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What is the biggest surprise and disappointment of this team so far?

Surprise for me and I'm sure most is Adrian Peterson, the guy came into this season as a "has been" "too old" and he is killing it, he's on pace for well over 1000 yards rushing and 10 td's. Will he keep that pace up? Maybe not but its been awesome so far.

Disappointment? The loss to indy week 2, overall I don't have much to bitch about but man we could and should be sitting at 3-0 right now.

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Biggest disappointment is the fact that it's the bye week already. I want more Redskins football!

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Biggest surprise: AP ability to play at a high level with a decent workload

Biggest disappointment: Doctson continues to take up space

Biggest I Told You So: Luavoa injuried early, left guard still an issue

Biggest I was wrong/dumb shit: Greg Manusky has gotten the defense to play well

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[quote=Schneed10;1201482]Biggest disappointment is the fact that it's the bye week already. I want more Redskins football![/quote]

literally what i was just gonna write lmao - that and the rest of the way is brutal.

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Redskins - 34
Bye Week - 17

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One of the biggest pleasant surprises, the improvement of the run blocking from the TE position. All three of them. And I'll lump the Ryan Anderson goalline fullback thing in with that. Just close your eyes and hit somebody, big fella.

Disappointments, Doctson has to lead the list. We keep hearing how the guy has looked good in camp. It continues to fail to translate to games.

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Most pleasant surprises: Dunbar, Moreau

Disappointments (feels dumb saying this 3 games in) : Doctson, Nicholson

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Good surprises: run blocking by our TE (and receivers), coverage by our ILBs, Tony Bergstrom playing well

Disappointments: Doctson still not delivering but I wasn't expecting much from him. Week 2 flatness.
Plus we're still running plays where Preston Smith and Kerrigan are dropping into coverage... serious question: what is the upside of it? I guess the opponent's OL can be deceived if they expect someone to come and he doesn't, but sometimes they drop in coverage and we're not blitzing so I don't see the point... if they're trying to deceive the QB I'd say it's not working... "oh the OLB is dropping into zone coverage... what shall I do? ... dump one to the wide open receiver in his zone? Seems smart... but maybe it's a trap?!"...

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Surprise: We lose Guice and then AP drops out of the sky to rescue our running game.

Disappointment: I was in shock and disbelief that we could play so poorly in our home opener against the Colts.

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No surprises here, I expected this team to go 11-5 and still do.

Disappointments: losing Sims and Quinn. I'm still waiting for Alex Smith to have a better than average game.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1201493]Good surprises: run blocking by our TE (and receivers), coverage by our ILBs, Tony Bergstrom playing well

Disappointments: Doctson still not delivering but I wasn't expecting much from him. Week 2 flatness.
Plus we're still running plays where Preston Smith and Kerrigan are dropping into coverage... serious question: what is the upside of it? I guess the opponent's OL can be deceived if they expect someone to come and he doesn't, but sometimes they drop in coverage and we're not blitzing so I don't see the point... if they're trying to deceive the QB I'd say it's not working... "oh the OLB is dropping into zone coverage... what shall I do? ... dump one to the wide open receiver in his zone? Seems smart... but maybe it's a trap?!"...

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Harvey Clemmons came in for coverage on a number of clear passing situations for Zach Brown. Might be that they had them in coverage when Zach couldn't get off. May be a product of them trying to avoid 12 men on the field penalties. Which was part of the reason Payne and Allen played so much. Didn't see this, just a tought.

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Which pair of college teammate will have accomplished more by the time their careers are finished?

Trent Williams and Adrian Peterson

or

Daron Payne and Jonathan Allen

I know this is a little ridiculous given all Peterson has accomplished but this is more just something fun to think about during the bye week.

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Could Payne and Allen actually get into that conversation?

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[quote=Schneed10;1201511]Could Payne and Allen actually get into that conversation?[/quote]

Maybe if you ask which pair will have more of an impact this season between the pair

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[quote=WillH;1201509]Harvey Clemmons came in for coverage on a number of clear passing situations for Zach Brown.[B] Might be that they had them in coverage when Zach couldn't get off[/B]. May be a product of them trying to avoid 12 men on the field penalties. Which was part of the reason Payne and Allen played so much. Didn't see this, just a tought.

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I see what you mean, but given that Zach has improved his coverage tremendously, I'd say he's a way better covering LB than Smith and Kerrigan now.
Plus sometimes Smith was dropping into the flat and Zach was covering too, so I guess there's a reason for it, but I'm still not seeing it...

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[quote=Schneed10;1201488]One of the biggest pleasant surprises, the improvement of the run blocking from the TE position. All three of them. And I'll lump the Ryan Anderson goalline fullback thing in with that. Just close your eyes and hit somebody, big fella.

Disappointments, Doctson has to lead the list. We keep hearing how the guy has looked good in camp. It continues to fail to translate to games.[/quote]

I agree about Doctson but is he being targeted enough? I remember Kirk getting criticized for not trusting to throw to him because of lack of separation. We knew Doctson wasn't a speedy wr and most of his college highlights show him making amazing plays with corners hanging off of him.

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JD needs more looks, but at the same time you earn more looks by making plays when you do get the looks which he hasn't done yet. It's a catch 22.

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[quote=MTK;1201630]JD needs more looks, but at the same time you earn more looks by making plays when you do get the looks which he hasn't done yet. It's a catch 22.[/quote]

Yeah really the most important thing is for him to make Alex Smith feel confident in throwing to him. That needs to be established in practice or Alex will progress right past him in games.

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At this point Doc is basically Taylor Jacobs. All we hear about is how great he is in practice. But when the lights come on he is nowhere to be found. Some no name on the Texans came in off the bench and caught 11 balls. When is Doc going to have a game like that? At some point it has to happen or it doesn't and you move on. I'm ready to move on from him after this season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1201639]At this point Doc is basically Taylor Jacobs. All we hear about is how great he is in practice. But when the lights come on he is nowhere to be found. Some no name on the Texans came in off the bench and caught 11 balls. When is Doc going to have a game like that? At some point it has to happen or it doesn't and you move on. I'm ready to move on from him after this season.[/quote]

Ryan Grant is having a better season than Doc. Think about that.

Im still hoping Doc can develop...but god damn...In order for the offense to take it up a notch we need a contributor on the outside. Next year we shouldnt do this exercise again.

I see a lot of under-appreciated WRs across the league making impacts...Jon Brown (coulda signed him fo cheap), Kenny Stills, Robert Woods, Randall Cobb, Sanu, etc....

We need to bring in competition for Doc position if he continues to disappoint.

We don't have to spend big money to get a contributor...this offseason we should invest in guy who can play...and it doesn't have to be a Paul Richardson size deal.

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I think we can all agree we'd like to see Doc more involved. He's definitely shown flashes. But is that going to be a consistent thing or just an every ~4 games thing?

Although, I think some big factors have been slowing his involvement; A new QB who isn't known as a risky thrower and a Run-game that has been efficient.

A. Smith isn't going to throw those risky balls that Doctson is known to bring down unless he actually [I]has[/I] to, as in, we're down 17 points and need some quick scores so we start airing it out.

When you play with the lead and the run game can grind away the clock why [I]would[/I] you throw risky, jump balls that can stop the clock?


I believe this week against the Saints will be different. Brees will definitely get his yards/scores so we're going to need to score a good amount of points as well. If the run game doesn't utterly dominate we'll need to throw some passes. I'd expect Doc to get some looks unless Reed/Thompson take over, which they very well could.

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[quote=MTK;1201630]JD needs more looks, but at the same time you earn more looks by making plays when you do get the looks which he hasn't done yet. It's a catch 22.[/quote]

On tape he's just not getting open enough for the looks Alex likes, yes he could get some 50/50 balls but Smith isn't that kind of passer.

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This offense is set up to run through Reed, Thompson, Crowder, Richardson, and Davis. Anything JD gives us is gravy.

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Talk about an optimistic power ranking note:

15. Washington Redskins (2-1, LW: 18)

Washington is in first place and here’s its (fairly easy) schedule the next few games: at Saints, vs. Panthers, vs. Cowboys, at Giants, vs. Falcons, at Buccaneers, vs. Texans, at Cowboys. If Washington can split the next two, the six games that follow aren’t too daunting. Keep that in mind and don’t be too shocked if we see an 8-3 Redskins team traveling to the Eagles for a big Dec. 3 showdown.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201653]Talk about an optimistic power ranking note:

15. Washington Redskins (2-1, LW: 18)

Washington is in first place and here’s its (fairly easy) schedule the next few games: at Saints, vs. Panthers, vs. Cowboys, at Giants, vs. Falcons, at Buccaneers, vs. Texans, at Cowboys. If Washington can split the next two, the six games that follow aren’t too daunting. Keep that in mind and don’t be too shocked if we see an 8-3 Redskins team traveling to the Eagles for a big Dec. 3 showdown.[/quote]

Wow. Where is this from?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1201656]Wow. Where is this from?[/quote]

Yahoo
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-power-rankings-chicago-bears-stay-054107566.html[/url]

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I don't see 8-3 but 7-4 is possible especially if we beat NO

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[quote=MTK;1201652]This offense is set up to run through Reed, Thompson, Crowder, Richardson, and Davis. Anything JD gives us is gravy.[/quote]

Well, the games this year say our success on offense is more directly tied to a strong running game...so Peterson and Thompson is engine which drives it.

The passing game is Thompson, Reed and Crowder with Richardson as an big play accent.

What's lacking is a dependable route runner on the outside...Doctson. This offense could be next freaking level if we had a contributor there. A Kenny Stills, John Brown...we could be top 5.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1201659]Well, the games this year say our success on offense is more directly tied to a strong running game...so Peterson and Thompson is engine which drives it.



The passing game is Thompson, Reed and Crowder with Richardson as an big play accent.



What's lacking is a dependable route runner on the outside...Doctson. This offense could be next freaking level if we had a contributor there. A Kenny Stills, John Brown...we could be top 5.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I meant the passing game goes through them

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[quote=Chico23231;1201659]Well, the games this year say our success on offense is more directly tied to a strong running game...so Peterson and Thompson is engine which drives it.

The passing game is Thompson, Reed and Crowder with Richardson as an big play accent.

What's lacking is a dependable route runner on the outside...Doctson. This offense could be next freaking level if we had a contributor there. A [B][B]Kenny Stills, John Brown[/B][/B]...we could be top 5.[/quote]

Those players play Richardson's role, we need a player like Garcon..

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Please show up Josh doctson!

I think Desean Jackson has 3 touchdowns longer than Doctson has yards this season.
If he doesn't produce, we need to bench him because any production is more than what he is doing at this point.

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Mack Brown fan club, he’s back in the PS.

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[quote=jamf;1201674]Please show up Josh doctson!

I think Desean Jackson has 3 touchdowns longer than Doctson has yards this season.
If he doesn't produce, we need to bench him because any production is more than what he is doing at this point.[/quote]

Has anyone heard of the status of our new receiver Michael Floyd? Is he a possession type outside receiver?

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Biggest surprise - killing the Pack.
Biggest disappointment - getting killed by the Colts.
The great thing is that before the season our schedule looked brutal, but at this point it looks much easier.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201640][B]Ryan Grant is having a better season than Doc. Think about that. [/B]

Im still hoping Doc can develop...but god damn...In order for the offense to take it up a notch we need a contributor on the outside. Next year we shouldnt do this exercise again.

I see a lot of under-appreciated WRs across the league making impacts...Jon Brown (coulda signed him fo cheap), Kenny Stills, Robert Woods, Randall Cobb, Sanu, etc....

We need to bring in competition for Doc position if he continues to disappoint.

We don't have to spend big money to get a contributor...this offseason we should invest in guy who can play...and it doesn't have to be a Paul Richardson size deal.[/quote]

That's because Grant is actually a better NFL wr. For all the shit he got around here he made some pretty tough catches in traffic last year. That's why he got a decent contract. All Doc seems to be able to do is leap over someone. He can't run crisp disciplined routes that can get himself consistent separation. If he can't have a big game against the Saints then it will never happen for the guy.

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[quote=punch it in;1201683]Biggest surprise - killing the Pack.
Biggest disappointment - getting killed by the Colts.
The great thing is that before the season our schedule looked brutal, but at this point it looks much easier.[/quote]

We got Green Bay at the right time under the right circumstances. I want to see how our defense can match up w/ the Saints on their indoor turf.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1201688]We got Green Bay at the right time under the right circumstances. I want to see how our defense can match up w/ the Saints on their indoor turf.[/quote]

Agree here. Brees has been playing lights out. Keys to defending this team will be taking away his options. We'll need Norman to really get up for this game - he needs to get to that dark knight place or whatever he calls it and really go to work on Thomas.

Then the front seven has to keep Kamara and Ingram (yes he's back) in check. If we let the Saints get ahead of the chains then I don't think we're stopping Brees. We have to keep them in challenging down and distances which is going to require stopping the run.

I think the pride factor has to come through here. Norman especially needs to dig deep and be a star when we need him.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1201688]We got Green Bay at the right time under the right circumstances. I want to see how our defense can match up w/ the Saints on their indoor turf.[/QUOTE]



Just for the record, this is not a game that looks easier. Lol. The Saints at home are always tough. Atlanta, TB - they actually went from very winnable game - to tough game- back to very winnable, Texans, Giants, Cowboys, even the Birds all look like very winnable games now.
However it is the Redskins so who knows which team will show up. So far this year, albeit only three games, we have seen two very different trams.

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There are rumors on Twitter that there's a Doctson trade in the works. He wasn't at practice today and when asked Gruden said he'd give a full injury report tomorrow. Right now it just sounds like wild speculation. I can't imagine what team out there would be willing to give anything up for him.

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[quote=WillH;1201751]There are rumors on Twitter that there's a Doctson trade in the works. He wasn't at practice today and when asked Gruden said he'd give a full injury report tomorrow. Right now it just sounds like wild speculation. I can't imagine what team out there would be willing to give anything up for him.

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apparently, Doctson has a minor foot injury