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Gave it an A. First four picks were great. Robert Davis, and Holsey can be eventual contributors. Nicholson was a reach at #123; Would've gone Interior OL or NT.

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NOBODY KNOWS Who did good in draft and won't for a few years..all it takes is one player to really step up or your main guy to fail ..Look at Cousins draft class ..How did that go ..our main guy RGIII was bust after 2 years and Kirk in the 4th round is now a top QB ..all this grading is a joke. I will say i believe skins on paper did not reach and took some solid picks..but if you watched the draft its plain to see that the redskins get know respect from the league..little things add up and other than Mayock nobody had much to add about redskins draft. i like the fact that we drafted to bolster the D ..maybe we did ...I hope so!

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[quote=vallin21;1170243]Gave it an A. First four picks were great. Robert Davis, and Holsey can be eventual contributors. Nicholson was a reach at #123; Would've gone Interior OL or NT.[/quote]

Nicholson was a wasted pick. I agree with you...easily could have taken a better player on the Oline

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I give it a B.

- Allen was a windfall pick. Exceptional value at #17.
- Anderson was very productive. There were other Edge players I liked better.
- I loved the Samaje Perine pick in Round 4! He is very underrated IMO.
- Moreau's pec tear bothers me. He could miss a lot of time. He can play, though.
- Nicholson was a reach. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. We'll see about him.
- I don't know much about Sprinkle. We'll see.
- Anything we get out of 6th and 7th Rounders is an unexpected pleasant surprise.

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Wish we would have got caleb brantley in the 5th round

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Solid B from me.

Allen has Pro Bowl potential written all over him.

Anderson brings toughness and attitude.

Moreau was a value because of the injury, and some good insurance if Breeland doesn't earn that 2nd contract.

Perine could be a real sleeper, I won't be surprised at all if he wins the job in camp. I love guys with his running style.

Nicholson seemed like a bit of a head scratcher, but at this point I'm going to defer the guys that do this evaluation stuff for a living.

Another pick I liked that could be one to watch is Chase Roullier.

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I give it an A. They got the team substantially better where they needed to. Through round 4 it's hard to argue with any pick. After that, it's hard to know. So you can't demand much more. ANd not that I'm grading on a curve, but for a REDSKIN draft, this was an A+. We've been through some shitty ones. And this wasn't one of them!

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I gave it a B. First 4 picks are starting material. The def backs have potential, as well as our new wr. Our new center looks like he can contribute as well. I would have given the draft an A, but we drafted 3 def backs and might not get one starter from the bunch.

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A-.
Allen at 17????
Perine in the 4th

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Both Allen and SP will start day 1. I have no doubts about that

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[quote=MTK;1170248]Solid B from me.

Allen has Pro Bowl potential written all over him.

Anderson brings toughness and attitude.

Moreau was a value because of the injury, and some good insurance if Breeland doesn't earn that 2nd contract.

Perine could be a real sleeper, I won't be surprised at all if he wins the job in camp. I love guys with his running style.

Nicholson seemed like a bit of a head scratcher, but at this point I'm going to defer the guys that do this evaluation stuff for a living.

Another pick I liked that could be one to watch is Chase Roullier.[/quote]

I agree with this entirely. I think other than Allen, Perine will turn out to be the most immediate impactful player we drafted.

I also like Roullier a lot. He reminds me of when we drafted Long a few years back. Big, nasty interior guy who plays angry. If he can develop into a LG/C type of player like Long has we should be in good shape after Lauvao leaves.

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I gave it an A. Allen has the makings of being our best first round pick since Cris Samuels. If we have a perennial pro bowler then that alone makes this draft successful. I like the value of most the picks. We were able to take BPA (mostly), fill needs, find leaders, and good fits to compliment our existing talent. But what really tipped it over to an A for me is that they were patient, didn't panic, tried to trade up for good value but only for the right price, and didn't reach terribly except for maybe one pick.

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[quote=sevier2;1170265]I agree with this entirely. I think other than Allen, Perine will turn out to be the most immediate impactful player we drafted.

I also like Roullier a lot. He reminds me of when we drafted Long a few years back. Big, nasty interior guy who plays angry. If he can develop into a LG/C type of player like Long has we should be in good shape after Lauvao leaves.[/quote]

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Chase-Roullier-named-one-of-the-best-mid-round-draft-gems-52605402]Chase Roullier named one of the best mid-round draft gems[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1170270][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Chase-Roullier-named-one-of-the-best-mid-round-draft-gems-52605402]Chase Roullier named one of the best mid-round draft gems[/url][/quote]

nice article...ole profootballfocus. I remember back when folks were super-hatting on that site.

Roullier and Callahan need to bond...like to see Luavo get pushed at LG

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Gave it an A.

As rocnrik said, we won't know after a few years how good this draft was.

But when you look back at previous years ( [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=5110&type=team]National Football League: NFL Draft History - by Team[/url] ) we barely got 1 to 3 really productive players per draft (2016: Cravens, Doctson ? wait and see, Fuller ? wasn't consistant but has potentiel. 2015: Scherff, Crowder, Kouandjio, Smith?, Matt Jones?. 2014: Moses, Long, Murphy?, Breeland ? ...).

If we're lucky we could get at least 4 productive players out of this one, and, wether we drafted BPA or need, we ended up with filling up a lot of holes.

With what we know right now, I'm happy.

Offense will be at least as good as last year if we improve the run game. Defense just got a lot better (FA + draft), I don't see anything standing between us and being a playoff team.

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I give it an A. Word on the TE, Center, and Receiver we got in the lower rounds were excellent picks.

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I Been a fan forever,one of the best ever drafts in skins history ON PAPER.let,s just hope it converts to the field.

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I wasn't aware that this kid also played Guard (very well, btw) and was definitely solid at C too.

I'm liking this draft even more now!

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Chase-Roullier-named-one-of-the-best-mid-round-draft-gems-52605402]Chase Roullier named one of the best mid-round draft gems[/url]

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[quote=Bangee7;1170285]I wasn't aware that this kid also played Guard (very well, btw) and was definitely solid at C too.

I'm liking this draft even more now!

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Chase-Roullier-named-one-of-the-best-mid-round-draft-gems-52605402]Chase Roullier named one of the best mid-round draft gems[/url][/quote]

Cooley said he was Spencer Long. Not big, not fast, but quick, smart, and good technique.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1170287]Cooley said he was Spencer Long. Not big, not fast, but quick, smart, and good technique.[/quote]

Well, I hope Cooley's right on that....it would be a good thing for the 'Skins.

We have the pass pro thing figured out, just need to get some holes going for the backs and really get the running game going, especially in the red zone!

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Gallery/5-reasons-to-be-optimistic-about-the-Redskins-2017-draft-class-52637987]5 reasons to be optimistic about the Redskins' 2017 draft class[/url]

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Joshua-Holsey-Showed-When-Healthy-He-Can-Compete-With-The-Best/e7bd1129-b310-4670-bd12-8251dae2e674]Joshua Holsey Showed When Healthy He Can Compete With The Best[/url]

Here is my early pick for training camp hero. Gruden already said he is going in the slot to compete...I think he can. Writings on the wall for breeland and fuller is a boundary corner only. My feeling is fuller/Fabian competition opposite Norman on the outside. Breeland/Holsey competition for the slot.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170327][url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Joshua-Holsey-Showed-When-Healthy-He-Can-Compete-With-The-Best/e7bd1129-b310-4670-bd12-8251dae2e674]Joshua Holsey Showed When Healthy He Can Compete With The Best[/url]

Here is my early pick for training camp hero. Gruden already said he is going in the slot to compete...I think he can. Writings on the wall for breeland and fuller is a boundary corner only. My feeling is fuller/Fabian competition opposite Norman on the outside. Breeland/Holsey competition for the slot.[/quote]

I agree. Holsey looks like a nice addition. I do not know who made the picks.... whoever it is deserves a lot of credit. The strategy looks like it was the BPA [B][COLOR="Red"]at a position of need.[/COLOR][/B]. I think there will be more than 5 picks make the team and a few more on the practice squad ... if they can hide them there. or they will be on IR

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[quote=Irrefutable;1170328]I agree. Holsey looks like a nice addition. I do not know who made the picks.... whoever it is deserves a lot of credit. The strategy looks like it was the BPA [B][COLOR="Red"]at a position of need.[/COLOR][/B]. I think there will be more than 5 picks make the team and a few more on the practice squad ... if they can hide them there. or they will be on IR[/quote]

The front seven has gotten most of the attention on the defense this offseason...the secondary has been totally revamped. The battles in camp will be most entertaining in this space more than any other spot on the team. Sans the rob Kelly vs the bowling ball from Oklahoma...that's gonna be awesome.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170329]The front seven has gotten most of the attention on the defense this offseason...the secondary has been totally revamped. The battles in camp will be most entertaining in this space more than any other spot on the team. Sans the rob Kelly vs the bowling ball from Oklahoma...that's gonna be awesome.[/quote]

I do not see a Kelly vs Perine battle. I think both will play.

The battle will be in the secondary, just to make the team. Then they will fight for the #2 CB and both safety spots. I think Norman is the only lock to start. Swearinger probably starts.... not sure which S spot though. Then plenty of competition for the nickel and dime spots as well.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1170266]I gave it an A. Allen has the makings of being our best first round pick since Cris Samuels. If we have a perennial pro bowler then that alone makes this draft successful. I like the value of most the picks. We were able to take BPA (mostly), fill needs, find leaders, and good fits to compliment our existing talent. But what really tipped it over to an A for me is that they were patient, didn't panic, tried to trade up for good value but only for the right price, and didn't reach terribly except for maybe one pick.[/QUOTE]



Trent Williams gets no love?


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[quote=Chico23231;1170271]nice article...ole profootballfocus. I remember back when folks were super-hatting on that site.

Roullier and Callahan need to bond...like to see Luavo get pushed at LG[/quote]

Site is shit.

Nicholson played on a bad shoulder all year at Safey. Guy is an athletic phenom. He should of stayed another year but will be a good player for us and possible starter by year 3.

Little tidbit of info. Nicholson was recruited by our DB coach Gray when he coached at VT. Thinks highly of him. Can probably coach him up quick.

Give the draft a B+. Would of liked Williams over Anderson but both are great football players.

Nice theme is we are starting to get guys who will punch you in the mouth on defense.

Anderson
Norman
Moreau
Allen
Brown

Something we have lacked forever.

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[quote=Bucket;1170452]Site is shit.

Nicholson played on a bad shoulder all year at Safey. Guy is an athletic phenom. He should of stayed another year but will be a good player for us and possible starter by year 3.

Little tidbit of info. Nicholson was recruited by our DB coach Gray when he coached at VT. Thinks highly of him. Can probably coach him up quick.

Give the draft a B+. Would of liked Williams over Anderson but both are great football players.

Nice theme is we are starting to get guys who will punch you in the mouth on defense.

Anderson
Norman
Moreau
Allen
Brown

Something we have lacked forever.[/quote]

I've come to appreciate PFF's work more than I once did. Although I agree with you that the short-term grades they do are shit, I think they are able to uncover much of the truth in their long-term grades.

The short-term stuff they do is just to keep up people's interest by having a product to sell during the season. An analysis that is quickly and sloppily thrown together to rank players on a game-by-game basis doesn't work.

I like the fact that, in their grading, reputation and measurements don't taint he process. It's all about how a player actually performs on the field. Yet, PFF is just one tool to use in evaluating a player. I think it's useful, at least as a cross-check.

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[quote=Bucket;1170452]Site is shit.

Nicholson played on a bad shoulder all year at Safey. Guy is an athletic phenom. He should of stayed another year but will be a good player for us and possible starter by year 3.

Little tidbit of info. Nicholson was recruited by our DB coach Gray when he coached at VT. Thinks highly of him. Can probably coach him up quick.

Give the draft a B+. Would of liked Williams over Anderson but both are great football players.

Nice theme is we are starting to get guys who will punch you in the mouth on defense.

Anderson
Norman
Moreau
Allen
Brown

Something we have lacked forever.[/quote]

I am certainly no expert but I don't think Moreau falls into that category from what I have seen and read. He is great talent but not hard by any measure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170329]The front seven has gotten most of the attention on the defense this offseason...the secondary has been totally revamped. The battles in camp will be most entertaining in this space more than any other spot on the team. Sans the rob Kelly vs the bowling ball from Oklahoma...that's gonna be awesome.[/quote]

I agree totally. The camp battles and who makes the roster will tell the tale.

We will get a measure of how deep the team was last year, especially on defense.

If the 2017 picks and FA signings shoot the depth guys from last year out of the saddle, it will say a lot.

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[quote=Bucket;1170452]Site is shit.

Nicholson played on a bad shoulder all year at Safey. Guy is an athletic phenom. He should of stayed another year but will be a good player for us and possible starter by year 3.

[B]Little tidbit of info. Nicholson was recruited by our DB coach Gray when he coached at VT. Thinks highly of him. Can probably coach him up quick.[/B]

Give the draft a B+. Would of liked Williams over Anderson but both are great football players.

Nice theme is we are starting to get guys who will punch you in the mouth on defense.

Anderson
Norman
Moreau
Allen
Brown

Something we have lacked forever.[/quote]


I figured it had to be something along these lines. Good to know t gray is getting an active say in his guys. Thanks for the info

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I love this guy already: [url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Samaje_Perine_Bringing_SmashMouth_Football_/2bffd7ba-8dee-4111-ab46-4b5387f69ae0]Samaje Perine Bringing 'Smash-Mouth Football'[/url]