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A lot of separate discussions on how we won or why we won or if we should have won or if Haskins is the answer or not, etc. Post here.

I'll take the W and I like Haskins.

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Give us an actual TE and replace Quinn with Sims and the offense is drastically upgraded.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1237708]A lot of separate discussions on how we won or why we won or if we should have won or if Haskins is the answer or not, etc. Post here.



I'll take the W and I like Haskins.[/QUOTE]The lack of a tight end is definitely noticeable.

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Quinn sucks, cut him after this season. I want the #2 pick so winning today did not really hurt much. Cincy will get the 1St pick.

Haskins was bad today but he did have 2 clutch drives to win so that is encouraging.

Guice isn't as explosive as I thought but maybe he will be eventually.

We need a TE BAD!!

Defense was avg

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Our rookies and second year players had a lot to do with this win even if it was ugly. Harmon, McLaurin, Sims, Haskins, Holcomb, Moreland, Sweat, Settle, SDH, etc. Bostic had a great game. Guice needs to start so that he can get into a rhythm and help Haskins.

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Thought the pass defense played really well...funny Norman was benched

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1237718]Thought the pass defense played really well...funny Norman was benched[/QUOTE]Dunbar is better anyway, Josh is washed

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[quote=Chico23231;1237718]Thought the pass defense played really well...funny Norman was benched[/quote]

Josh "BBQ Chicken" Norman

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1237716]Our rookies and second year players had a lot to do with this win even if it was ugly. Harmon, McLaurin, Sims, Haskins, Holcomb, Moreland, Sweat, Settle, SDH, etc. Bostic had a great game. Guice needs to start so that he can get into a rhythm and help Haskins.[/quote]

Agreed.

Not re-signing Bostic would be a huge mistake IMO. ILB was supposed to be a gaping hole this year and Holcomb and Bostic turned out to be a nice surprise.

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Not ready to crown anybody. But. It's a W. HTTR.

And I don't care about draft stock, it's a crap shoot anyway so losing a few spots doesn't outweigh building up [B]confidence[/B].

Which is what this team needs.
This defense just needs to [I][U]play with some juice[/U][/I] to produce at the level they should.
And this offense has some [I][U]young up and coming players[/U][/I] (Haskins, McLaurin, Harmon, Sims, Guice) who I'd like to [I][U]feel good about themselves[/U][/I] and themselves as Redskins players going into next season !

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1237724]Not ready to crown anybody. But. It's a W. HTTR.



And I don't care about draft stock, it's a crap shoot anyway so losing a few spots doesn't outweigh building up [B]confidence[/B].



Which is what this team needs.

This defense just needs to [I][U]play with some juice[/U][/I] to produce at the level they should.

And this offense has some [I][U]young up and coming players[/U][/I] (Haskins, McLaurin, Harmon, Sims, Guice) who I'd like to [I][U]feel good about themselves[/U][/I] and themselves as Redskins players going into next season ![/QUOTE]This is how I feel.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1237724]Not ready to crown anybody. But. It's a W. HTTR.



And I don't care about draft stock, it's a crap shoot anyway so losing a few spots doesn't outweigh building up [B]confidence[/B].



Which is what this team needs.

This defense just needs to [I][U]play with some juice[/U][/I] to produce at the level they should.

And this offense has some [I][U]young up and coming players[/U][/I] (Haskins, McLaurin, Harmon, Sims, Guice) who I'd like to [I][U]feel good about themselves[/U][/I] and themselves as Redskins players going into next season ![/QUOTE]



Do you think the team built confidence after they beat Miami? I think they got worse. I think they got so bad the wheels came off and they crashed and burned and ended up playing maybe the worse game they played this year just last week against the Jets. This game today was against a team whose defense is just as bad if not worse than Miami’s. With Stafford out their offense is worse too. I think they are going to get beat like a drum for the next five weeks. So forgive me if I am not buying into this being some sort of renaissance.
I hope Miami beats Cincy in a few weeks, and I hope Cincy drafts Burrows number one leaving us the chance to draft Chase Young. A generational talent.
As for Haskins who knows, it is too early to tell. But today he trended down imo.

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[quote=punch it in;1237728]Do you think the team built confidence after they beat Miami? I think they got worse. I think they got so bad the wheels came off and they crashed and burned and ended up playing maybe the worse game they played this year just last week against the Jets. This game today was against a team whose defense is just as bad if not worse than Miami’s. With Stafford out their offense is worse too. I think they are going to get beat like a drum for the next five weeks. So forgive me if I am not buying into this being some sort of renaissance.
I hope Miami beats Cincy in a few weeks, and I hope Cincy drafts Burrows number one leaving us the chance to draft Chase Young. A generational talent.
As for Haskins who knows, it is too early to tell. But today he trended down imo.[/quote]

I don't think it's a renaissance. This season is lost.

I just don't think we're building anything good for the future if all our players feel like shit about themselves and this team.

We have a young QB who could develop into a nice one, who's already showing signs of progress, we have 3 young promising WR, a potential young stud at RB, and a core of young defensive talent...

Plus the "win" against Miami really should have been a loss, and Haskins wasn't playing, it wasn't building anything.

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Meh. Yes, the youngsters are emerging, and there may be a few keepers. The WRs have promise, McLaurin still the standout. Haskins is green, needs the rest of the season to determine what our draft strategy will be. He’s got to stop the selfie BS. When TM hauled in another almost overthrown pass with time counting down, I thought Dwayne was going to go jump into the stands.

So, against another bad team, I’m not that impressed. When Bruce slips off Dan’s yacht and no one jumps in to save him, THAT will impress me.

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Nice to see the guys actually happy on the field. Been a long season, this win gives them a nice 1 week vacation from feeling like absolute crap bottom of the league. Being 1-9 must drive these players crazy as supreme hyper competitive athletes. They get a brief reprieve of that in their way to a hopefully 3-13 finish

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[quote=punch it in;1237728]Do you think the team built confidence after they beat Miami? I think they got worse. I think they got so bad the wheels came off and they crashed and burned and ended up playing maybe the worse game they played this year just last week against the Jets. This game today was against a team whose defense is just as bad if not worse than Miami’s. With Stafford out their offense is worse too. I think they are going to get beat like a drum for the next five weeks. So forgive me if I am not buying into this being some sort of renaissance.
I hope Miami beats Cincy in a few weeks, and I hope Cincy drafts Burrows number one leaving us the chance to draft Chase Young. A generational talent.
As for Haskins who knows, it is too early to tell. But today he trended down imo.[/quote]

Haskins will learn. You can't say he trended down, because he is being given more and taking more throws. As he gets the game speed reps, and first string practice, he will turn it around. I saw a guy who was controlling the game, taking shots, and getting the team going, especially with the game on the line in the 4th quarter. Yes it was the Lions, but those of us who wanted him to come in after the bye wanted it because it was a few games where he could get the feel of live game action against less tough opponents.

The core offense for the next 4 years is in it's embryonic stages, and with Callahan running it, it's very much in a run sheltered cocoon. But the whole point is to guide this young qb into a long term franchise qb. Not to have a miracle showing 3 games into his starting career.

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I think the overthrows are a concern but I wonder if it's just a case of him being overexcited. Hopefully with a little experience he'll settle in and start being accurate with his passes. If it's still happening a year from now I'll be highly concerned.

Also I think anybody who's upset about losing draft position is forgetting the draft is a crapshoot anyways. Having the first overall pick sounds sexy and exciting but I could care less what pick we have as long as we draft the best player available. It doesn't matter if the best player is a guy we don't need, because A. we have needs at every position on the roster, and B. the roster is a fluid situation where needs can change in a single play. Did anybody predict the Redskins would lose their top 2 TE's to the vast majority of the season? Reed yes, I don't think anyone saw Vernon Davis losing his entire season to a concussion though.

I'm happy we got the win, I'm happy Haskins and all our other young guys can enjoy this for a week, and I bet with the big stink over him missing the victory formation it'll be the last time he ever does that.

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Haskins said that he played the game with a hurt wrist and that was a problem on some of the missed throws. Doesn’t provide more info on the wrist, says “I’m good.”

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1237735]Haskins will learn. You can't say he trended down, because he is being given more and taking more throws. As he gets the game speed reps, and first string practice, he will turn it around. I saw a guy who was controlling the game, taking shots, and getting the team going, especially with the game on the line in the 4th quarter. Yes it was the Lions, but those of us who wanted him to come in after the bye wanted it because it was a few games where he could get the feel of live game action against less tough opponents.



The core offense for the next 4 years is in it's embryonic stages, and with Callahan running it, it's very much in a run sheltered cocoon. But the whole point is to guide this young qb into a long term franchise qb. Not to have a miracle showing 3 games into his starting career.[/QUOTE]



Can we stop acting like Haskins is a converted wide receiver learning a new position?
The guy was 13 for 29 with an int against the worst pass d in football. Last week he attempted 35 throws so no he wasn’t given more or taking more. He wasn’t controlling the game either c red. Maybe one day he will be but not today. Not even close. Dont kelly ann conway me about what I saw today. Please. I can say he trended down because he did. He played better against the Jets than he did today. Quarterback play was absolutely atrocious this week, and last week it was bad. Just bad. That is called trending down. You can spin it and sugar coat it anyway you would like.

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[quote=punch it in;1237741]Can we stop acting like Haskins is a converted wide receiver learning a new position?
The guy was 13 for 29 with an int against the worst pass d in football. Last week he attempted 35 throws so no he wasn’t given more or taking more. He wasn’t controlling the game either c red. Maybe one day he will be but not today. Not even close. Dont kelly ann conway me about what I saw today. Please. I can say he trended down because he did. He played better against the Jets than he did today. Quarterback play was absolutely atrocious this week, and last week it was bad. Just bad. That is called trending down. You can spin it and sugar coat it anyway you would like.[/quote]

Why don’t we wait and see how he does against the Panthers on the road. it’s only his 3rd start, Harmon is starting to contribute making 2 WR that can contribute, lack of TE position is killing us.

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I mean for fuck sake everyone on this board has been saying the same thing every week this year. Dumpster fire. Fuck Bruce Allen and the “we are close “ bullshit. Etc etc.
Now, because we beat the Lions WITHOUT STAFFORD, we suddenly have this young core of studs. We are Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin in the early stages?
NEWS FLASH.
Next year Snyder and Bruce will be here. We have no coaching staff (not a real one). No second round pick. A shit ton of holes which ABSOLUTELY VERY WELL MIGHT STILL INCLUDE QUARTERBACK. A shit ton of work to do with overpaid veterans, and I am supposed to suddenly feel great about this fucking dumpster fire organization because we slipped past the Lions with their back up quarterback (cant even remember his name) for our second squeaker of a win this season?
With all due respect GTFOH with this shit. We are the same fucking terrible disgusting team we were 7 days ago. But by all means continue dumping the kool aid all over yourselves and popping confetti cannons off.
I want to be able to watch football and root for my team again as much as anyone. I want them to complete as much as anyone. Forgive me though if I wait to see real signs of progress before I buy in again. Because what happened today was one really terrible team barely beating another really terrible team who would have kicked the other terrible teams ass if their quarterback wasn’t hurt. The end.

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[quote=punch it in;1237741]Can we stop acting like Haskins is a converted wide receiver learning a new position?
The guy was 13 for 29 with an int against the worst pass d in football. Last week he attempted 35 throws so no he wasn’t given more or taking more. He wasn’t controlling the game either c red. Maybe one day he will be but not today. Not even close. Dont kelly ann conway me about what I saw today. Please. I can say he trended down because he did. He played better against the Jets than he did today. Quarterback play was absolutely atrocious this week, and last week it was bad. Just bad. That is called trending down. You can spin it and sugar coat it anyway you would like.[/quote]

In the previous 5 games the Lions defense had given up an average QB rating of 125. Haskins got a 47.5 against them.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237718]Thought the pass defense played really well...funny Norman was benched[/quote]

Even funnier the second we take 6'0" Moreau and put him outside he gets two interceptions

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1237743]Why don’t we wait and see how he does against the Panthers on the road. it’s only his 3rd start, Harmon is starting to contribute making 2 WR that can contribute, lack of TE position is killing us.[/QUOTE]



SF i hope he absolutely kills it next week, and as far as Im concerned we can wait all of next year while someone, not sure who because as of right now he doesn’t even exist, builds a team around him. We can wait the year after that too, while Mr Someone continues to add pieces around him to help him, not just players but coaches, because we actually need all of that.
I 100 percent mean that. Shit Ive waited over twenty years. Im numb to this shit. I sincerely mean it when i say give Haskins two more full years before we actually know what we have. Although since it is the Redskins we need a GM and coaching staff too so....
But all that aside, lets play devils advocate and say we get a GM, and HC , OC in place to maximize this team and Haskins - I will sit and wait two more or three more years for the rebuild. Guice. Lets do this. McLaurin and Harmon come on boys. Payne, Allen, Dunbar, lets go.
Today though? Haskins was straight trash against the worst pass D in the game.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1237744]I mean for fuck sake everyone on this board has been saying the same thing every week this year. Dumpster fire. Fuck Bruce Allen and the “we are close “ bullshit. Etc etc.
Now, because we beat the Lions WITHOUT STAFFORD, we suddenly have this young core of studs. We are Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin in the early stages?
NEWS FLASH.
Next year Snyder and Bruce will be here. We have no coaching staff (not a real one). No second round pick. A shit ton of holes which ABSOLUTELY VERY WELL MIGHT STILL INCLUDE QUARTERBACK. A shit ton of work to do with overpaid veterans, and I am supposed to suddenly feel great about this fucking dumpster fire organization because we slipped past the Lions with their back up quarterback (cant even remember his name) for our second squeaker of a win this season?
With all due respect GTFOH with this shit. We are the same fucking terrible disgusting team we were 7 days ago. But by all means continue dumping the kool aid all over yourselves and popping confetti cannons off.
I want to be able to watch football and root for my team again as much as anyone. I want them to complete as much as anyone. Forgive me though if I wait to see real signs of progress before I buy in again. Because what happened today was one really terrible team barely beating another really terrible team who would have kicked the other terrible teams ass if their quarterback wasn’t hurt. The end.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah we're definitely the same dumpster fire we were last week. And I don't think anybody is feeling great about the team after this game.

Just saying I'll take the ugly win over another embarrassing loss, and I don't think it hurt the team's future one bit.

We do need new coaching staff (likely) and new FO (unlikely), and this roster has needs. But I still think this team is playing well underneath it's talent level, and I think, especially for the young guys, a short win is a better step towards playing well than another ridiculously ugly loss.

Plus, for the purpose of trying to recruit a competent/decent HC, I'd rather have candidates think "they're not close, but this roster has some young talent, this McLaurin is a stud, Harmon and Sims are exciting, and Haskins might turn into a somewhat decent QB" than "man this roster has been so poorly built I want no part of it whatsoever".

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1237746]Even funnier the second we take 6'0" Moreau and pit him outside he gets two interceptions[/quote]

He's never looked comfortable in the slot...never.

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The Josh Norman days are over in D.C and it's time. Start the young guys all over and see what u got.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237754]He's never looked comfortable in the slot...never.[/quote]

Nope, and it took 2 years to realize that

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I don't understand why Sims isn't your starting slot WR. Stop putting him in motion and running him behind the RB. How about put him in motion and throw him the damn ball? Get him in space. Can he not catch? What's the deal there???

I really think we have something w/ Sims, McLaurin, Guice and Harmon.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1237743]Why don’t we wait and see how he does against the Panthers on the road. it’s only his 3rd start, Harmon is starting to contribute making 2 WR that can contribute, lack of TE position is killing us.[/QUOTE]



Why do we “have to wait and see” at all? What’s wrong with expressing an option every week based on what we’ve seen throughout the season up until that week?

Haskins has not been good at all - so far. Maybe he will get better or maybe he won’t, but his accuracy has been absolutely terrible. He’s missed wide open guys on easy throws so many times. There have been reports about his work ethic all season, but that has supposedly improved some. And then the selfie thing. For every positive thing we see with Haskins, there are atleast 3 negatives.

So far, he appears to be exactly what experts thought he’d be coming into the draft - a long term project. We probably should not expect anything worthwhile from him for a couple years. Whether the team can endure starting him for multiple years as he develops remains to be seen. Is his potential worth tanking for 1-2 more years after this?

Hopefully the next head coach makes the right call (not sure what that is yet) on whether to keep going with Haskins or move in another direction.


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1237786]Why do we “have to wait and see” at all? What’s wrong with expressing an option every week based on what we’ve seen throughout the season up until that week?

Haskins has not been good at all - so far. Maybe he will get better or maybe he won’t, but his accuracy has been absolutely terrible. He’s missed wide open guys on easy throws so many times. There have been reports about his work ethic all season, but that has supposedly improved some. And then the selfie thing. For every positive thing we see with Haskins, there are atleast 3 negatives.

So far, he appears to be exactly what experts thought he’d be coming into the draft - a long term project. We probably should not expect anything worthwhile from him for a couple years. Whether the team can endure starting him for multiple years as he develops remains to be seen. Is his potential worth tanking for 1-2 more years after this?

Hopefully the next head coach makes the right call (not sure what that is yet) on whether to keep going with Haskins or move in another direction.


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Said it several times already, Haskins is a rarity. There are very few quarterbacks that have so much success in college with so few starts. So yes he is on a learning curve. Couple that with the fact that our o line is terrible in pass pro. Brandon Sherrf where are you? I want Chase Young to be a Redskin so bad, but I honestly wouldn’t mind if they spent every freaking pick on o line, and plucked a couple out of free agency.
Haskins development is an issue along with the line, but the biggest problem is BA and DS running the show. We will never ever build a team around Haskins (if he even pans out) with them at the helm.

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Quinton Dunbar has an 89.9 coverage grade this season.

That is ridiculous!

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1237793]Said it several times already, Haskins is a rarity. There are very few quarterbacks that have so much success in college with so few starts. So yes he is on a learning curve. Couple that with the fact that our o line is terrible in pass pro. Brandon Sherrf where are you? I want Chase Young to be a Redskin so bad, but I honestly wouldn’t mind if they spent every freaking pick on o line, and plucked a couple out of free agency.
Haskins development is an issue along with the line, but the biggest problem is BA and DS running the show. We will never ever build a team around Haskins (if he even pans out) with them at the helm.[/QUOTE]Defense and a top shelf oline is exactly the way to go.

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So I agree with most of you here regarding yesterday, you can search all you want for positives regarding Haskins, but I just don't see many yet...and the selfies while the game is still going on to me is just ridiculous, especially for a rookie. Grow up. But the biggest takeaway for me, is another empty stadium with a lot of opposing team fans, and tix going for $5....this HAS to be an embarrassment to Snyder right?? He grew up loving the team as we have and they've never experienced this kind of shame in his lifetime to my knowledge, so he HAS to know and realize that he and Bruce have done this...right??? Please someone give me an ounce of hope that he'll change something this offseason....

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Some of you need to just relax and enjoy a win. Sure it was sloppy, sure Haskins didn't play that well, But when crunch time came we one the game over a crappy team. I enjoyed seeing our players jumping up and down like they just won the SB. As a bonus I then watched the Cowboys get beat. We have some young players that look promising.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237797]Quinton Dunbar has an 89.9 coverage grade this season.

That is ridiculous![/quote]

I really hope we will be able to retain him after his contract expires next year.

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#17 is a monster

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[quote=GridIron26;1237804]I really hope we will be able to retain him after his contract expires next year.[/quote]

Renew his ass immediately.

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[quote=GridIron26;1237804]I really hope we will be able to retain him after his contract expires next year.[/quote]

Extend him, schreff and Roullier after the season