What is preventing Ike Hilliard and Gruden from replacing J. Doctson with Mo Harris?
 

Doctson ranks as perhaps the top 5 worst starting WRs in the NFL....

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He is averaging 27 yards a game what more do you want from him.

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They have a ton more invested in Doc than undrafted Mo Harris. That is all.

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[quote=punch it in;1206377]They have a ton more invested in Doc than undrafted Mo Harris. That is all.[/quote]

A player's draft status doesn't mean anything....Kurt Warner, London Fletcher, Victor Cruz, and Tony Romo were also undrafted and look at the large impact they had on the teams they played for...plus look at all the 1st round picks that end up as busts(Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, RG3 etc...Harris is clearly the better WR than Doctson....

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Mo has already been starting in the slot where has everyone been lol

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im all for seeing more of this guy. i guess alex smith will ultimately decide.

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Our coaching and talent has fallen flat at WR. Like to see something done.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1206379]A player's draft status doesn't mean anything....Kurt Warner, London Fletcher, Victor Cruz, and Tony Romo were also undrafted and look at the large impact they had on the teams they played for...plus look at all the 1st round picks that end up as busts(Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, RG3 etc...Harris is clearly the better WR than Doctson....[/QUOTE]



Lol Mo Harris is a pro bowler now? Listen if the guy was absolutely lighting it up ie: the other undrafted players you mentioned than ok but when he is serviceable at best you better believe that they don’t want to bench a first round draft pick.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1206386]Mo has already been starting in the slot where has everyone been lol[/QUOTE]



I thought the idea of the post was to put him outside.

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I thought it was refreshing to see Alex and Mo Harris connect. Harris is not a dynamic receiver...but having a strong, go to guy for Alex is a big step. Hopefully Harris could be the Garcon-type a lot of folks crave. I thought it was a positive from a shit based game

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1206405]I thought the idea of the post was to put him outside.[/QUOTE]


He’s probably better off inside where he’s not matching up with a top corner.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1206413]He’s probably better off inside where he’s not matching up with a top corner.[/QUOTE]



Yeah and p rich being out changes everything. But when Crowder comes back and assumes the slot than what? Doc and Floyd on the outside with Harris and Crowder in the slot? I know nothing about Floyd, but i want our three best wr’s on the field. So if Crowder assumes the slot and Doc keeps dropping balls and not getting separation you never know.

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Blame the front office. It all relates back to mismanagement

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Harris has been playing plenty. My question to those of you who are saying we need to bench Doctson would be; [B]Who do you put in to replace him?[/B]

What other options do we have that are undoubtedly BETTER than what Doctson can provide? If you're going to bench your first round pick you'd better be SURE there's an upgrade, not just "Maybe this guy can produce, we'll see.."

I agree, we need an upgrade in the WR department but as the roster stands right NOW, there isn't a whole lot sitting behind Doctson. Certainly not enough to warrant benching him.

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I would activate Trey Quinn, play him in the slot, and move Mo harris outside where he could alternate with Doctson and Michael Floyd.

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[quote=sevier2;1206430]Harris has been playing plenty. My question to those of you who are saying we need to bench Doctson would be; [B]Who do you put in to replace him?[/B]

What other options do we have that are undoubtedly BETTER than what Doctson can provide? [B]If you're going to bench your first round pick you'd better be SURE there's an upgrade, not just "Maybe this guy can produce, we'll see.."[/B]

I agree, we need an upgrade in the WR department but as the roster stands right NOW, there isn't a whole lot sitting behind Doctson. Certainly not enough to warrant benching him.[/quote]

too many ppl think just like this. That his draft status should protect him. Bullshit. He's soft ass baby shit and can;t get off a jam to save his life. I'm all for the kid trying to improve but he's not exactly out performing anyone else... Also, wasn;t Doc a 2nd? or am i losing my shit cuz this franchise is in such shambles that I can;t tell the difference between my cousin and a turd?
(i'm fine with letting kirk go tho)

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[quote=Meks;1206436]too many ppl think just like this. That his draft status should protect him. Bullshit. He's soft ass baby shit and can;t get off a jam to save his life. I'm all for the kid trying to improve but he's not exactly out performing anyone else... Also, wasn;t Doc a 2nd? or am i losing my shit cuz this franchise is in such shambles that I can;t tell the difference between my cousin and a turd?
(i'm fine with letting kirk go tho)[/quote]

I agree, draft status should have no bearing on who starts but you didn't answer my initial question.

[B]Who [/B]do you put in instead of him with our current roster? Who do you trot out there as your starting 3 without Doctson?

Crowder out wide, Quinn in the slot and Harris on the other side?? Assuming those guys can even get healthy...

Doctson is not living up to draft status, for sure. But god damn we have nothing else...

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[quote=sevier2;1206439]I agree, draft status should have no bearing on who starts but you didn't answer my initial question.

[B]Who [/B]do you put in instead of him with our current roster? Who do you trot out there as your starting 3 without Doctson?

Crowder out wide, Quinn in the slot and Harris on the other side?? Assuming those guys can even get healthy...

Doctson is not living up to draft status, for sure. But god damn we have nothing else...[/quote]

Anyone!
Brian Quick, Floyd, or Harris.
Anything over 2 receptions and 30 yards is an improvement!

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[quote=punch it in;1206404]Lol Mo Harris is a pro bowler now? Listen if the guy was absolutely lighting it up ie: the other undrafted players you mentioned than ok but when he is serviceable at best you better believe that they don’t want to bench a first round draft pick.[/quote]

No....Harris is not a pro bowler....but he is undrafted and has been more impressive than 1st rd pick Josh Doctson...through 8 games Doctson has only 19 receptions for a sour 190 yards....that is piss poor production for a WR the team invested a 1st rd pick on....he only had 40 catches for 550 yards last year....it doesn't matter where a player is drafted....or if he's drafted at all....what matters is the production that a player has....and Harris has done more in one game (10 receptions for 124 yards versus Atlanta) than Doctson has all season long...that's all I'm saying....

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[quote=Meks;1206429]Blame the front office. It all relates back to mismanagement[/quote]

Exactly...!!!

Look at the 2016 1st rd draft results....into the 2nd round look at where the NYG drafted WR Sterling Shepard....Shepard has had a more productive career than Doctson and he's the #2 behind Beckum.....we can easily assume that Sterling Shepard (drafted 19 picks behind Doctson) could have been a 1st rd selection...GM Scott McCloughan should have known that Shepard was better at pick 21 in the 1st rd than Doctson was..

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Mo Harris is a #4 WR on most rosters

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1206448]Mo Harris is a #4 WR on most rosters[/quote]

He may be, but I swear if Harris was on the Pats they'd get production out of him. Look at what they're doing w/ Patterson.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1206450]He may be, but I swear if Harris was on the Pats they'd get production out of him. Look at what they're doing w/ Patterson.[/quote]

O yeah but they would get production out of you and me too lol

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I think the FO felt we had enough talent on the roster to put off signing any WR help this year. ON PAPER we still look pretty formidable. We've got Reed, Davis, Thompson, Crowder... They added Guice which would have been huge and A. Smith has generally utilized those positions (TE & RB) more so than his wide-outs.

Now that the production hasn't come from the TE's and Backfield our lack of talent at wideout has been exposed.

It's definitely an issue, but I still don't think shuffling in some JAG's is going to improve it. I'm afraid this is a problem that won't be fixed until the off-season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1206450]He may be, but I swear if Harris was on the Pats they'd get production out of him. Look at what they're doing w/ Patterson.[/quote]

And Doctson too.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1206444]No....Harris is not a pro bowler....but he is undrafted and has been more impressive than 1st rd pick Josh Doctson...through 8 games Doctson has only 19 receptions for a sour 190 yards....that is piss poor production for a WR the team invested a 1st rd pick on....he only had 40 catches for 550 yards last year....it doesn't matter where a player is drafted....or if he's drafted at all....what matters is the production that a player has....and Harris has done more in one game (10 receptions for 124 yards versus Atlanta) than Doctson has all season long...that's all I'm saying....[/QUOTE]



I agree with you to be honest, but im not the FO with egg on my face, and im not paying these people so....

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I needed to work in my shop so I listened to the game on the radio as I also did last Sunday. The radio broadcast team especially Cooley was brutal evaluating Mo Harris, saying he was always looking to lay down after catching the ball. My TV died yesterday and can't be watching videos with data capped satellite internet, so I have to trust the broadcast team. Is the guy obviously afraid of contact?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1206944]I needed to work in my shop so I listened to the game on the radio as I also did last Sunday. The radio broadcast team especially Cooley was brutal evaluating Mo Harris, saying he was always looking to lay down after catching the ball. My TV died yesterday and can't be watching videos with data capped satellite internet, so I have to trust the broadcast team. Is the guy obviously afraid of contact?[/quote]

Harris is soft, but so is our entire WR group. Yesterday the announcers were saying "this team just has nobody to get separation" as I've said all yr watching tape. It's not all Alex's fault, yeah he has been very AVG. but he really has nobody to throw too.

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[quote=NorCall11;1206396]im all for seeing more of this guy. i guess alex smith will ultimately decide.[/quote]

yeah... about that..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1206950]Harris is soft, but so is our entire WR group. Yesterday the announcers were saying "this team just has nobody to get separation" as I've said all yr watching tape. It's not all Alex's fault, yeah he has been very AVG. but he really has nobody to throw too.[/quote]

I don't know. WR's can and do create separation but QB's also create separation. Sure we don't have an elite WR but we do have good targets. Smith was too scared to throw the ball. That was the problem. I felt like I was watching Jason Campbell all over again.. I spent a decade defending Alex Smith when he was on other rosters but man.. the guy was terrified of making a mistake throwing it but sure would take a sack in a heartbeat.

I don't expect Colt to light 'em up, but I suspect the offense will look a little better under him if he can find a rhythm early. Get the running game working, give Colt some screens and 8-10 yard out routes and I'm betting he takes some shots. I was thrilled when we signed Alex but honestly I think we're in better hands with Colt. Try to steal an early lead, run the ball 35 times and limit Colt to 20-25 throws and I think we win tomorrow. Defense has to takeover this game and I think they'll come out ready to break the will of this Dallas team early.

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Our WR group, except for Crowder, is well below average. The only thing masking that fact is the play of Reed and Davis at TE, Thompson when he was playing and catching passes, and AP when he's running well.

Doctson will be gone from the team and the NFL next year.

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[quote=Warthog;1209297]Our WR group, except for Crowder, is well below average. The only thing masking that fact is the play of Reed and Davis at TE, Thompson when he was playing and catching passes, and AP when he's running well.

Doctson will be gone from the team and the NFL next year.[/quote]


I agree....the Redskins need more help at WR....it seems like while the front office does a great job in the draft they don't do well at all in free agency....what if Doug Williams would have made that trade for Amari Cooper instead of Dallas? We needed another WR worse than Dallas did....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1209314]I agree....the Redskins need more help at WR....it seems like while the front office does a great job in the draft they don't do well at all in free agency....what if Doug Williams would have made that trade for Amari Cooper instead of Dallas? We needed another WR worse than Dallas did....[/quote]

No they don’t do well in the draft.