Jamison Crowder our #1 target?
 

Apparently, [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comments/6harwn/jamison_crowder_has_been_the_preferred_target_at/"]Jamison Crowder has been the preferred target for Kirk Cousins in OTAs[/URL].

I was anticipating he would be the 3rd target after Reed and Pryor, but how will the targets end up being split? And where does Josh Doctson fit into that?

I see it being something like:

Jordan Reed ~100 targets
Jamison Crowder ~90 targets
Terrelle Pryor ~70 targets
Josh Doctson ~60 targets
Chris Thompson ~40 targets

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I think you're being easy on the targets there. Jordan Reed (in the right offense) might catch 100 balls, let's say on 125-150 targets. Crowder/Pryor will most likely be evenly matched on targets, or in the vicinity of the other, and Doctson will either end up as the 3rd receiver. I like Crowder in the slot but he's earned the opportunity to become a starter. Should be a good battle though.

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[quote=Orakpwned;1170940]Apparently, [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comments/6harwn/jamison_crowder_has_been_the_preferred_target_at/"]Jamison Crowder has been the preferred target for Kirk Cousins in OTAs[/URL].

I was anticipating he would be the 3rd target after Reed and Pryor, but how will the targets end up being split? And where does Josh Doctson fit into that?

I see it being something like:

Jordan Reed ~100 targets
Jamison Crowder ~90 targets
Terrelle Pryor ~70 targets
Josh Doctson ~60 targets
Chris Thompson ~40 targets[/quote]

kc attempted 606 passes in 16 games last season, about 38 per game. vernon davis was 6th in targets at 59.

i think you can ramp up your projections.

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I'd say he could be, 80 catches is a strong possibility

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I love Crowder but if he's going to draw coverage from the top corner then I don't think he'll perform as well.

Ideally Prior and Doctson show enough to be our outside guys and Crowder can stay in the slot where he's a matchup nightmare.

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I dont see how Pryor wont be our #1 target.
And as pointed out above, the number one corner will be on Pryor allowing Crowder more wiggle room.

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I think Terrell Pryor will be a better deep option than DJax


And Jordan Reed will be top in Targets this year.


But Crowder will lead WR in catches.

Your welcome

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[quote=Schneed10;1170947]I love Crowder but if he's going to draw coverage from the top corner then I don't think he'll perform as well.

Ideally Prior and Doctson show enough to be our outside guys and Crowder can stay in the slot where he's a matchup nightmare.[/quote]

I agree with this.

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From Mike Clay:

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As long as Big Cuz gets the ball to someone then it doesn't matter to me who it is. I just want the passing game to remain on point.

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I think Jay Gruden becomes infatuated by certain players and starts to overrate them. The best example of this is Ryan Grant. Gruden loves Grant because he runs good routes and knows the entire playbook for all the WR positions. This has caused Gruden to overlook the facts that Grant is too slow, can't get separation, drops the ball too often, and has not become a factor in the offense although he's in his fourth year with the team. Gruden definitely has a case of football geek/coach love for Grant.

Now, we come to the case of Jamison Crowder. Crowder is an outstanding slot receiver; however, he is also 5-8 and 180 lbs. Any use of him as a wideout or a RB must be limited and situational if Gruden hopes to keep him on the field. Top corners will smother him and beat the crap out of him if he plays wide regularly. What happens to him if he has to pass protect as a RB? He'll be run over by DL's and LB's. Gruden needs to let Crowder do his thing as a premier slot receiver and keep him healthy for the good of the team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1171116]I think Jay Gruden becomes infatuated by certain players and starts to overrate them. The best example of this is Ryan Grant. Gruden loves Grant because he runs good routes and knows the entire playbook for all the WR positions. This has caused Gruden to overlook the facts that Grant is too slow, can't get separation, drops the ball too often, and has not become a factor in the offense although he's in his fourth year with the team. Gruden definitely has a case of football geek/coach love for Grant.

Now, we come to the case of Jamison Crowder. Crowder is an outstanding slot receiver; however, he is also 5-8 and 180 lbs. Any use of him as a wideout or a RB must be limited and situational if Gruden hopes to keep him on the field. Top corners will smother him and beat the crap out of him if he plays wide regularly. What happens to him if he has to pass protect as a RB? He'll be run over by DL's and LB's. Gruden needs to let Crowder do his thing as a premier slot receiver and keep him healthy for the good of the team.[/quote]

Your discounting Crowder because of his size? He's a receiver whose a willing blocker and ex basketball player with a quick first step, quick twitch and rarely drops the ball. He also is brilliant after the catch and a willing blocker.

He's replacing a guy who wouldn't block and was good for 2-3 plays a game. Plus we have doctson who will move JC back to the slot.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1171118]Your discounting Crowder because of his size? He's a receiver whose a willing blocker and ex basketball player with a quick first step, quick twitch and rarely drops the ball. He also is brilliant after the catch and a willing blocker.

He's replacing a guy who wouldn't block and was good for 2-3 plays a game. Plus we have doctson who will move JC back to the slot.[/quote]

He is discounting his size in the context of anything but a slot receiver. I think his point (and others on this thread) that his value drops exponentially in a different role are correct.

Moving him to an X or a Z would be akin to forcing Andre Carter to play out of position. Does it mean Andre Carter sucks? No. But he was night and day when used correctly. There are countless examples in Redskins history of us plugging in people in the incorrect spots, so lets not do that.

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Plenty of smaller guys have had big time careers.

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Jamison Crowder can dance the Minute Waltz in 58 seconds.

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Crowder deserves a chance on the outside.

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[quote=RobH4413;1171119]He is discounting his size in the context of anything but a slot receiver. I think his point (and others on this thread) that his value drops exponentially in a different role are correct.

Moving him to an X or a Z would be akin to forcing Andre Carter to play out of position. Does it mean Andre Carter sucks? No. But he was night and day when used correctly. There are countless examples in Redskins history of us plugging in people in the incorrect spots, so lets not do that.[/quote]

See what your not really getting is this... they aren't changing his role completely. Doctson is to play outside when we shift to a three wide receiver set. Putting JC back to his usual role last year (slot) just when they are in two wide receiver sets, he will play outside rather than sitting on the bench. They are developing Doctson on the outside, but the team realizes that JC can play Deseans role last year just as well if not better than DJax. On the other side in two receiver sets and one receiver sets the role that used to be Pierres is Pryor.

So Jamison will continue his role when we go to three wr sets and increase his role when we go to two Reciever sets. He isn't undersized when you compare him to Desean. Crowded has some beef to him

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1171124]See what your not really getting is this... they aren't changing his role completely. Doctson is to play outside when we shift to a three wide receiver set. Putting JC back to his usual role last year (slot) just when they are in two wide receiver sets, he will play outside rather than sitting on the bench. They are developing Doctson on the outside, but [B]the team realizes that JC can play Deseans role last year just as well if not better than DJax.[/B] On the other side in two receiver sets and one receiver sets the role that used to be Pierres is Pryor.

So Jamison will continue his role when we go to three wr sets and increase his role when we go to two Reciever sets. He isn't undersized when you compare him to Desean. Crowded has some beef to him[/quote]

Now you're just getting carried away. Crowder absolutely cannot play Jackson's role as well or better than DeSean did. Jackson is an elite deep threat with exceptional speed, ability to adjust to deep throws, etc. Crowder is very quick and he is an excellent receiver but he does not have the exceptional speed that DeSean has and because of that he will not be feared on the outside the way DeSean is feared.

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You are right that Desean did offer elite speed. We all know that, but What I meant by my comment was that JC will give us a more rounded football player on the outside that does the little things that DJ did not. Between Doctson, Pryor and JC I believe we will be just fine at WR and given eachs skill set we shouldn't DJs speed and ability to catch.

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Pryor is playing DJax old position WR, so that will be who is replacing the deep threat.

People really need to remember this is Doctson rookie year and with the injury uncertainty, he needs to earn that outside starting spot.

Crowder in OTA was the best player on the field apparently. Him and Reed. So why not give him a shot on the outside? Crowder and Reed have the strong bond with Cousins as pass catchers with give them a significant advantage to be more productive than Pryor and Doctson.

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[quote=MTK;1171121]Plenty of smaller guys have had big time careers.[/quote]

Steve Smith jr for instance.

Re: Jamison Crowder our #1 target?
 

[quote=Orakpwned;1170940]Apparently, [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comments/6harwn/jamison_crowder_has_been_the_preferred_target_at/"]Jamison Crowder has been the preferred target for Kirk Cousins in OTAs[/URL].

I was anticipating he would be the 3rd target after Reed and Pryor, but how will the targets end up being split? And where does Josh Doctson fit into that?

I see it being something like:

Jordan Reed ~100 targets
Jamison Crowder ~90 targets
Terrelle Pryor ~70 targets
Josh Doctson ~60 targets
Chris Thompson ~40 targets[/quote]

Terrelle Pryor-100 targets
Brian Quick-80 targets
Jamison Crowder-80
Josh Doctsun-50
Jordan Reed-60 targets
Vernon Davis-20 targets
Chris Thompson-60 targets

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[quote=30gut;1171132]Terrelle Pryor-100 targets
Brian Quick-80 targets
Jamison Crowder-80
Josh Doctsun-50
Jordan Reed-60 targets
Vernon Davis-20 targets
Chris Thompson-60 targets[/quote]

If Reed is getting 60 then you must expect him to play 8 games.

GTFOH

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[quote=Schneed10;1171138]If Reed is getting 60 then you must expect him to play 8 games.

GTFOH[/quote]

Yeah and why in the name of sanity is Brian Quick getting 80 targets??

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[quote=metalskins;1171131]Steve Smith jr for instance.[/quote]

Santana Moss and Antonio Brown to name a couple more. Crowder is more than just a slot WR to me, he could play on the outside if needed.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1171141]Santana Moss and Antonio Brown to name a couple more. Crowder is more than just a slot WR to me, he could play on the outside if needed.[/quote]

He is, but he is best utilized as a slot given our personnel. I'm making the (MAJOR) assumption that Doctson is ready this year... and that Pryor is the de facto outside threat.

I guess my opinion here is that if we were doing a madden rating by position, JC would be a 95 at slot receiver, but a 82 at outside. Sure, line him up in some of the two receiver sets or at running back in your offense, but in the vast majority of plays he should stay put.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1171141]Santana Moss and Antonio Brown to name a couple more. Crowder is more than just a slot WR to me, he could play on the outside if needed.[/quote]

Just looked up your Antonio Brown comp, and they have strikingly similar dimensions, college careers, early stats etc. I hope you are on to something there. Would be nice.

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wonder if crowder is gonna return punts too still?