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What did you think? He was right where I thought he'd be in my opinion. He definitely flashed the big arm we knew he had and his ability to make big time throws is obvious. He also moved around better than people give him credit for, he's not a statue back there. The INT on the wheel route was pure rookie, staring down his target.

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[quote=MTK;1226546][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001040266/article/dwayne-haskins-turns-in-upanddown-skins-debut"]Dwayne Haskins turns in up-and-down 'Skins debut[/URL]

What did you think? He was right where I thought he'd be in my opinion. He definitely flashed the big arm we knew he had and his ability to make big time throws is obvious. He also moved around better than people give him credit for, he's not a statue back there. The INT on the wheel route was pure rookie, staring down his target.[/quote]

The thing is on the wheel route, he had him. Needed to put a little more on it and it would been a big gainer. So that was the right target, but under threw.

Ill say this...the fumble by the WR was pure trash. Killed the momentum because it just looked like we were going to score, had that feeling.

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On the Redskins Talk pod, Cooley broke down one of the interceptions and the breakdown was really encouraging.

He explained Haskins has only seen the Redskins defense play cover 3. Our DBs break off mid route which is exactly the way Haskins played it.

The Cleveland DBs play cover 3 differently, he said. Dwayne had never seen Cleveland's style because there was zero game planning.

Interceptions are bad but Dwayne threw it correctly for how he has been coached thus far.

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He is where I expected for his first ever game and not playing with any starters. On the wheel route the RB was open, Haskins just got excited and underthrew it but he was open. The second int was a bad one but those can be cleaned up. We saw the first two completions where his arm talent was on full display, idiotic WR just fumbled the ball, and almost had Sims for a TD. Excited to see him with more first team reps next week.

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I saw the physical gifts, the first throw on the rollout was pretty, placed perfectly, and was on the run with touch. Just looked like some iffy decisions as you’d expect for a rookie. And the protection wasn’t great.

All in all very encouraging. Once he catches up on the mental part and works through the baptism by fire in the NFL, he’ll be very good. It will take time but we knew that.

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Also if he gets the support from a good ground game in Peterson Guice and Thompson, I think he’d look better, even despite still having to learn a lot.

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I knew he was no statue, but the dude really had some wheels! His biggest thing (and I'm not coach) is footwork. When his base was sound, he was throwing money balls.

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Haskins will be fine , reviewing his grades shortly but I think he will be a damn good QB

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He is going to be an excellent QB IMHO.

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Agree he looked to move as well as Cousins on those read options. Definitely nimble enough to scramble for the occasional first down.

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[quote=Schneed10;1226576]Agree he looked to move as well as Cousins on those read options. Definitely nimble enough to scramble for the occasional first down.[/quote]

He did it often in college but the NFL speed wasn't always there, last night he proved he can get first downs. Kid reminds me so much of Big Ben when he was young

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No worries based on last night’s performance. His tool kit is outstanding — brains, arm, pocket presence, feet — and once we get an O line together with a ground game (even looking past 71 into the 2020’s), there’s a lot for us to be psyched about.

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The worst part of this whole thing was watching Daniel Jones look like a seasoned vet. Sure, it was five throws, but I'd rather HE be the one who looked like shit.

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My biggest concern... is him not getting injured in preseason. He needs the rep. But tell me that sack he took yesterday didn't scare you ? If Jay keeps not playing the starters he's put in a risky spot.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1226588]My biggest concern... is him not getting injured in preseason. He needs the rep. But tell me that sack he took yesterday didn't scare you ? If Jay keeps not playing the starters he's put in a risky spot.[/quote]

In one of the sacks, the defender went straight for his knees and I don't know how that wasn't a flag.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1226589]In one of the sacks, the defender went straight for his knees and I don't know how that wasn't a flag.[/quote]

It shouldn't be, this is football. It was a clean hit in the pocket. The NFL needs to fix that QB BS. Cost us games last yr as well

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1226559]I knew he was no statue, but the dude really had some wheels! His biggest thing (and I'm not coach) is footwork. When his base was sound, he was throwing money balls.[/quote]

As a Buckeye's fan , this is what we saw . Just throws too many passes flatfooted . Really poised , smart young man , as he gets more reps / coaching as with learning the playbook , he should improve .

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Just finished working the game, Haskins on the run and throwing? Not very accurate, his 1st throw was awesome, the deep shot that was a fumble? BIG TIME NFL Throw. He runs well (like Ben did), but we do not want that to be a habit. OL was really bad, especially on tape.. Yikes. Not as bad as Miami's (Rosen had no help).

Baker Mayfield is fucking sick, but we all know that already.

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Dwayne had a 32 Grade for passing, his 2 INTs were the worst of the night along with Rosens. Very rough start but he did have a few great throws and picked up the speed well. The picks will come and go.

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Hard to judge Haskins since he was playing with a bunch of scrubs on the OL, same for Keenum. From what I saw, Haskins had some good and bad throws. Put the starters there I think and I think it be much better.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1226623]Hard to judge Haskins since he was playing with a bunch of scrubs on the OL, same for Keenum. From what I saw, Haskins had some good and bad throws. Put the starters there I think and I think it be much better.[/quote]Without a doubt. Guice and Peterson will help him a ton also. Really thinking we'll see more of the starters in the 2nd and 3rd preseason games. We sure need to.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1226589]In one of the sacks, the defender went straight for his knees and I don't know how that wasn't a flag.[/quote]

Cuz we're the Redskins

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I was more than satisfied with watching him play. Good mobility and can make all the throws. That's what elite arm talent looks like.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1226589]In one of the sacks, the defender went straight for his knees and I don't know how that wasn't a flag.[/quote]

Just watched that play again, it's a clean hit, defender wraps his arms in a conventional tackle, and the hit is initiated well above the knees. Foul is only when the hit is initiated at or underneath the knees. But that was scary.

At 3:10 : [url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001040266/article/dwayne-haskins-turns-in-upanddown-skins-debut[/url]

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He was up and down. Footwork was a little sloppy.The picks and the footwork gets better with reps. Start him next week with the starters and let him chuck it 25 times. Let him play through mistakes.

I keep saying it, Case and Colt are not 16 game starters. Get Haskins ready to start week one.

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I didn't see any problems that can't be fixed with practice reps and game experience.

I did see the arm strength and the mobility.

TL;DR: He needs time. Best case scenario Keenum holds it down for a year and we start Haskins in 2020.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1226623][B]Hard to judge Haskins since he was playing with a bunch of scrubs on the OL[/B], same for Keenum. From what I saw, Haskins had some good and bad throws. Put the starters there I think and I think it be much better.[/quote]

This is on the front office. Some of our backup o-linemen should be playing in Canada, cause they're not good enough to be on an NFL field. Parris and Flowers should not be in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1226643]I didn't see any problems that can't be fixed with practice reps and game experience.



I did see the arm strength and the mobility.



TL;DR: He needs time. Best case scenario Keenum holds it down for a year and we start Haskins in 2020.[/QUOTE]



I think we need to find out this year what we have in Haskins. He needs to play.



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Not that I ever would want Snyder to do this except this one time...lol. I wish he'd go into Gruden's office and tell him we're going with the rookie. It's going to be a rough beginning but we're playing for the future. Get him ready and give him all the 1st team reps.

It did Mayfield not one bit of good sitting behind Taylor. The Cards are starting Murray. Josh Allen, Wentz and Darnold all played early as rookies. Why should Haskins be any different?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1226650]Not that I ever would want Snyder to do this except this one time...lol. I wish he'd go into Gruden's office and tell him we're going with the rookie. It's going to be a rough beginning but we're playing for the future. Get him ready and give him all the 1st team reps.

It did Mayfield not one bit of good sitting behind Taylor. The Cards are starting Murray. Josh Allen, Wentz and Darnold all played early as rookies. Why should Haskins be any different?[/quote]First of all, don't put that past Snyder. Secondly, Mayfield had a heckuva lot more starting experience than Haskins. Haskins has few starts at the college level, yet alone at the NFL. Haskins needs to improve his footwork. Mayfield's fundamentals are superior to Haskins as rookies. Most rookies qbs do better not starting and observing year 1. I feel Haskins should be no exception to this.

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Good and bad for Haskins. He is an NFL rookie and played with back ups. He also played against scrubs. Two Interceptions and no touchdowns, not great but not the end of the world. The two picks were typical rookie QB mistakes although his first ever NFL pick was a pick 6.
Haskins is a work in progress. No question. That is not bad, he is young and inexperienced.
But at some point this preseason [B][U]if [/U][/B]Haskins [B]does not clearly demonstrate on the field and stat sheet that he has earned/won the the starting QB job over Keenum[/B], it will be interesting to see what the FO and coaches do. Will we start Keenum because he is better prepared at this point and gives us the better chance to win? Or will Haskins be given the position regardless of the play on the field, because Haskins was drafted high, he is the future and he will sell tickets?

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[quote=Defensewins;1226657]But at some point this preseason [B][U]if [/U][/B]Haskins [B]does not clearly demonstrate on the field and stat sheet that he has earned/won the the starting QB job over Keenum[/B], it will be interesting to see what the FO and coaches do. Will we start Keenum because he is better prepared at this point and gives us the better chance to win? Or will Haskins be given the position regardless of the play on the field, because Haskins was drafted high, he is the future and he will sell tickets?[/quote]Under this scenario, I think they'd start Keenum. Redskins nation is excited about Haskins, but am I the only one who feels there was more hype for RGIII? Haskins is going to be very good, no doubt, he just needs more experience. I do like Gruden with qbs and offense. I wanna see Keenum get a fair shake.

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I’d rather go 6-10 with Haskins than 8-8 with Colt or Case.


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[QUOTE=MTK;1226671]I’d rather go 6-10 with Haskins than 8-8 with Colt or Case.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Me too

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1226664]Under this scenario, I think they'd start Keenum. Redskins nation is excited about Haskins, [B]but am I the only one who feels there was more hype for RGIII[/B]? Haskins is going to be very good, no doubt, he just needs more experience. I do like Gruden with qbs and offense. I wanna see Keenum get a fair shake.[/quote]

Maybe this fan base learned a lesson about over hyping a rookie QB ? Chat échaudé craint l'eau chaude, a cat that got burnt is scared of hot water.

Plus there's this sense that Haskins is not ready right now, that the coaches know and say it, that we didn't get for RG3.

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RG3 wasn’t ready either, that’s why they designed an offense around what he could handle with the zone read and very easy one read passes off play action.


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[quote=Defensewins;1226657]Good and bad for Haskins. He is an NFL rookie and played with back ups. He also played against scrubs. Two Interceptions and no touchdowns, not great but not the end of the world. The two picks were typical rookie QB mistakes although his first ever NFL pick was a pick 6.
Haskins is a work in progress. No question. That is not bad, he is young and inexperienced.
But at some point this preseason [B][U]if [/U][/B]Haskins [B]does not clearly demonstrate on the field and stat sheet that he has earned/won the the starting QB job over Keenum[/B], it will be interesting to see what the FO and coaches do. Will we start Keenum because he is better prepared at this point and gives us the better chance to win? Or will Haskins be given the position regardless of the play on the field, because Haskins was drafted high, he is the future and he will sell tickets?[/quote]


What has Keenum done to earn the job? Neither he nor Colt from what we have heard are really doing much in practice.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1226674]Maybe this fan base learned a lesson about over hyping a rookie QB ? Chat échaudé craint l'eau chaude, a cat that got burnt is scared of hot water.

Plus there's this sense that Haskins is not ready right now, that the coaches know and say it, that we didn't get for RG3.[/quote]RGIII had a bigger college career than Haskins and a lot more experience. He was also a track star and very exciting. Sprinkle in the fact that he really wanted to be in DC, that's why the hype is real. Agree Haskins isn't ready now, but will be soon.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1226679]What has Keenum done to earn the job? Neither he nor Colt from what we have heard are really doing much in practice.[/quote]What has Colt or Haskins done to earn the job? McCoy can't stay healthy and has been a perennial backup his entire pro career. Keenum has far more experience and success and yes did take his team to the NFL title game in 2017. We know Haskins isn't ready and doesn't even have a lot of college starts despite all the talent. Keenum deserves a fair shake.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1226678]RG3 wasn’t ready either, that’s why they designed an offense around what he could handle with the zone read and very easy one read passes off play action.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Oh definitely, but every body, coaches and FO included, was overhyping him from day 1 following the draft. With Haskins they're more precautious.

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