The Haskins Thread
 

I hate to open 2 threads in one day, but I didn't really see any place this would fit better:

[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/16/dwayne-haskins-is-starting-to-show-a-lot-of-improvement-in-practice/[/url]

I think the beginning of the article is way over exaggerated, but if the like the positive info from Callahan.

He got all reps today with 1st team, as Case had a veteran's day off. Didn't know QBs got those. That seems weird.

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Son of a bitch. I put Threat in the name of the thread initially. I edited afterwards to put Thread, and it shows up as Thread on my post inside of the thread, but the actual subject name on the homepage stayed as Threat. My bad!! Please edit MTK if possible.

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Man I was hoping for a nice tinfoil thread here about Haskins.We don’t get enough of those...

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Pretty cool of Kurt[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191017/c175dc98725e8999d8ee74502020955a.jpg[/IMG]

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It’s a big positive that Callahan seems committed to giving Haskins reps...this is an improvement over Jay. I have a feeling after the bye Haskins starts the rest of season

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[quote=Chico23231;1234564]It’s a big positive that Callahan seems committed to giving Haskins reps...this is an improvement over Jay. I have a feeling after the bye Haskins starts the rest of season[/quote]

It's most likely a directive from the front office. Which is smart, in a lost season you have to find out what you have in the kid. We need to know whether QB is a problem we need to try to solve this offseason, or if we can move forward with Haskins.

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When I saw threat, considering all the rumors calling him entitled, not wanting to work hard, etc,etc, I figured he was demanding a trade if he wasn't named starter for the rest of the season. I think you just made click bait.

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[quote=Schneed10;1234571]It's most likely a directive from the front office. Which is smart, in a lost season you have to find out what you have in the kid. We need to know whether QB is a problem we need to try to solve this offseason, or if we can move forward with Haskins.[/quote]

Yup, it’s probably the most pressing goal for the rest of the season, finding out if Haskins has the talent we hoped.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1234563]Pretty cool of Kurt[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191017/c175dc98725e8999d8ee74502020955a.jpg[/IMG]

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Hopefully Haskins will accept Warner's offer.. Haskins needs to learn how to break down plays and defense from the QBs who have had success.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1234572]When I saw threat, considering all the rumors calling him entitled, [B]not wanting to work hard[/B], etc,etc, I figured he was demanding a trade if he wasn't named starter for the rest of the season. I think you just made click bait.[/quote]

I don't understand this narrative , the kid is always staying after practice working on footwork and throwing. He needs to mature yes but he's 22 lol he's still a kid

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I just hope they have worked on him protecting himself better before he is put back out on the field. Considering the O-line and our recent history with QB injuries that is a concern of mine. No reason to take an unnecessary hit when running on 3rd and long to get an extra 2 yards when it won't net a first down anyway. Just something I mostly saw in preseason games.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1234572]When I saw threat, considering all the rumors calling him entitled, not wanting to work hard, etc,etc, I figured he was demanding a trade if he wasn't named starter for the rest of the season. I think you just made click bait.[/quote]


[quote=skinsfaninok;1234577]I don't understand this narrative , the kid is always staying after practice working on footwork and throwing. He needs to mature yes but he's 22 lol he's still a kid[/quote]

I read that in more than one place. Could have been just anti Redskin writers posting crap. I am not familiar with the leanings of most sports writers. Bias doesn't register with me unless someone is over the top obnoxious like the Dan Lebatard types.

As an example of bias, I don't remember the writer, just that they were on the ESPN website. They were all over how bad it was for the Redskins to get Ha Ha Clinton Dix, then when the Bears picked him up they were praised for a great acquisition. Some of those guys just bad mouth the Redskins 24-7.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1234577]I don't understand this narrative , the kid is always staying after practice working on footwork and throwing. He needs to mature yes but he's 22 lol he's still a kid[/quote]

None of the local beat guys have anything negative to say about him. If you're talking about Lombardi's rant he's always had an axe to grind against the team, specifically Bruce Allen.

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[quote=MTK;1234598]None of the local beat guys have anything negative to say about him. If you're talking about Lombardi's rant he's always had an axe to grind against the team, specifically Bruce Allen.[/quote]

Folks on the national scene are going to exaggerate the dysfunction to get even more ratings (Lombardi, Florio, LaCanfora, etc., etc.). And given the team's history is easy for them to do this.

Not long ago Craig Hoffman had a rant about this on Twitter, talking about national reporters he never sees at Redskins park exaggerating a lot of the stuff they report.

It's like there is plenty dysfunction to report without needing to exaggerate things. But people do it anyway. Oh well, that's why I trust the local beat guys more than anything on the national level.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1234577]I don't understand this narrative , the kid is always staying after practice working on footwork and throwing. He needs to mature yes but he's 22 lol he's still a kid[/quote]

To be honest so was rg3. I don’t care about any of this. I only care about performing on the field.

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Callahan said today that he's putting in the work. Just put him in the damn game and see if he can play or not. Pittsburgh won a game with their 3rd string qb on the road. I don't get this at all.

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Problem with this Haskins situation is coming into this year Gruden needed to win games to save his job. He had zero motivation to get Haskins ready. Now with Callahan it's a similar situation, he knows if he can win some games the rest of the way he could have a shot at holding down the HC job for next year. So again, zero motivation to play Haskins until he feels he's able to come in and help win games.

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[quote=MTK;1234687]Problem with this Haskins situation is coming into this year Gruden needed to win games to save his job. He had zero motivation to get Haskins ready. Now with Callahan it's a similar situation, he knows if he can win some games the rest of the way he could have a shot at holding down the HC job for next year. So again, zero motivation to play Haskins until he feels he's able to come in and help win games.[/quote]

Agreed. At some point the team must just say the season is lost and it's time to play the rookies and see what they've got. I just wish Bruce Allen would show a modicum of talent by trying to trade some of the veterans who will be gone next year with a new HC. I don't care if we only get a sixth draft pick by trading someone like Colt McCoy or a cheeseburger for Morgan Moses (or the other way around). With the new HC, 30-40% of the team will be gone. Get something for them before Oct 29th. But then its Bruce Allen we're talking about.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1234687]Problem with this Haskins situation is coming into this year Gruden needed to win games to save his job. He had zero motivation to get Haskins ready. Now with Callahan it's a similar situation, he knows if he can win some games the rest of the way he could have a shot at holding down the HC job for next year. So again, zero motivation to play Haskins until he feels he's able to come in and help win games.[/QUOTE]



True if we had Fitz or some other journeyman that has shown they can catch fire for a limited time But Case is God awful. Ya can’t be worse.
If I needed to win just to save my job id put Haskins in. Case just is not working. Not even close. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

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Case Keenum had 50 yds of passing today. Haskins can’t beat that level of playing???? Most of the offense was Case handing off to AP. Dwayne can’t do that? The game was over when the 49ers started to put 8 in the box and daring Keenum to throw. He couldn’t do it and it was not just because of the OL. He just sucks as a QB.

Put Haskins in NOW!!


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[quote=Warthog;1234876]Case Keenum had 50 yds of passing today. Haskins can’t beat that level of playing???? Most of the offense was Case handing off to AP. Dwayne can’t do that? The game was over when the 49ers started to put 8 in the box and daring Keenum to throw. He couldn’t do it and it was not just because of the OL. He just sucks as a QB.

Put Haskins in NOW!!


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This

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IDK what they're waiting for. The season is over. Also what is the deal w/ Love? Can he come off IR?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1234885]IDK what they're waiting for. The season is over. Also what is the deal w/ Love? Can he come off IR?[/quote]

Saving Love for next season

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I guess they’re saving Trent Williams for next season also!! Lol


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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1234574]Yup, it’s probably the most pressing goal for the rest of the season, finding out if Haskins has the talent we hoped.[/QUOTE]



It is but with this team and staff around him it is really tough to judge. We would make Brady look mediocre.

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[quote=punch it in;1234910]It is but with this team and staff around him it is really tough to judge. We would make Brady look mediocre.[/quote]

All about experience at game speed. Strip down the pass plays and make it easier on him. U know a major called pass play mahomes runs in kc? He runs 3 and 4
Wr and te go routes from like 3 different formation...what’s hard about that? Go routes

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I’ve been on board with the Haskins threat from jump. Time to dumb shit down do the Rex grossman f it i’m Going deep to scary terry and hand off 35 times a game. Seriously we need to see what the kid has and if he doesn’t have it treat him like Arizona treated Rosen

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JP Finlay thinks that Haskins starts vs Buffalo depending on how case does against his old team. They don’t want to start Haskins on a short week.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1234936]JP Finlay thinks that Haskins starts vs Buffalo depending on how case does against his old team. They don’t want to start Haskins on a short week.[/QUOTE]



Only a jackass would pick a road game in a hostile cold AF environment with a really good defense to start their rookie quarterback.
If Im Haskins Im calling my agent right now and telling him i want nothing to do with this perennial dumpster fire, and nobody will blame him, because everyone knows it’s true. He should save his career, and do whatever it takes to get out of DC.
Also only a jackass would think Case Keenum might turn it around against his old team, his new team, his kids flag football team, or any other team. Dude is straight trash. Depending on how he does,..... [emoji23]

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Haskins is going to start against the Bills. Let case handle the short week and this would give Haskins a week plus for prepare for the Bills.

Haskins is 100% starting against the Bills. As he should.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1234945]Haskins is going to start against the Bills. Let case handle the short week and this would give Haskins a week plus for prepare for the Bills.



Haskins is 100% starting against the Bills. As he should.[/QUOTE]



At this point I think we can all agree the season is over right? It isn’t like Haskins is going to change that. So I am really curious why you think a cold road game in a hostile environment against a Defense ranked third in the league that had Tom Brady scrambling is a good game for Haskins to start?
Why not after the bye week against the Jets at home?

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[quote=punch it in;1234948]At this point I think we can all agree the season is over right? It isn’t like Haskins is going to change that. So I am really curious why you think a cold road game in a hostile environment against a Defense ranked third in the league that had Tom Brady scrambling is a good game for Haskins to start?
Why not after the bye week against the Jets at home?[/quote]

I was 100% percent thinking waiting until the bye was the best bet but current temperatures just feel like it may be moved up to the Bills game. Haskins would have a long week to prepare. I’m just glad he wasn’t put in prior to this 49ers-vikings short week period.

Waiting until the jets would be ideal but I think after the Vikings the noise would be defeaning and counter productive to ignore. The kid gets a long week to prepare a game earlier than ideal.

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I have never been on the "start Haskins" bandwagon because I don't think throwing someone into the fire when they're not ready preps them for long term success, no matter what their profession is.

But if Keenum shits the bed on Thursday and Callahan feels like Haskins has a solid base of plays he can run, then fuck it. But if he can't handle the basics (questionable given his Giants appearance) then this fan base is going to turn on him very quickly, and the odds he ends up being a wasted pick goes up. The only question we need to be asking at this point is what we can do to improve his odds of long term success, because he is one of the few beacons of hope we have in this wasted season. Just don't start him before he's ready.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1234952]I was 100% percent thinking waiting until the bye was the best bet but current temperatures just feel like it may be moved up to the Bills game. Haskins would have a long week to prepare. I’m just glad he wasn’t put in prior to this 49ers-vikings short week period.



Waiting until the jets would be ideal but I think after the Vikings the noise would be defeaning and counter productive to ignore. The kid gets a long week to prepare a game earlier than ideal.[/QUOTE]



Yeah but Buffalo is probably the toughest defense in the toughest environment we face this year. We have ignored the noise of ineptitude for twenty years, I can drown it out for one more game and give him the bye week and a much easier task at home. We will find out I guess.

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Every week this kid continues to sit on the bench the case builds on him being a bust or at the least a serious draft reach. Either way it’s not good. Another classic Snyder mistake.

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[quote=MTK;1234970]Every week this kid continues to sit on the bench the case builds on him being a bust or at the least a serious draft reach. Either way it’s not good. Another classic Snyder mistake.[/quote]

I don’t know about being a bust, all the experts praised the Redskins being patient, not moving up to get Haskins and loved Haskins. I think the fact that he started only 10 games in college might have something to do with it. I’m pretty sure he’ll start against Buffalo or the Jets, then we can see what we got.

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^ Yeah that was then, this is now. And the fact he can't get on the field with Case playing so poorly is really strange.

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[quote=MTK;1234978]^ Yeah that was then, this is now. And the fact he can't get on the field with Case playing so poorly is really strange.[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head. Case is playing terrible yet Haskins cant get on the field. Something must be seriously wrong with Haskins. In the old days you let players watch and learn. In the modern NFL players learn by doing and at some point Haskins has to sink or swim.

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[quote=MTK;1234970]Every week this kid continues to sit on the bench the case builds on him being a bust or at the least a serious draft reach. Either way it’s not good. Another classic Snyder mistake.[/quote]

I think that's already been pretty well established.

That's not to say Haskins will never amount to anything. He could very well develop into a great QB. But the evidence shows he's not even close to being ready to start and so it was clearly a mistake to take him at 15. This isn't really news. Everyone - including our own coaches and scouts - knew this before the draft.

I just hope we do not compound that mistake by passing on an elite QB prospect in 2020 if (when?) we end up with a top 3 pick.

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[quote=irish;1234979]You hit the nail on the head. Case is playing terrible yet Haskins cant get on the field. Something must be seriously wrong with Haskins. In the old days you let players watch and learn. In the modern NFL players learn by doing and at some point Haskins has to sink or swim.[/quote]

I don't think it means there is anything "wrong" with Haskins. He's a mid-round developmental QB that needs at least a year or two to develop. Our owner reached in a major way to grab with the 15th overall pick. The problem isn't necessarily Haskins - its that he was drafted well before he should have been, thereby setting unrealistic fan expectations.