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With [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/fbi-agent-peter-strzok/index.html"]Peter Strzok being escorted out of the FBI[/URL] building last Friday, I figured it was only fare to contrast the thread of the Trump officials who have left with the FBI officials who are no longer in their jobs. [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/fbi-texts-officials-resign-400533[/url]

[QUOTE]The list of officials frequently discussed in the texts who are no longer in their jobs seems to grow by the day. It includes former FBI Director James Comey, who was fired by Trump; former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe; Comey’s chief of staff, James Rybicki; FBI General Counsel James Baker; as well as Strzok, who was booted off the special counsel investigation and sent to a job in the FBI’s personnel division.[/QUOTE]

It's really clear that there was a biased hack job against Trump in the FBI at least, and likely other agencies as well. Then when you consider the incessant wail of the CNN's/MSNBCs of our country, it's a bit amazing that this president has actually moved his agenda forward, even as the "resistance" pushed against him and his team at every turn.

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How many on your list were fired by Trump or one of his subordinates? Given the heavy turnover in the Trump administration, we can easily figure out he fires those that don't give him total loyalty.

You'll get no argument from me on Strzok, but if you're going to suggest men's political bias overrode their professional obligations and impeded their ability to do their job effectively we're going to need more than just Strzok/Page.

Also I'm a little surprised CNN/MSNBC is in your head with their "incessant wailing." Fox News/Breitbart to an extent are basically the right wing equivalent. They cancel each other out in my book.

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FBI has had a terrible last couple years...it’s become an embarrassment on many levels

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195847]With [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/fbi-agent-peter-strzok/index.html"]Peter Strzok being escorted out of the FBI[/URL] building last Friday, I figured it was only fare to contrast the thread of the Trump officials who have left with the FBI officials who are no longer in their jobs. [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/fbi-texts-officials-resign-400533[/url]



It's really clear that there was a biased hack job against Trump in the FBI at least, and likely other agencies as well. Then when you consider the incessant wail of the CNN's/MSNBCs of our country, [B]it's a bit amazing that this president has actually moved his agenda forward, even as the "resistance" pushed against him and his team at every turn.[/quote][/B]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195847]With [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/fbi-agent-peter-strzok/index.html"]Peter Strzok being escorted out of the FBI[/URL] building last Friday, I figured it was only fare to contrast the thread of the Trump officials who have left with the FBI officials who are no longer in their jobs. [url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/fbi-texts-officials-resign-400533[/url]







It's really clear that there was a biased hack job against Trump in the FBI at least, and likely other agencies as well. Then when you consider the incessant wail of the CNN's/MSNBCs of our country, it's a bit amazing that this president has actually moved his agenda forward, even as the "resistance" pushed against him and his team at every turn.[/QUOTE]



They thought the guy was a moron. He is. Last time I checked Comey decided to open and close the ludicrous Hillary Clinton email scandal a few days before the election while remaining silent about the Russia investigation involving low ranking coffee boys/campaign managers at the same point in time. That is the last thing I will say about this nonsense.

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[quote=punch it in;1195856]They thought the guy was a moron. He is. Last time I checked Comey decided to open and close the ludicrous Hillary Clinton email scandal a few days before the election while remaining silent about the Russia investigation involving low ranking coffee boys/campaign managers at the same point in time. That is the last thing I will say about this nonsense.[/quote]

So a FBI lead investigator saying "We will stop him" about a major party's nominee is ok with you. Got it.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195859]So a FBI lead investigator saying "We will stop him" about a major party's nominee is ok with you. Got it.[/QUOTE]



Oh man. Here we go. I tried to stand hard with my “this is the last thing ill say about this nonsense “ but that didn’t work. Lol.
Do not confuse his text with the Russia investigation which is exactly what Trump is trying to have his base believe.
Do you have a problem with the actual head of the FBI actually stopping HRC? Because that is exactly what happened when he reopened that investigation into nothing. The polls were accurate CRed. Until that bombshell. The one that Guliani somehow knew about. If heads of intelligence knew that Trump was compromised by the Russians or the mob than yes I have absolutely no problem with them wanting to stop him. I do have a problem with the idiot sending a casual text message knowing that he and his base would spin it into something it is not. Which is the “they just dont like me because they are part of the deep state and so everything you hear about me and my ties to the mob and russia is false!” narrative.
So you want to call him careless and naive? Go ahead. You want to act like it is a defense for everything we know about Trump and his cabinet /family/ low level coffee boy campaign staff did? Please do not.

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[quote=punch it in;1195860]Oh man. Here we go. I tried to stand hard with my “this is the last thing ill say about this nonsense “ but that didn’t work. Lol.
Do not confuse his text with the Russia investigation which is exactly what Trump is trying to have his base believe.
Do you have a problem with the actual head of the FBI actually stopping HRC? Because that is exactly what happened when he reopened that investigation into nothing. The polls were accurate CRed. Until that bombshell. The one that Guliani somehow knew about. If heads of intelligence knew that Trump was compromised by the Russians or the mob than yes I have absolutely no problem with them wanting to stop him. I do have a problem with the idiot sending a casual text message knowing that he and his base would spin it into something it is not. Which is the “they just dont like me because they are part of the deep state and so everything you hear about me and my ties to the mob and russia is false!” narrative.
So you want to call him careless and naive? Go ahead. You want to act like it is a defense for everything we know about Trump and his cabinet /family/ low level coffee boy campaign staff did? Please do not.[/quote]
First,

He held onto that bombshell as long as he could. Comey was an ignoramus and a want to be king maker. That's completely different than the group of at least 5 top level FBI agents/attorneys that literally texted and tried to stop a nominee of a major party from becoming president.

It's not a single casual text. There is a timeline of texts that are clearly laid out. It's why he was escorted from the FBI building, why McCabe lost his job without pension, and so on.

Regardless of Mueller's investigation the IG report (see quotes in other thread) and the FBI turnover listed here is clear evidence that the country should be concerned about top level FBI agents and attorneys that misuse their office as the IG himself said in this quote -
[quote]I can’t imagine FBI agents even suggesting that they would use their powers to investigate any candidate for office,” Horowitz said. “I thought this was completely antithetical to the core values of the department and extremely serious.”[/quote]

Just because MSM buries these truths and Fox highlights them shouldn't make them less disconcerting IF you understand the biases of both.

FBI agents/attorneys SHOULD NOT be playing king/queen maker roles - be it Comey, Strzok, McCabe or any of the laundry list of names.

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I can't wait until the next Dem president issues out like 2000 executive orders cancelling everything Trump did, and completely nullifying the whole "checks and balances" thing. Trump might be changing the course of history, but he's also writing the playbook for future presidents to get shit done without Congress.

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[quote=mooby;1195866]I can't wait until the next Dem president issues out like 2000 executive orders cancelling everything Trump did, and completely nullifying the whole "checks and balances" thing. Trump might be changing the course of history, but he's also writing the playbook for future presidents to get shit done without Congress.[/quote]

LOL you really overlooked the Obama Presidency and how he used the executive powers.

Sir, [B]this playbook [/B][B]was written by Obama[/B]...hence the ease in simply ordering or revoking Trump has done. If Obama couldn't implement legislation, he by passed congress....NOT as a short term strategy BUT a long term one with executive powers. His strategy became "WE Cant Wait" and would by pass congress again and again.

I suggest you read this article from the NYT:

Shift on Executive Power Lets Obama Bypass Rivals

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/us/politics/shift-on-executive-powers-let-obama-bypass-congress.html[/url]


Stop trying to re-write history, Ive noticed this a lot lately...everything from somehow Trump was responsible for the Russia hacking during his own Election to comments like these.

Did people just blindly follow Obama without knowing what he was doing?

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I think they forgot the I have a phone and a pen statement of Pres. Obama. President Obama used executive orders to bypass Congress.

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[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-executive-orders-trump-signed-obama-clinton-bush-2017-8[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1195869][url=http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-executive-orders-trump-signed-obama-clinton-bush-2017-8]How many executive orders has Trump signed? - Business Insider[/url][/quote]

How many (it doesn't quantify) were used to specifically reverse Orders by Pres. Obama. I also wonder how many Pres Obama signed in his LAST 200 days vs his predecessors. Obama made a point of trying to bypass Congress instead of working with them (the Republicans were the obstructionists though, there is no doubt on that). Trump has repeatedly put forward the notion that Congress should pass good laws, but the Dems AND Reps are so busy playing political games that is really pathetic.

One other note, maybe Trump saw FDR signed over 3700, and he is trying to lay claim to the most EO's ever!

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Because President Obama used executive memorandums which are essential Executive orders....but are harder to track.

What about memorandums and proclamations?

An executive memorandum is essentially an executive order. The difference: An executive memorandum does not have an established process for how the president issues it. Memoranda do not have to be submitted to the Federal Register and are therefore harder to track. President Obama utilized executive memorandum at least 407 times, including on DACA (the immigration policy), gun control and the overtime rule.

Obama isn't an idiot...if he gonna skirt...he will skirt and call it something else. These werent track above.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195867]LOL you really overlooked the Obama Presidency and how he used the executive powers.

Sir, [B]this playbook [/B][B]was written by Obama[/B]...hence the ease in simply ordering or revoking Trump has done. If Obama couldn't implement legislation, he by passed congress....NOT as a short term strategy BUT a long term one with executive powers. His strategy became "WE Cant Wait" and would by pass congress again and again.

I suggest you read this article from the NYT:

Shift on Executive Power Lets Obama Bypass Rivals

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/us/politics/shift-on-executive-powers-let-obama-bypass-congress.html[/url]


Stop trying to re-write history, Ive noticed this a lot lately...everything from somehow Trump was responsible for the Russia hacking during his own Election to comments like these.

Did people just blindly follow Obama without knowing what he was doing?[/quote]

I'm referring to the volume sir. Obama might have started it as a response to Congress' unwillingness to do anything, but Trump doesn't have that excuse. He's treating the Presidency much like he did his business, where he's at the center of power and everything goes through him. He expects undying loyalty from everyone who works for the gov't, and rewards those that give itto him while blaming everything on those that don't.

If he loses next election and a Dem takes the seat again with a Republican majority in Congress, I expect the trend to continue.

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[quote=mooby;1195873]I'm referring to the volume sir. Obama might have started it as a response to Congress' unwillingness to do anything, but Trump doesn't have that excuse. He's treating the Presidency much like he did his business, where he's at the center of power and everything goes through him. He expects undying loyalty from everyone who works for the gov't, and rewards those that give itto him while blaming everything on those that don't.

If he loses next election and a Dem takes the seat again with a Republican majority in Congress, I expect the trend to continue.[/quote]

Sir...I do believe some of these executive orders should be brought to a vote and some sort of limits placed. That goes for Obamas and trumps of the world.

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The abuse of executive power has been a constant stress on our republican govt. (small r) since its inception. However, Obama simply took it to another level saying: "Okay, if Congress won't pass laws I like, I will bypass the Constitutional process and implement the policies I like by fiat." Anyone who had to deal with the EEOC or other federal watchdogs knows [I]exactly[/I] how abusive this process was.

In higher education based on "Dear Colleague Letters" from the Education Department, entire codes of conduct were rewritten, burdens of prove lightened, etc. The result was that many institutions had to go to huge expense by the Executive branch saying "Do it our way or we cut off your funding, investigate your every action in the subject area regardless of whether it is related to specific complaint brought to us, and blacklist you so that your enrollment drops." All without [I]any[/I] legislative oversight. It was a ridiculous abuse of the executive power and resulted in many, many terrible consequences for individuals and institutions.

I said then and I say now, Obama and the left paved the way for Trump's abuses. By saying, "We don't need no stinking Congress," they steamrolled through the very procedures that they now seek to invoke.

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its humorous that the left will do anything to protect/rewrite the Obama legacy...they fail to acknowledge any of the many failures.

Clearly Obama paved the way with the abusive executive powers...

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Hey man your guy did it first, so technically your guy is to blame for my guy

That’s what we’re down to basically

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[QUOTE=MTK;1195882]Hey man your guy did it first, so technically your guy is to blame for my guy

That’s what we’re down to basically[/QUOTE]Remember that when Obama was doing this there were a lot of people saying you shouldn't create this precedent. Now we're saying you created this precedent. All of us would rather the Congress, and I include Republicans and Democrats, would come to these legislative Solutions properly and through the proper form but neither side wants to work with the other. That's what's most frustrating about this at least to me. There are clearly solutions that most Americans could agree on I believe even if it means compromising on some things but the Congressional leadership is stuck pandering to the F* Trump or anti Obama groupings.

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Yes. No. Sorta. I mean - it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Both Trump and Obama bear the blame individually for their own actions. At the same time, if you are the guy who opened the door, you have to own that. If you supported that guy, then you have to own that.

Obama opened the door - Democrats need to own that. Trump is charging through it - Republicans need to own that.

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Let’s not pretend executive orders started with Obama, or that he should be crowned King of them. Plenty of other Presidents utilized a lot more than he did.

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Sure, other Presidents used and misused the executive order process. However, prior to Obama, even the misuses were characterized as an appropriate use of executive power (explaining how existing laws would be enforced, invoking the Constitutional authority of Commander-in-Chief, etc.).

Under the Obama administration, and for the first time that I am aware, the President used executive orders [I]with the express intent[/I] of bypassing the Constitutional process and to use the executive power to take legislative actions on a broader scale then ever before. Very simply, even though he issued fewer than most presidents before him, the breadth and scope of the orders he issued, particularly after 2016, were simply unprecedented.

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[url]http://theconversation.com/how-does-obamas-use-of-unilateral-powers-compare-to-other-presidents-65773[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1195885]Let’s not pretend executive orders started with Obama, or that he should be crowned King of them. Plenty of other Presidents utilized a lot more than he did.[/quote]

A pen and a phone.

Let's not pretend that Pres Obama didn't specifically call out the use of them, as a specific way of not working with the [U][B]majority[/B][/U] in congress:

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[quote=MTK;1195888][url=http://theconversation.com/how-does-obamas-use-of-unilateral-powers-compare-to-other-presidents-65773]How does Obama's use of unilateral powers compare to other presidents?[/url][/quote]

these are being counted from whomever this dude is...

An executive memorandum is essentially an executive order. The difference: An executive memorandum does not have an established process for how the president issues it. Memoranda do not have to be submitted to the Federal Register and are therefore harder to track. President Obama utilized executive memorandum at least 407 times, including on DACA (the immigration policy), gun control and the overtime rule.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195889]A pen and a phone.



Let's not pretend that Pres Obama didn't specifically call out the use of them, as a specific way of not working with the [U][B]majority[/B][/U] in congress:[/QUOTE]


I forgot about how willing Congress was to even work with him in the first place.

Trump is dealing with same thing now, except he can’t even work with a GOP controlled Congress.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195890]An executive memorandum is essentially an executive order. The difference: An executive memorandum does not have an established process for how the president issues it. Memoranda do not have to be submitted to the Federal Register and are therefore harder to track. President Obama utilized executive memorandum at least 407 times, including on DACA (the immigration policy), gun control and the overtime rule.[/QUOTE]


^^ This +100. Executive Memos like the Dept. of Ed's "Dear Colleague Letters" fundamentally changed the how institutions of higher education had to apply their student conduct codes in ways that were, according to the courts, in direct violation of due process. It took this regulatory action with no legislative oversight and without any pre-implementation comment period.

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[quote=MTK;1195892]I forgot about how willing Congress was to even work with him in the first place.

Trump is dealing with same thing now, except he can’t even work with a GOP controlled Congress.[/quote]

It takes 2, I disagreed with the Republican congress then and now. It's like they simply want to cause discord.

With all that said, Pres Obama wasn't ever moving from a progressive liberal agenda - that I remember.



There is a middle ground, but the F Trumpers and the anti-Obamites blame Obama/Trump for everything and refuse to find what most citizens want.