears $3.0M
Releasing Niles Paul clears $2.0M
[U]Net Five Players Added Back to top 51: ($2.5M)[/U][/INDENT]Cap Room Created (Used): $14.3M

[B]Cap Room After Releasing Players: $77.3M[/B]

[U]Resigning Redskins Free Agents (Impact on Cap Space)[/U][INDENT]Kirk Cousins Franchise Tag ($24.0M)
Pierre Garcon ($8.0M)
Chris Baker ($8.0M)
Vernon Davis ($3.0M)
Junior Galette ($1.5M)
Nick Sundberg ($1.0M)
Ziggy Hood ($2.0M)
Greg Toler ($1.0M)
Chris Thompson ($3.0M)
Will Compton ($4.0M)
Duke Ihenacho ($1.0M)
[U]Net 11 Players Removed from Top 51 $5.5M[/U][/INDENT]Cap Room Created (Used): $(51.0M)

[B]Available Cap Room in Free Agency and Draft: $16.3M[/B]

[SIZE="1"]Note: if a player is expected to cost vet minimum to resign like a Terence Garvin might, then I do not list them here because the cap impact of resigning them is a net zero, once you account for the impact of the player they displace from the top 51.

Note: if they don't release all five of the players I have listed here, they'd have less space.

Note: if they let some of their own free agents walk, like Garcon, they'd have more space.[/SIZE][/quote]

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I would be okay if they let Compton walk.

I like the guy and I've said before I think DL and FS are absolute priorities, this D could be efficient with improvements at these 2 positions.

But he is clearly not physical enough, 4M more in cap space entering FA would be nice.

And we gotta aggressively draft defense anyway. So if we gonna have below average play at ILB I'd rather have it be because of rookie mistakes than mediocre player.

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One thing to consider too: anyone we let walk because of performance, remember we DO need depth. Just because Compton isn't great, I'd still hang onto him (and many other role players) if the price is right.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1161540]Question: Isn't $77.3 (room after releasing players)
minus $51.0 (cap room used to resign)
$26.3?

Seems the cap room available is $10 Million more than you say.

And I'm REALLY nervous about arguing numbers with the Schneed....[/quote]

Yes, lol, major brainfart. Without a spreadsheet I'm nothing.

Hey, this is a happy discovery. It's $26M available in free agency, not $16M. I'll fix the OP.

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Also, if they do let Lauvao walk, wouldn't they need to resign Ty Nsekhe ?

I know he's a tackle but I read somewhere he could play guard. Another talented back up OL would be nice. Couldn't we keep him at a reasonable price?

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I bet he gets low-end starter money on a place that needs a stop-gap, pretty decent LT.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1161571]Also, if they do let Lauvao walk, wouldn't they need to resign Ty Nsekhe ?

I know he's a tackle but I read somewhere he could play guard. Another talented back up OL would be nice. Couldn't we keep him at a reasonable price?[/quote]

You're absolutely right, we could end up keeping Nsekhe. But I do think he held up really well in the 4-game stint for Williams, and I think that was enough of an audition for a tackle-needy team to throw a few million at him on a short deal.

You're right, if we don't keep him, we'd need to find or draft a comparable replacement. Painter is also a free agent, makes me wonder what the staff thinks of him.

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Also, if we're looking to replace Lauvao, here's a list of some that might be a lot better with a similar contract: [url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/]2017 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac[/url]

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Note I didn't have DJax coming back in my post. Could use some of the $26M in space on retaining him.

But I think he wants to be an Eagle so I didn't put him in my numbers.

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Would be interested to see some projections on that potential Kenny Britt contract. Damn, we would have some crazy size with him and Doctson.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1161576]Would be interested to see some projections on that potential Kenny Britt contract. Damn, we would have some crazy size with him and Doctson.[/quote]

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Redskins-targeting-free-agent-wide-receiver-50275559]Report: Redskins targeting free agent wide receiver[/url]

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If the Skins sign Kirk Cousins to a long-term contract, are there ways that they would be able to reduce the cap hit for him in the first one or two years of his deal? If so, do you have any idea of how much cap space might be cleared in 2017 by way of a long-term deal for Kirk?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1161581]If the Skins sign Kirk Cousins to a long-term contract, are there ways that they would be able to reduce the cap hit for him in the first one or two years of his deal? If so, do you have any idea of how much cap space might be cleared in 2017 by way of a long-term deal for Kirk?[/quote]

sure, the normal thing is a big signing bonus that is prorated for the length of the contract. (Against the cap) Then a low first year salary.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1161583]sure, the normal thing is a big signing bonus that is prorated for the length of the contract. (Against the cap) Then a low first year salary.[/quote]

Thanks. It seems that we could save a significant amount of cap space, especially in the first year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1161578][URL="http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Redskins-targeting-free-agent-wide-receiver-50275559"]Report: Redskins targeting free agent wide receiver[/URL][/quote]

I'm not a big Kenny Britt fan, I feel he's another bad season away from going back to journeyman status. Last year was really the first year he's put up decent numbers for a team. If it was for a team friendly contract I wouldn't mind bringing him in but it looks like he wants to get paid.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1161581]If the Skins sign Kirk Cousins to a long-term contract, are there ways that they would be able to reduce the cap hit for him in the first one or two years of his deal? If so, do you have any idea of how much cap space might be cleared in 2017 by way of a long-term deal for Kirk?[/quote]

Yes it would definitely bring the cap hit down in year one. If you look at how most franchise QBs have their contracts structured, it is reasonable to think Cousins's 2017 cap hit could be only $16M instead of the $24M it would be under the tag. It could free up $8M that way.

Like all fans I'm very curious to see what their position will be. Will they commit or take another show me posture.

Know what, if you look at the way they structured Norman's contract, which has a cap hit of $20M in 2017 and then gets lower going forward, I almost think they did that on purpose. It's like they said lets take a big hit on Norman in 2017 when Cousins will be lower, then over time the Cousins cap hit gets bigger while Norman's gets smaller. It almost feels like they did that on purpose so those two big deals would fit together like puzzle pieces.

I could be reading too much.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1161574]Also, if we're looking to replace Lauvao, here's a list of some that might be a lot better with a similar contract: [url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/]2017 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac[/url][/quote]

There are some big names on that list.
Not sure how good they are though.

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Hey folks with Restricted Free Agents (Wil Compton, Chris Thompson, Nsehke)...how does that work again? Do we slot them a one year tender offer that corresponds with a draft pick? Then they can 1) accept it and sign 2) Take the offer and negotiate with other teams and if the other team signs them, then we receive compensation in the form of draft pick? 3) And Id imagine we can just go ahead and sign them to a long term deal?

Sorry, im tripping on acid and confused...any help?

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[quote=Chico23231;1161617]Hey folks with Restricted Free Agents (Wil Compton, Chris Thompson, Nsehke)...how does that work again? Do we slot them a one year tender offer that corresponds with a draft pick? Then they can 1) accept it and sign 2) Take the offer and negotiate with other teams and if the other team signs them, then we receive compensation in the form of draft pick? 3) And Id imagine we can just go ahead and sign them to a long term deal?

[B]Sorry, im tripping on acid and confused...any help?[/B][/quote]

Red octopus flapjacks.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29619/redskins-top-restricted-free-agent-chris-thompson-showed-durability]Redskins top restricted free agent Chris Thompson showed durability - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Keim to the rescue..

The question will be: Which round will these players be tendered? The Redskins could do an original-round tender with Thompson, which means they’d receive a fifth-round pick if he left. They could also do a second-round tender, which would be nearly $1 million more – but they’d receive a second-round pick if he signed elsewhere and they failed to match.

With Nsekhe and Compton, both were undrafted so the Redskins can’t use an original-round tender on them. If they don’t use a second-round tender, they could lose them without compensation – but they would have the right of first refusal. Again, for approximately $1 million more, they could give them a second-round tender.

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Last year, the tender values were:

Original Tender: $1.7M
Second Round Tender: $2.6M
First Round Tender: $3.6M

So on the safe side, assume Compton Nsekhe and Chris Thompson would all be given 2nd round tenders of $2.6M apiece. Maybe slightly more since there will be a year's worth of inflation applied.

In my OP I had Thompson coming back at $3.0, Compton at $4.0, and Nsekhe walking. You can make the mental adjustment there to understand cap impact.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161629]Last year, the tender values were:

Original Tender: $1.7M
Second Round Tender: $2.6M
First Round Tender: $3.6M

So on the safe side, assume Compton Nsekhe and Chris Thompson would all be given 2nd round tenders of $2.6M apiece. Maybe slightly more since there will be a year's worth of inflation applied.

In my OP I had Thompson coming back at $3.0, Compton at $4.0, and Nsekhe walking. You can make the mental adjustment there to understand cap impact.[/quote]

Agree, second round tender makes sense for all 3. Could you imagine flipping Nsekhe for a second round pick? that would be outstanding

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[quote=Chico23231;1161633]Agree, second round tender makes sense for all 3. Could you imagine flipping Nsekhe for a second round pick? that would be outstanding[/quote]

I would rather have Nsekhe than a 2nd round pick. KC would be dead if we did not have him when Trent was out. There is no offensive line depth and it is a position prone to injuries.

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How does this tender thing work? Is it like baseball arbitration, where you can only use it up to a certain amount of years the player has been in the league? Then after that he's an unrestricted free agent?

I guess another question would be, for example why is Chris Thompson a restricted free agent instead of UFA?

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[quote=Chico23231;1161633]Agree, second round tender makes sense for all 3. Could you imagine flipping Nsekhe for a second round pick? that would be outstanding[/quote]

That's my dream scenario. Although I wouldn't fault the Redskins if they let him walk so he can start for some other team. Ideally we flip him for something though, hell even a 3rd rounder would be nice. I'd love a high pick but he's already 30 (admittedly with very little wear-and-tear compared to other 30 year olds).

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Exclusive-rights free agents
Exclusive-rights free agents (ERFAs) are players with two or fewer seasons of service time and whose contracts have expired. If their team tenders a qualifying offer (a one-year contract usually at league-minimum salary) the player has no negotiating rights with other teams, and must either sign the tender with the team or sit out the season.[5]

Restricted free agents
Restricted free agents (RFAs) are players who have three or fewer accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. RFAs have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until a deadline which occurs approximately a week prior to the NFL Draft (for 2010 the deadline was April 15), at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.[6]

Unrestricted free agents
Unrestricted free agents are players with expired contracts that have completed four or more accrued seasons of service. They are free to sign with any franchise.[6]

Undrafted free agents
Undrafted free agents are players eligible for the NFL Draft but who are not selected; they can negotiate and sign with any team.

So Chris Thompson actually has 4 seasons under his belt, but he only officially accrued three NFL seasons because he was hurt so much for one of them (you have to be on the roster or practice squad for 6+ games in a season to have an accrued season, and not on IR during that time). So Thompson only has 3 accrued seasons right now, making him an RFA instead of a UFA.

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If Thompson plays under the one year tender in 2017 as an RFA, then next year he will have 4 accrued seasons and his contract will be expired, making him a UFA in 2018.