Guice dealing with hamstring injury, questionable for start of training camp
 

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/07/13/redskins-camp-approaches-derrius-guice-plays-down-report-hamstring-injury/?utm_term=.ac6e02fca04a"]As Redskins camp approaches, Derrius Guice plays down report of hamstring injury[/URL]

I think it's way too early to call this a big deal, but it's still a concern and something to keep an eye on.

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[quote=MTK;1225340][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/07/13/redskins-camp-approaches-derrius-guice-plays-down-report-hamstring-injury/?utm_term=.ac6e02fca04a"]As Redskins camp approaches, Derrius Guice plays down report of hamstring injury[/URL]

I think it's way too early to call this a big deal, but it's still a concern and something to keep an eye on.[/quote]

Got me scared at first but it seems it's not that big of a deal after all. Concerning none the less.

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IMO it’s very concerning and I’m still worried about the knee which clearly isn’t 100%. AP is great depth, but in terms of our offense reaching next level, Guice is key. His ability to catch out the backfield is something this team needs to incorporate...AP isn’t a natural receiver. While running the ball is key for how our team is built, we need to throw the ball more on first down and RB out the backfield on early downs is pivotal getting that done.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1225343]IMO it’s very concerning and I’m still worried about the knee which clearly isn’t 100%. AP is great depth, but in terms of our offense reaching next level, Guice is key. His ability to catch out the backfield is something this team needs to incorporate...AP isn’t a natural receiver. While running the ball is key for how our team is built, we need to throw the ball more on first down and RB out the backfield on early downs is pivotal getting that done.[/QUOTE]Agree.

An injury prone player, who the team is supposedly heavily relying on, incurring an injury of the type which frequently lingers for long periods of time is very concerning.

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I'll re-post Hoffman's tweet for some context:

"@CraigHoffman

Source confirms @ErinHawksworth report that Derrius Guice tweaked his hamstring while rehabbing.

Not sure it really effects much, because he was already going to be monitored in camp. Also happened a few weeks ago, so has already had time to heal."

As JP Findlay said, in a vacuum this would not be a big deal, but given the injury, it is concerning. But it also sounds like despite this setback, Guice may not have been ready for the beginning of training camp.

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Perine has an opportunity now...hopefully Jay wasn’t bullshitting about how well Perine looked this Spring

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[quote=Chico23231;1225346]Perine has an opportunity now...hopefully Jay wasn’t bullshitting about how well Perine looked this Spring[/quote]

Perine has always had an opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I hope he lives up to his potential. I just feel that the moment he puts a ball on the ground in the preseason, he'll be done.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225365][B]Perine has always had an opportunity[/B]. Don't get me wrong, I hope he lives up to his potential. I just feel that the moment he puts a ball on the ground in the preseason, he'll be done.[/quote]

Agreed, Perine had a lot of opportunities, doesn't mean he can't become a better player but so fat he never made enough out of the opportunities he was granted IMO.
Doesn't it feel like Jay Gruden has a soft spot in his heart for RBs and WRs ? (Perine, Fat Rob, Marshall, Ryan Grant etc...) He always lists the full squad when he's asked about these 2 positions and we've seen guys get more opportunities than maybe we thought they deserved.

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Marshall is better than Perine. He's a more complete back. But like half the roster he seems to always be hurt. Perine just has draft pick status. They should have cut him last year. Bibbs was even better than Perine.

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F Perine let's just hope AP can continue to defy father time. A healthy Chris Thompson sure would be nice too.

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Perine or Marshall, one will no be on the roster come Week 1 unless Guice is out again. Peterson is going to be fine, he trains like a mad man. We really do need Guice to be a difference maker though.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1225366]Agreed, Perine had a lot of opportunities, doesn't mean he can't become a better player but so fat he never made enough out of the opportunities he was granted IMO.
Doesn't it feel like Jay Gruden has a soft spot in his heart for RBs and WRs ? (Perine, Fat Rob, Marshall, Ryan Grant etc...) He always lists the full squad when he's asked about these 2 positions and we've seen guys get more opportunities than maybe we thought they deserved.[/quote]

I think Jay has a soft spot for everyone. I think he is the opposite of the Vince Lombardi type. I have seen plenty a play where an average coach would have greeted the player with an ass chewing coming off the field and Gruden did nothing. The one that stands out if he saw it was when Jordan Reed stood and gave Alex Smith the stink eye when Alex's throw was picked off in the end zone and the defender went 100 yards the other direction for a TD. If Reed didn't pull that stunt he could have saved a TD. That had to stand out like a sore thumb on film if the coaches missed it during the game.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1225374]I think Jay has a soft spot for everyone. I think he is the opposite of the Vince Lombardi type. I have seen plenty a play where an average coach would have greeted the player with an ass chewing coming off the field and Gruden did nothing. The one that stands out if he saw it was when Jordan Reed stood and gave Alex Smith the stink eye when Alex's throw was picked off in the end zone and the defender went 100 yards the other direction for a TD. If Reed didn't pull that stunt he could have saved a TD. That had to stand out like a sore thumb on film if the coaches missed it during the game.[/quote]

I can see this, Jay seems like a people person and a bit of a push over. He may be "too loyal" if you will.

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We've got a sky is falling mentality right now whenever we hear any injury news. It's hard to blame us, we've been ravaged the last two years, and when Reuben Foster goes down on a non contact play on the first play of OTAs, you start to feel like it's never going to get better.

But if you flip a coin and it comes up tails 20 times in a row, that's an extremely unlikely occurrence and it starts to feel like you'll never see a heads again. But the likelihood of the [B]next[/B] coin flip coming up heads is still 50/50.

Such is our life right now. After what we've been through, you hear about a major player with any kind of injury, you assume it's a killer. But each of these really has to be looked at individually. I remain convinced that we've been crushed by bad luck the last two seasons, and that there's little the team could have done to avoid the calamity.

The chances that this screws Guice up for the start of the season is miniscule, in my mind.

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The only time I pull my hammy is if the sheets are tucked too tight.

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I'm not concerned (yet). Because he hasn't missed any games yet because of it. But I don't enjoy the trend. Let us have nice things.

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Guice shared a video of him working out, and he captioned it 'hamstring who?' Looks pretty spry to me.

Can't trust anything you hear from the media during the slow period of June/July. Almost anything with a sensational angle gets put out to drive clicks.

The hammy is definitely a non issue.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/derrius-guice-shares-workout-video-amid-reports-swirling-about-his-health[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1225392]Guice shared a video of him working out, and he captioned it 'hamstring who?' Looks pretty spry to me.

Can't trust anything you hear from the media during the slow period of June/July. Almost anything with a sensational angle gets put out to drive clicks.

The hammy is definitely a non issue.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/derrius-guice-shares-workout-video-amid-reports-swirling-about-his-health[/url][/quote]

Yeah I saw that one, on one hand a player is always going to say he's alright... but on the other hand he actually looks alright.
The thing is "a hamstring injury" can be anything from a sprained muscle that bothers you for a couple of days to a torn muscle that lingers all season... So there's definitely material to twist the reality and right some good click bait articles from close to nothing.
And it wouldn't be the first time negative things get blown out of proportions by the media around Guice.

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As Rich Tandler used to say never listen to what a player says about his injury.

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Well in this case I wanna listento him and in addition believe with my eyes lol

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[quote=MTK;1225404]As Rich Tandler used to say never listen to what a player says about his injury.[/quote]

Fair, but I mean unless Guice is posting a video from a few weeks ago before he tweaked his hammy, he certainly looks OK to me.

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I'm sure he'll be fine, and I'm sure the plan for him even before this was to have him on a pretty strict pitch count in camp.

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well, we did draft another RB in the 4th round. Just give him a shot...

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Guice is the future at RB for the next few years if he can stay healthy. Perine has never been that good IMO, even with the chances he has had. I think this is his last year unless guice gets hurt again.

Gruden is a player's coach, which hasn't translated into wins for the team.

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It will be interesting to see how the backfield develops. Bryce Love is coming off an injury, but he's the real deal -- I have seen him play a bunch, and he is explosive and doesn't shy away from contact. It's going to be fascinating seeing how this all develops.

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[quote=calia;1225423]It will be interesting to see how the backfield develops. Bryce Love is coming off an injury, but he's the real deal -- I have seen him play a bunch, and he is explosive and doesn't shy away from contact. It's going to be fascinating seeing how this all develops.[/quote]

What was Love's injury? where did you see him play?

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[quote=warthog;1225426]what was love's injury? Where did you see him play?[/quote]

acl

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Maybe he's not as good as advertised.

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So is Love's ACL injury going to keep him from playing any this season most likely? Is that the consensus on him...starting the season on the PUP list?

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[quote=Redskins247;1225458]So is Love's ACL injury going to keep him from playing any this season most likely? Is that the consensus on him...starting the season on the PUP list?[/quote]

He probably doesn't play this year. I think the Love pick was more next year than this year as CT is in last year of contract and AP will probably be gone.

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Yeah I don't see Love doing much this year, if he even makes the team

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1225462]Yeah I don't see Love doing much this year, if he even makes the team[/QUOTE]


He’ll definitely make the team, he’ll likely start out on PUP



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[QUOTE=Warthog;1225426]What was Love's injury? where did you see him play?[/QUOTE]



At Stanford. Saw several games - he can just take them over. Obviously, he has to recover but he’s a very smart, hardworking guy. He will find a way to make an impact eventually.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1225462]Yeah I don't see Love doing much this year, if he even makes the team[/quote]

You must be crazy. That is probably the most explosive player on this team. if he comes back even 50% of what he was before the injury. He's not only going to make the team, but he's going to be dangerous on third down.

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AP is just a stopgap for this year. Guice and Love are the future. I'm just worried that Guice's injury for last year may take away some of his explosiveness. Plus the hamstring thing now. I really want to see Guice tear it up in the NFL!

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I’d also like to see how BYRON does at RB, tough competition for that last slot. Gruden keeps taking up Petrine but I’ve always found his running style kind of conservative and unimaginative.


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