Should Gruden be fired ?
 

Gruden needs to be fired.
Injuries should NOT get him a pass. You're down to your 3rd string qb you just picked up off the street and you give the ball to AP 9 times??? Even after a 90 yard TD.
His play calling is horrible. We're continuously a sloppy, unprepared and undisciplined team. We would have choked down the stretch even with Alex. We were never as good as our record. Jay has been here 5 years and taken us to the playoffs ONCE. Since then we've gotten progressively worse every year. We will never win with Jay.

Bruce Allen needs to go too. Being linked to George Allen shouldn't get him a pass anymore.....

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I am ready for this too, but I doubt it will happen. And I think it's mainly because Snyder doesn't want to pay Gruden the remainder of his contract, and he'll give the excuse of injuries. I think next year we'll have another repeat of this season with Gruden and Smith...and of course, more injuries. Our only hope is Guice is the next Todd Gurley.

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[quote=Redskins247;1211285]I am ready for this too, but I doubt it will happen. And I think it's mainly because Snyder doesn't want to pay Gruden the remainder of his contract, and he'll give the excuse of injuries. I think next year we'll have another repeat of this season with Gruden and Smith...and of course, more injuries. Our only hope is Guice is the next Todd Gurley.[/quote]

Even still....Snyder has to do something.....how many more wins and less losses would the Redskins team have that's healthy? Probably 1 more win and 1 less loss at best(7-5)....

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Fire please I'm done with Jay

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1211303]Even still....Snyder has to do something.....how many more wins and less losses would the Redskins team have that's healthy? Probably 1 more win and 1 less loss at best(7-5)....[/quote]

No. 8. You can't discount the absolute fucking cheat job vs. Houston .... Nonetheless, fire him.

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Send him back to the arena league with his brother

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yes.

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Yes unless we bring back Jim Zorn then no....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1211272]Gruden needs to be fired.
Injuries should NOT get him a pass. You're down to your 3rd string qb you just picked up off the street and you give the ball to AP 9 times??? Even after a 90 yard TD.
His play calling is horrible. We're continuously a sloppy, unprepared and undisciplined team. We would have choked down the stretch even with Alex. We were never as good as our record. Jay has been here 5 years and taken us to the playoffs ONCE. Since then we've gotten progressively worse every year. We will never win with Jay.

Bruce Allen needs to go too. Being linked to George Allen shouldn't get him a pass anymore.....[/quote]
totally agree with you his play calling is horrible no imagination and i don,t want to hear about injuries because when we were healthy we still didn,t score a ton of points i don,t even know if we scored over thirty points this year in any game .and we did need to draft a quarterback in the first two rounds this year ugh........................

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1211307]Send him back to the arena league with his brother[/quote]

They have a team in Washington DC that won last year's title with a 2-10 record. They are down to just 4 teams, they all make the play-offs.

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I think this is similar to the Cousins situation, you can make arguments and excuses for the lack of wins, but I just think the team needs to move on from him.

Regardless of what happens, I think Manusky needs to get canned right away. His unit has NO EXCUSE for their declining performance.

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The team really needs almost a complete over haul. Two QBs on the wrong side of 30 coming off of broken legs. 33 year old running back with an O-line that cannot stay healthy blocking for him. An overall slow defense that allows too many yards after first contact. Looking on the bright side we should be set at punter and place kicker for almost another 10 years.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1211332]The team really needs almost a complete over haul. Two QBs on the wrong side of 30 coming off of broken legs. 33 year old running back with an O-line that cannot stay healthy blocking for him. An overall slow defense that allows too many yards after first contact. Looking on the bright side we should be set at punter and place kicker for almost another 10 years.[/quote]

Did you forget we have Guice? AP is a stop gap, we knew we needed a QB of the future. Beef up the OL, get some CB, LB and S help.

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U can't rely on DG, he is injury prone already at a young age... Not gonna be a big impact for long if he is at all

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Manusky is the one who needs fired. There is talent on D that just isn't being used properly.

The injuries do matter and say what you want but take away a team's #1 QB and the O line and it gets very difficult. I'd let Jay finish out his contract and see what happens.

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[quote=irish;1211344]Manusky is the one who needs fired. There is talent on D that just isn't being used properly.

The injuries do matter and say what you want but take away a team's [B]#1 QB[/B] and the O line and it gets very difficult. I'd let Jay finish out his contract and see what happens.[/quote]

Some are underrating the Alex Smith Injury. He is also like a coach on the field for the other guys, and he probably helped Jay a ton. He's a smart QB so I can see losing him makes a bigger impact than just his play.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1211345]Some are underrating the Alex Smith Injury. He is also like a coach on the field for the other guys, and he probably helped Jay a ton. He's a smart QB so I can see losing him makes a bigger impact than just his play.[/quote]

Agree. Not only did they lose AS, they lost Colt who also seems like an on-field/ coach. Now on to a third string QB who has been on the team for 2 weeks. Also the guys who they brought in off the street to play O line are now out. This makes a huge difference on a team with limited offensive weapons. I'm not saying JG is a great HC but these injuries kill any chance of the offense doing what he wants.

After firing Manusky, I'd fire the entire training staff. This team is constantly injured and it happens way too much to be coincidence. The organization needs to totally re-evaluate its trainers and training philosophy.

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Snyder/Bruce/Gruden....

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This whole thing is such a mess. I don't know what coach would want to come here and inherit a veteran QB in Smith that we're tied to for the next 2 years coming off a serious injury, a backup QB coming off a broken leg, and looking at a so so draft class when it comes to QBs. I think we very well may see Gruden back in 2019.

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[quote=MTK;1211369]This whole thing is such a mess. I don't know what coach would want to come here and inherit a veteran QB in Smith that we're tied to for the next 2 years coming off a serious injury, a backup QB coming off a broken leg, and looking at a so so draft class when it comes to QBs. I think we very well may see Gruden back in 2019.[/quote]

Many folks on twitter saying the Fanbase of the Redskins is crippling by the week. The stands show it too weekly. I don't blame anyone for not attending that garbage.

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[quote=MTK;1211369]This whole thing is such a mess. I don't know what coach would want to come here and inherit a veteran QB in Smith that we're tied to for the next 2 years coming off a serious injury, a backup QB coming off a broken leg, and looking at a so so draft class when it comes to QBs. I think we very well may see Gruden back in 2019.[/quote]

Shit Jay may not even want to come back lmao

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You can't bring both Smith and McCoy back.
There has to be a younger option on the roster. I would even go as far as having two younger QBs on the roster with Smith as a starter.

Unfortunately Daddy Gruden seems himself in McCoy and won't cut him so we are stuck with two broken down QBs.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1211307]Send him back to the arena league with his brother[/quote]

How did he make it as the OC in Cincinnati? Seems like he called plays way better than he does now....even if Gruden brought in a OC things could only get better....that's my problem with him...his play calling is laughably incompetent.

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Gruden must be my Life Coach today because I have absolutely zero motivation to do my job right now.

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[quote=MTK;1211369]This whole thing is such a mess. I don't know what coach would want to come here and inherit a veteran QB in Smith that we're tied to for the next 2 years coming off a serious injury, a backup QB coming off a broken leg, and looking at a so so draft class when it comes to QBs. I think we very well may see Gruden back in 2019.[/quote]

I feel the Redskins need a defensive oriented head coach like Marty....a defensive type of HC would accept Smith as an aging QB....but he would be smart to draft a QB by the 3rd round of the draft.....if Gruden returns for 2019 then he has to hire 2 coordinators.......because Manusky is terrible and Gruden himself can't call plays and balance the offense out worth a damn....

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^^^

I agree, I want a defensive coordinator type to be the next HC. This team needs some damn toughness. I also think its easier to be a Defensive HC and hire a good OC than the other way around.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1211421]How did he make it as the OC in Cincinnati? Seems like he called plays way better than he does now....even if Gruden brought in a OC things could only get better....that's my problem with him...his play calling is laughably incompetent.[/quote]

When you can call Dalton to Green every other play you can look like a genius.

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[quote=MTK;1211369]This whole thing is such a mess. I don't know what coach would want to come here and inherit a veteran QB in Smith that we're tied to for the next 2 years coming off a serious injury, a backup QB coming off a broken leg, and looking at a so so draft class when it comes to QBs. I think we very well may see Gruden back in 2019.[/quote]

Doesn't matter. A coach will come if the opportunity is right. If he's paid handsomely, if he's given a good amount of control, or at least paired with a bright football mind in a GM - a coach will be happy to take the job. Which means, if Gruden goes, Bruce Allen needs to go as well.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1211421]How did he make it as the OC in Cincinnati? Seems like he called plays way better than he does now....even if Gruden brought in a OC things could only get better....that's my problem with him...his play calling is laughably incompetent.[/quote]

He had some talent and weapons in Cincy. He doesn't have that here.

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From reading through these comments, apologies if I am remaking someone else's point, but two things occur to me

1. Is writing off of $10m of Grudens contract more expensive than an emptying stadium and tanking sales of merchandise ?

2. Canning Manusky, heard the Radio guys mention this aswell, but if you assume you are going to give Gruden one last chance, who is going to want to be DC for a year for a HC who could get fired by mid-season? And if you have made your mind up to fire Gruden at the end of this season, which seems likely barring a heroic run into the playoffs, what is the point in canning Manusky now?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1211330]I think this is similar to the Cousins situation, you can make arguments and excuses for the lack of wins, but I just think the team needs to move on from him.

Regardless of what happens, I think Manusky needs to get canned right away. His unit has NO EXCUSE for their declining performance.[/quote]

I came here to write pretty much exactly this. Manusky should be canned, he has most of his personnel and it's not bad personnel.

But Gruden chose Manusky. I had concerns at the time that he wasn't considering his options well enough, sticking with an in-house candidate due to familiarity and continuity. It tells me Jay is too conservative, unimaginative and too unwilling to expand his horizons.

You can't say Jay didn't pick the players, he's had a lot of say in drafts. You can't say Jay doesn't call the plays and own the game plan. And you can't say Jay didn't pick the coaches. He picked them all.

Someone else should get a shot to show what they can do with this roster. A good coach will get them into the playoffs, there's enough talent.

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[SIZE="7"][COLOR="Black"]FUCK yes![/COLOR][/SIZE]


Dude should have been fired last year, but I gave him a pass on the injuries. Fact is, he's a mediocre coach who instills absolutely NO discipline in his team. It shows on the field.

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[quote=Schneed10;1211470]I came here to write pretty much exactly this. Manusky should be canned, he has most of his personnel and it's not bad personnel.

But Gruden chose Manusky. I had concerns at the time that he wasn't considering his options well enough, sticking with an in-house candidate due to familiarity and continuity. It tells me Jay is too conservative, unimaginative and too unwilling to expand his horizons.

You can't say Jay didn't pick the players, he's had a lot of say in drafts. You can't say Jay doesn't call the plays and own the game plan. And you can't say Jay didn't pick the coaches. He picked them all.

Someone else should get a shot to show what they can do with this roster. A good coach will get them into the playoffs, there's enough talent.[/quote]

I would also bet that Jay had a lot to do with keeping Luvao around.

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I don't know if i would fire Gruden just yet. When McCoy went down they started blitzing and stacking the box preparing for the run. Sanchez only knew a handful of play. Next week wont be much better. It's hard to run an aging back with 7 or 8 men in the box.. The Quarterback had no clue where half his receivers were during plays. The Dude just walked in off the street. Literally!
Firing Gruden wouldn't really in my opinion be fair. Its really hard to game plan or call plays with these types of injuries. How are you suppose to call a game when your QB doesn't know the playbook. You Can't. I don't think they should fire Gruden..
I Mean- I would like to see a new group come in and take us to 11-1 like Sean McVay is doing with the Rams but that's not gonna happen. and it wouldn't be right.

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Not sure jay is the sole reason we are where we are but he is the head guy and he needs to take the fall. We also need a change at this point might as well start st the top.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1211472][SIZE="7"][COLOR="Black"]FUCK yes![/COLOR][/SIZE]





Dude should have been fired last year, but I gave him a pass on the injuries. Fact is, he's a mediocre coach who instills absolutely NO discipline in his team. It shows on the field.[/QUOTE]



This. Except more exclamation points.
So undisciplined. Never prepared. Always slow out of the gates in the second half. His staff is crap. He has a fucking God awful confused look on his face all the time. Terrible play calling with or without a good quarterback or injuries. I mean what exactly has anyone who wants him here still seen that makes you feel that way? I hear a lot of excuses about injuries, but wtf did he ever do when the team was healthy. You could argue that even in a win he has made it more difficult than it had to be. If he is back next year I might as well take the season off. Some people have the chops to be HC’s and some do not. I was all for it when we hired him, gave him plenty of chances but he doesn’t have the chops.
He is not the entire problem by any means (poor home field advantage, shit drafts and shit trades - poor mismanagement of all things player personnel, etc) but he is not a part of the solution so it all goes out the window anyway. Like I said he holds us back win or lose.

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I say yes. I think we've seen enough out of Gruden by now to know what you get.

His team's are consistently not prepared, and show up Flat.

He's a poor man's Jeff Fisher. He will always hover around 8-8 / 9-7. His teams are not the WORST in the NFL but they are nowhere near the best.

You can use injuries as an excuse but something is fishy when his teams are among the most injured in the NFL year after year. Could all of the light practices and "Club Jay" BS have to do with that?

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Cooley critiqued Gruden's offensive system and play calling on his podcast today in a way I haven't heard today.

He went into the disconnect between the passing game and running game and analogized it to a situation he was involved in during Gibb's 2.0.

I would suggest listening to it if you have an opportunity but gist of it is Callahan is the run game coordinator, and O'Connell is the pass game coordinator; and the tendencies of each don't match the other.

That we are losing on play action because our runs don't look like our passes.

He also lamented the reliance on the pound draw play rather than using it as a change of pace. This is the play we see week in and week out where the line soft sets and has zero leverage on the run play. You know the one, the one that ends in 2nd and 8.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1211501]Cooley critiqued Gruden's offensive system and play calling on his podcast today in a way I haven't heard today.

He went into the disconnect between the passing game and running game and analogized it to a situation he was involved in during Gibb's 2.0.

I would suggest listening to it if you have an opportunity but gist of it is Callahan is the run game coordinator, and O'Connell is the pass game coordinator; and the tendencies of each don't match the other.

That we are losing on play action because our runs don't look like our passes.

He also lamented the reliance on the pound draw play rather than using it as a change of pace. This is the play we see week in and week out where the line soft sets and has zero leverage on the run play. [B]You know the one, the one that ends in 2nd and 8[/B].[/quote]

And that's if it works well lol.

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Did anyone see how much urgency, energy, and passion Philly played with last night? Compare that to the Skins. They played dead, no energy, no urgency. Yawn....Again. On prime time. Big game. We looked like complete shit BEFORE McCoy went down.

That’s coaching. That’s the difference between Gruden and Doug Peterson.

Gruden needs to go


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