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Washington has said repeatedly that Haskins was their guy, but who truly believes this? Who thinks Washington would have taken Jones at 15 if he was there?


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Not me. Haskins was the name they were most connected with in the process. Haskins is the better prospect than Jones.

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I think Haskins was their guy all along, would they have considered Jones if he was there at 15 and Haskins wasn’t? Probably.


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1222890]Washington has said repeatedly that Haskins was their guy, but who truly believes this? Who thinks Washington would have taken Jones at 15 if he was there?


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Who thinks we would be speaking German right now if we had lost WWII?

I'm not into revisionist history because it is meaningless.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1222895]Who thinks we would be speaking German right now if we had lost WWII?

I'm not into revisionist history because it is meaningless.[/quote]

lol

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Had the NYG taken Haskins I'm not so sure that Jones would have been the pick for Washington...I think they would have taken Sweat at #15 and Jones would have fallen...there's a strong possibility that Jones would have fallen to the Redskins at the #46 pick in this scenario.

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I read an article that said the Midgets took Jones early because the Skins would of taken him at #15. I find that funny I think the Midgets are trying to save face. Jones might turn out to be a good even great QB but I'd like to believe we wouldn't be interested in him until at least the 3rd round IMO.

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Dave Gettleman,

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I certainly hope not.

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Gentleman out there just trying to save face for shaq'tin a fool at # 6.

They could of got the best player in the draft imo, Josh Allen.

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i hope not, and love the shaq'tin a fool reference

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Gettlemen would be better off just owning the pick and saying yeah he was our guy all the way and he was worth the #6 pick to us. Stop with the BS of blaming other teams.

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And you should pick because of what you want your team to achieve, not based on fear of what someone else will do. You think Bellichick picks players based on what he thinks the Bills, Jets or Dolphins will do? Yeah, me neither. What nonsense. I hope that's how Gettleman is making picks -- the Gnats will be doomed for a while.

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I didn't even realize that was Gettlemen's reasoning behind the draft pick? Picking out of fear another team was going to make that pick. Whatev's.... I think we got the QB with the higher ceiling.

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[quote=metalskins;1223024] I think we got the QB with the higher ceiling.[/quote]

everyone agrees Haskins' ceiling is higher. But his floor is also lower. He's boom or bust. Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling, but his floor is still high-end backup / low-end starter.

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My personal opinion to answer the question asked...

Yes, if Haskins had not fallen into the Redskins lap, then the Redskins would have taken Daniel Jones, and I would have be totally fine with that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1223025]everyone agrees Haskins' ceiling is higher. But his floor is also lower. He's boom or bust. Daniel Jones has a lower ceiling, but his floor is still high-end backup / low-end starter.[/quote]

I think the good thing is, we don't necessarily need to start Haskins this year. In fact, I believe if the 'skins are even decent with Keenum starting, then he might sit next year as well (although unlikely.) Maybe work him in for a play here and there, but as long as Snyder is willing to give Gruden a longer leash, we don't have to rush him into anything - which will give him every chance to succeed.

Then again, Gruden might be announcing he's the starting QB by training camp.

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If Haskins was gone and Jones was there at 15, we most likely would have traded back. Gettleman panicked and screwed up. He wouldn't have had to deal with this, had he drafted Sam Darnold last year. But oh well.

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lewis riddick said it best. the giants are asking jones to be something hes never been. thats be great. no i dont think the skins had any desire to pick jones

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1222890]Washington has said repeatedly that Haskins was their guy, but who truly believes this? Who thinks Washington would have taken Jones at 15 if he was there?


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Yes , it's been well known for a while the Allen and Snyder wanted Haskins and the other in the FO and Gruden wanted Jones , as did Denver.


[url]https://thespun.com/football/redskins-owner-coach-reportedly-disagreeing-on-their-first-pick[/url]

[url]https://www.theringer.com/nfl-draft/2019/4/25/18517357/nfl-draft-washington-redskins-dwayne-haskins-dan-snyder[/url]

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Maybe the skins leaked they liked jones... there is a lot of poker being played for sure! I don’t believe we would have taken Jones at 15 .. maybe later .. and maybe we would have landed Rosen.. but I’m the end it worked out great!! I have a feeling that Keenum is going to be better than a lot of folks thought and he starts the season and plays well... It will be nice to have some stability at that position and Haskins can sit and learn !

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This hit me the day after round 1 but I don't think I mentioned it in here yet. Eli is not going to help this poor fucker AT ALL.

He might even go out of his way to fuck him over and that makes it that much sweeter.

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The Giants taking Jones as their future franchise QB means that we'll be facing Eli Manning for the next two years. Jones will be a draft bust and the Giants will admit to it when Manning keeps his QB spot, and while he keeps playing below average football. It's good to see another team in the NFC East blow their draft and get pummeled by the press for doing so.

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[QUOTE=los panda;1223055]This hit me the day after round 1 but I don't think I mentioned it in here yet. Eli is not going to help this poor fucker AT ALL.

He might even go out of his way to fuck him over and that makes it that much sweeter.

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Ummm, you do know Daniel Jones has a very close and personal relationship with Eli and Peyton Manning, right? He was also coached by the same guy who coached the Mannings.


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1223058]Ummm, you do know Daniel Jones has a very close and personal relationship with Eli and Peyton Manning, right? He was also coached by the same guy who coached the Mannings.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Makes it even spicier. Eli is such a prick and he wants to keep his job.

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see Eli doing anything that would help a competitor, friend or not, threaten his livelihood.

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[QUOTE=los panda;1223059]Makes it even spicier. Eli is such a prick and he wants to keep his job.

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see Eli doing anything that would help a competitor, friend or not, threaten his livelihood.

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Eli is old as shit, and his time is short


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1223061]Eli is old as shit, and his time is short


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Exactly. He'll be with Jones this season and that's it. I can't see him sticking around as a backup and mentor to Jones.

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[quote=los panda;1223059]Makes it even spicier. Eli is such a prick and he wants to keep his job.

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see Eli doing anything that would help a competitor, friend or not, threaten his livelihood.

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Jones isn't good enough to win the job from Eli and Eli is not going to just give him the position. Now if the Giants say Jones will be the starter regardless of how they do in training camp, then Eli will help mentor him and then watch while he crashes and burns.

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[quote=rocnrik;1223052]Maybe the skins leaked they liked jones... there is a lot of poker being played for sure! I don’t believe we would have taken Jones at 15 .. maybe later .. and maybe we would have landed Rosen.. but I’m the end it worked out great!! I have a feeling that Keenum is going to be better than a lot of folks thought and he starts the season and plays well... It will be nice to have some stability at that position and Haskins can sit and learn ![/quote]

So you have two QB's that need to learn a new system.:food-smil

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[quote=Giantone;1223064]So you have two QB's that need to learn a new system.:food-smil[/quote]

The NFL teams generally put in the new QB and let him learn by doing. There's a difference between watching Eli Manning, who has won two SB, and seeing Colt McCoy or Keenum play.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1223058]Ummm, you do know Daniel Jones has a [B]very close and personal relationship with Eli[/B] and Peyton Manning, right? He was also coached by the same guy who coached the Mannings.


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Do you have a source on the "very close and personal relationship with Eli"?

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[quote=los panda;1223452]Do you have a source on the "very close and personal relationship with Eli"?[/quote]

No , becuase he doesn't. He was at the manning passing camp met both Eli and Peyton ...."ONCE" but he was coached by their personal QB coach.

David Cutcliffe

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[quote=Giantone;1223453]No , becuase he doesn't. He was at the manning passing camp met both Eli and Peyton ...."ONCE" but he was coached by their personal QB coach.

David Cutcliffe[/quote]

:lol: I met Charles Mann once at the grand opening of a local hardware store when I was like 6 or 7 years old. I guess you could say that we have a very close and personal relationship. :laughing2

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[quote=los panda;1223454]:lol: I met Charles Mann once at the grand opening of a local hardware store when I was like 6 or 7 years old. I guess you could say that we have a very close and personal relationship. :laughing2[/quote]

Jones never made the claim, others did.

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[quote=Giantone;1223455]Jones never made the claim, others did.[/quote]

5sb3w's press pass has been revoked.

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[QUOTE=los panda;1223456]5sb3w's press pass has been revoked.[/QUOTE]He's already left for an Eagle's board.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1223458]He's already left for an Eagle's board.

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Did he change his name to 3superbowls1win?

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[quote=Giantone;1223051]Yes , it's been well known for a while the Allen and Snyder wanted Haskins and the other in the FO and Gruden wanted Jones , as did Denver.


[url]https://thespun.com/football/redskins-owner-coach-reportedly-disagreeing-on-their-first-pick[/url]

[url]https://www.theringer.com/nfl-draft/2019/4/25/18517357/nfl-draft-washington-redskins-dwayne-haskins-dan-snyder[/url][/quote] That is not known, nor has it been verified by anyone. Nobody wanted that bum ass qb.

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[quote=Giantone;1223064]So you have two QB's that need to learn a new system.:food-smil[/quote]

The Giants got two sorry ass qbs who probably won't be in the league in the next 2 three years.

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[quote=MTK;1222993]Gettlemen would be better off just owning the pick and saying yeah he was our guy all the way and he was worth the #6 pick to us. Stop with the BS of blaming other teams.[/quote]

I don't know why he hasn't taken this approach. He should've just said "We believe he's among the top QB's in this draft and a great fit for this organization looking at the future. Could we have gotten him at #17? Maybe, but for us, it wasn't worth the risk. We're excited about the future of the Giants and we're excited to have Daniel Jones be a part of that."

For the record, I think the Redskins got into Gettleman's head the day of the draft and Gettleman bit hard. Haskins was the QB they wanted if they were going to take one.