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I think there was a lot to like about this game:

1) We lost, and moved one step closer to [I][U]Bruce Allen finally losing his job.[/U][/I]

2) We were [I][U]competitive[/U][/I]. Even if I never had the feeling we were going to come back, it was a one possession game most of the time, and ended up being a 5 points game.

3) Taking the 2 TDs drives early in the game, [I][U]defense played[/U][/I] well (also got lucky a couple of times). Got a couple of nice key stops. [I][U]They didn't collapse at the end of the game[/U][/I] like they've got used to either.

4) [I][U]Running game[/U][/I] still looking good.

5) [I][U]Young receivers[/U][/I] continuing to look promising.

7) [I][U]Haskins[/U][/I] didn't have a good game, but he still made a couple of nice throws, I think he's on the right path,[I][U] accuracy is no where near as bad as it was[/U][/I] against the Lions.


Couple of things I didn't like:

1) [I][U]Moreau is not good[/U][/I], we need a CB next season.

2) [I][U]Haskins[/U][/I] still has a lot to work on, [I][U]hangs on to the ball[/U][/I] and took sacks when he had time to get rid of the ball.

3) [I][U]Guice[/U][/I] being hurt again.

4) [I][U]Pass protection [/U][/I]didn't look good at times.


[U]Overall[/U] I'd say this game was a highlight of what I've been thinking for a while: [B]this roster has got talent, we desperately need new coaches.[/B]

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Your #4 like is kind of a moot point with your #3 dislike of Guice getting hurt again.

#7, right path?, please explain. In 5 starts his best net passing yards in a game was 171. He is averaging 137 net passing yards a game. Look at his game to game stat lines, they pretty much look identical. If he is improving why isn't it resulting in more productivity? The team is more competitive due to the running game and defense, not Haskins.

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I don't understand how Bruce Allen is so bad?I'm asking...he brought in rg3,who could have been a hall of famer if he didn't try to take on haloti knata head on.he had LT Williams....he brought in TE Reed(prowbowler)...Alex Smith,who was 6and 3...he got hol Peterson,and guice...he tried his luck on Haskins....and the verdict is still out...and on defense,there's a lot of positive..it's not Bruce Allen's fault all these players hot hurt or quit on the team.and it's not his fault the coaches are so horrible..gruden looked promising in Cincinnati...and lady,it's nothid fault Dan Snyder meddles with the team...after all,he is the owner...

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239007]I don't understand how Bruce Allen is so bad?I'm asking...he brought in rg3,who could have been a hall of famer if he didn't try to take on haloti knata head on.he had LT Williams....he brought in TE Reed(prowbowler)...Alex Smith,who was 6and 3...he got hol Peterson,and guice...he tried his luck on Haskins....and the verdict is still out...and on defense,there's a lot of positive..it's not Bruce Allen's fault all these players hot hurt or quit on the team.and it's not his fault the coaches are so horrible..gruden looked promising in Cincinnati...and lady,it's nothid fault Dan Snyder meddles with the team...after all,he is the owner...

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Man, I tried to make sense of this but I gave up after the part where you don't understand how Bruce Allen is so bad.

I'm gonna make this simple: In 10 years under Allen's leadership, we have 2 playoff appearances (no wins) and a below .400 winning percentage. That's so terrible at any other gig he'd have been fired 5 years ago.

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239007]I don't understand how Bruce Allen is so bad?I'm asking...he brought in rg3,who could have been a hall of famer if he didn't try to take on haloti knata head on.he had LT Williams....he brought in TE Reed(prowbowler)...Alex Smith,who was 6and 3...he got hol Peterson,and guice...he tried his luck on Haskins....and the verdict is still out...and on defense,there's a lot of positive..it's not Bruce Allen's fault all these players hot hurt or quit on the team.and it's not his fault the coaches are so horrible..gruden looked promising in Cincinnati...and lady,it's nothid fault Dan Snyder meddles with the team...after all,he is the owner...

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How are you and Bruce related?

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He brought back jo Gibbs !and we still didn't come close!does Bruce Allen play for the Redskins?does he coach them?he gives these upcoming coaches what they ask for....but "they' fail...so you think bringing in Joe Gibbs was a mistake?what about Steve Spurrier?...after all those wins in FSU?

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239007]I don't understand how Bruce Allen is so bad?I'm asking...he brought in rg3,who could have been a hall of famer if he didn't try to take on haloti knata head on.he had LT Williams....he brought in TE Reed(prowbowler)...Alex Smith,who was 6and 3...he got hol Peterson,and guice...he tried his luck on Haskins....and the verdict is still out...and on defense,there's a lot of positive..it's not Bruce Allen's fault all these players hot hurt or quit on the team.and it's not his fault the coaches are so horrible..gruden looked promising in Cincinnati...and lady,it's nothid fault Dan Snyder meddles with the team...after all,he is the owner...

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Bruce, is that you??

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239011]He brought back jo Gibbs !and we still didn't come close!does Bruce Allen play for the Redskins?does he coach them?he gives these upcoming coaches what they ask for....but "they' fail...so you think bringing in Joe Gibbs was a mistake?what about Steve Spurrier?...after all those wins in FSU?

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Well, the first part of your argument is that Bruce Allen brought back Joe Gibbs (he didn't).

Also, if Bruce is paying guys to defend him on message boards now I want in. My resume and ability to type better speaks for itself. Bring me in Bruce, you won't regret it!

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[quote=mooby;1239014]Well, the first part of your argument is that Bruce Allen brought back Joe Gibbs (he didn't).

Also, if Bruce is paying guys to defend him on message boards now I want in. My resume and ability to type better speaks for itself. Bring me in Bruce, you won't regret it![/quote]

These types of posts are all over the place on message boards as well as twitter. The redskins subreddit had screen grabs of posts that were made from what was believed to be Bruce's burner accounts or people being paid by Bruce. Most of the posts were like this, talking about how Bruce is actually doing a good job all things considered. Hard to imagine any real skins fan actually arguing in favor of Bruce and keeping him here.

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239007]I don't understand how Bruce Allen is so bad?I'm asking...he brought in rg3,who could have been a hall of famer if he didn't try to take on haloti knata head on.he had LT Williams....he brought in TE Reed(prowbowler)...Alex Smith,who was 6and 3...he got hol Peterson,and guice...he tried his luck on Haskins....and the verdict is still out...and on defense,there's a lot of positive..it's not Bruce Allen's fault all these players hot hurt or quit on the team.and it's not his fault the coaches are so horrible..gruden looked promising in Cincinnati...and lady,it's nothid fault Dan Snyder meddles with the team...after all,he is the owner...

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Bruce- You can get a laundry list from any fan in Fedex.

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As much as you hate Bruce...he will be there next year,and the next,and the next... sorry

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239020]As much as you hate Bruce...he will be there next year,and the next,and the next... sorry

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That's exactly the kind of irrefutable evidence I needed to convince me.

Thanks Bruce!

P.S. I'm still available for hire if you need me. I'll sell my account too, 50 large should do it.

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[quote=mooby;1239014]Well, the first part of your argument is that Bruce Allen brought back Joe Gibbs (he didn't).

Also, if Bruce is paying guys to defend him on message boards now I want in. My resume and ability to type better speaks for itself. Bring me in Bruce, you won't regret it![/quote]

Yea, not only that, you can even do it in a sufficiently ambiguous way so that it could be a compliment, but it really isn't. For example:

-- It's really hard to overstate what Bruce Allen has meant to this franchise.

-- Bruce, with all of his talent, should go far.

-- Bruce's contributions may be unique throughout the league.

-- Bruce has really made a name for himself among the agents and players throughout the NFL.

-- Bruce Allen's name, season after season, as on the tip of the tongue of every die hard Redskins fan.

You get the idea. Endless possibilities to (a) make money, and (b) speak the truth.

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239020]As much as you hate Bruce...he will be there next year,and the next,and the next... sorry

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Yeah, you don't sound sorry. Bruce.

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239020]As much as you hate Bruce...he will be there next year,and the next,and the next... sorry

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Sorry for the Redskins organization, there will be near zero fans left if DS doesn't change his approach of bringing in useful idiots to manage the Skins.

If Allen is still here at the start of the year, the Skins might as well start planning to move to England.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239006]Your #4 like is kind of a moot point with your #3 dislike of Guice getting hurt again.

#7, right path?, please explain. In 5 starts his best net passing yards in a game was 171. He is averaging 137 net passing yards a game. Look at his game to game stat lines, they pretty much look identical. If he is improving why isn't it resulting in more productivity? The team is more competitive due to the running game and defense, not Haskins.[/quote]

About the running game, you're right but that was sort of an individual game take, and I do think the OL did a good job of opening lanes. Run blocking has been better the last couple of games.

About Haskins, he didn't have a good game, last week was better. But I do think stats don't tell the whole story. Looking at him, I think he's making some throws now that he didn't make the first 2 games (ie [URL="https://www.redskins.com/video/haskins-finds-wide-open-kelvin-harmon-to-bring-redskins-into-the-red-zone"]this 3rd down throw to Harmon in between zones[/URL]).
With him I've gone from very concerned to he's a rookie with very few starting experience in college, let's see how he develops when the game slows down for him. And my biggest early concern being awful accuracy, I do think he's taking steps in the right direction on that matter.

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239007]I don't understand how Bruce Allen is so bad?I'm asking...he brought in rg3,who could have been a hall of famer if he didn't try to take on haloti knata head on.he had LT Williams....he brought in TE Reed(prowbowler)...Alex Smith,who was 6and 3...he got hol Peterson,and guice...he tried his luck on Haskins....and the verdict is still out...and on defense,there's a lot of positive..it's not Bruce Allen's fault all these players hot hurt or quit on the team.and it's not his fault the coaches are so horrible..gruden looked promising in Cincinnati...and lady,it's nothid fault Dan Snyder meddles with the team...after all,he is the owner...

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I agree. I think now would be a good time to highlight and honor BA's time with us:

Cousins. TW. Scherff (he's as good as gone). Letting the Shanahans, McVay, LaFleur go. Keeping and extending Gruden. Enabling and encouraging the owner to interfere on draft day. 2 playoffs "trips". 0 playoffs wins.

What am I missing M. President ?

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I'll just leave this here for those still not convinced Bruce is a failure

Allen was hired late in the 2009 season, saying: “I like urgency. I like doing things sooner than later.” Starting with the next fall, the Redskins have a 62-94-1 regular season record under Allen, their .398 winning percentage the fifth worst in the NFL over that span. They also have the NFL’s fifth-worst point differential (minus-611) since 2010. Only the Oakland Raiders (62-95), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (58-99), Jacksonville Jaguars (49-108) and Cleveland Browns (42-114-1) have worse records and point differentials over that span. All four of those teams have more wins in 2019, too.

The Redskins have finished over .500 three times in Allen’s 10 seasons, with just one campaign, 2012, producing 10 wins or more. Washington has just two playoff appearances over the past decade, both of which ended with losses in the wild-card round. Three-fourths of the league’s teams, 24 of 32, have at least one playoff win since 2010, and only five franchises other than Washington have two or fewer playoff appearances.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/10/bruce-allens-redskins-tenure-has-been-failure-by-almost-any-measurement/[/url]

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239011]He brought back jo Gibbs !and we still didn't come close!does Bruce Allen play for the Redskins?does he coach them?he gives these upcoming coaches what they ask for....but "they' fail...so you think bringing in Joe Gibbs was a mistake?what about Steve Spurrier?...after all those wins in FSU?

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Spurrier didn't have a lot of wins with FSU

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1239051]Spurrier didn't have a lot of wins with FSU[/quote]

I remember when Spurrier was the 49ers back up QB and their punter. That was a while ago.

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[quote=calia;1239022]Yea, not only that, you can even do it in a sufficiently ambiguous way so that it could be a compliment, but it really isn't. For example:

-- It's really hard to overstate what Bruce Allen has meant to this franchise.

-- Bruce, with all of his talent, should go far.

-- Bruce's contributions may be unique throughout the league.

-- Bruce has really made a name for himself among the agents and players throughout the NFL.

-- Bruce Allen's name, season after season, as on the tip of the tongue of every die hard Redskins fan.

You get the idea. Endless possibilities to (a) make money, and (b) speak the truth.[/quote]

Brilliant post! Bruce should hire you to lead his misinformation campaign.

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[quote=MTK;1239042]I'll just leave this here for those still not convinced Bruce is a failure

Allen was hired late in the 2009 season, saying: “I like urgency. I like doing things sooner than later.” Starting with the next fall, the Redskins have a 62-94-1 regular season record under Allen, their .398 winning percentage the fifth worst in the NFL over that span. They also have the NFL’s fifth-worst point differential (minus-611) since 2010. Only the Oakland Raiders (62-95), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (58-99), Jacksonville Jaguars (49-108) and Cleveland Browns (42-114-1) have worse records and point differentials over that span. All four of those teams have more wins in 2019, too.

The Redskins have finished over .500 three times in Allen’s 10 seasons, with just one campaign, 2012, producing 10 wins or more. Washington has just two playoff appearances over the past decade, both of which ended with losses in the wild-card round. Three-fourths of the league’s teams, 24 of 32, have at least one playoff win since 2010, and only five franchises other than Washington have two or fewer playoff appearances.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/10/bruce-allens-redskins-tenure-has-been-failure-by-almost-any-measurement/[/url][/quote]


There is no way to go but up but that starts with firing BA

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For a team that LOVES to "win in the offseason" and is always looking for a PR win, I don't know how they do not see the potential of a Bruce Allen firing as a way to create buzz around the team and have a PR win with the fans.

Hell, I bet if he were to be fired tomorrow, attendance at the next game would increase just by that action alone.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1239056]Brilliant post! Bruce should hire you to lead his misinformation campaign.[/quote]

I'd take the job only out of allegiance to this crowd, and I would promise more quotes like, "Bruce's longevity in the league is simply astounding" to drive home the point. Really, the possibilities are endless.

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[quote=calia;1239077]I'd take the job only out of allegiance to this crowd, and I would promise more quotes like, "Bruce's longevity in the league is simply astounding" to drive home the point. Really, the possibilities are endless.[/quote]

You really nailed it but I'm also gonna fight for the job.

Bruce has a track record of multiple playoff appearances and the pedigree of having a Hall of Fame coach for a dad.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1239088]You really nailed it but I'm also gonna fight for the job.



Bruce has a track record of multiple playoff appearances and the pedigree of having a Hall of Fame coach for a dad.[/QUOTE]Bruce Allen counted to infinity. Twice.




(And still didn't have a playoff win).

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1239038]About the running game, you're right but that was sort of an individual game take, and I do think the OL did a good job of opening lanes. Run blocking has been better the last couple of games.

About Haskins, he didn't have a good game, last week was better. But I do think stats don't tell the whole story. Looking at him, I think he's making some throws now that he didn't make the first 2 games (ie [URL="https://www.redskins.com/video/haskins-finds-wide-open-kelvin-harmon-to-bring-redskins-into-the-red-zone"]this 3rd down throw to Harmon in between zones[/URL]).
With him I've gone from very concerned to he's a rookie with very few starting experience in college, let's see how he develops when the game slows down for him. And my biggest early concern being awful accuracy, I do think he's taking steps in the right direction on that matter.[/quote]

Forgot to link [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/04/one-metric-says-dwayne-haskins-is-playing-well-another-says-hes-been-terrible-heres-why/?arc404=true"]this article[/URL] about Haskins receiving the second highest PFF passer grade during the Panthers game. We can discuss the grading systems all we want. My point is stats don't tell the whole story, and he's not nearly as bad as he was 3 weeks ago.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1239118]Forgot to link [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/04/one-metric-says-dwayne-haskins-is-playing-well-another-says-hes-been-terrible-heres-why/?arc404=true"]this article[/URL] about Haskins receiving the second highest PFF passer grade during the Panthers game. We can discuss the grading systems all we want. My point is stats don't tell the whole story, and he's not nearly as bad as he was 3 weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Who graded his performance and what familiarity do they have with his reads and checks?

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[quote=MTK;1239042]I'll just leave this here for those still not convinced Bruce is a failure

Allen was hired late in the 2009 season, saying: “I like urgency. I like doing things sooner than later.” Starting with the next fall, the Redskins have a 62-94-1 regular season record under Allen, their .398 winning percentage the fifth worst in the NFL over that span. They also have the NFL’s fifth-worst point differential (minus-611) since 2010. Only the Oakland Raiders (62-95), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (58-99), Jacksonville Jaguars (49-108) and Cleveland Browns (42-114-1) have worse records and point differentials over that span. All four of those teams have more wins in 2019, too.

The Redskins have finished over .500 three times in Allen’s 10 seasons, with just one campaign, 2012, producing 10 wins or more. Washington has just two playoff appearances over the past decade, both of which ended with losses in the wild-card round. Three-fourths of the league’s teams, 24 of 32, have at least one playoff win since 2010, and only five franchises other than Washington have two or fewer playoff appearances.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/10/bruce-allens-redskins-tenure-has-been-failure-by-almost-any-measurement/[/url][/quote]

Great...I have been watching a lot of bad football for over a decade.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1239154]Who graded his performance and what familiarity do they have with his reads and checks?

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I have no idea, this is why I said we can discuss their grading system all we want. I don't know exactly how relevant it is, but I don't think it's completely irrelevant either. Just speaks to Haskins not being the complete hopeless bust we could have thought he was the first 2 games.

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we can’t go into next year with Haskins as our only option ...

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[quote=rocnrik;1239167]we can’t go into next year with Haskins as our only option ...[/quote]

I'm disappointed I scrolled all the way to the bottom of the thread just to read this. Are you suggesting we bring in someone new to make Haskins compete for the job?

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1239167]we can’t go into next year with Haskins as our only option ...[/QUOTE]



Oh we can, and we will


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I don't see them drafting another QB, I'd say Haskins/Keenum will be your 2020 QBs again

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1239020]As much as you hate Bruce...he will be there next year,and the next,and the next... sorry

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dude get off this site im 52 years old and know way more football than you will ever know ,you are so out of touch and delusional

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1239185]I don't see them drafting another QB, I'd say Haskins/Keenum will be your 2020 QBs again[/quote]

Keenum is on a 1 year deal and I’m not sure he wants to come back here.. all I’m saying is we will not land a top coach that will be told he HAS to start Haskins .. so what other options are out there ??

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1239156]I have no idea, this is why I said we can discuss their grading system all we want. I don't know exactly how relevant it is, but I don't think it's completely irrelevant either. Just speaks to Haskins not being the complete hopeless bust we could have thought he was the first 2 games.

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Cooley discussed their grading system on his pod today episode 94.

He complimented pff for all of the analytics and stats they measure, then said their grades are worthless.

He is a company man, ripping the grading system that was the only outlet who rated Haskins as remotely positive.

A few years ago, Trent received a negative grade from pff for the same game Cooley said coaches should show film of to demonstrate how to play tackle.

I don't have any faith in the reliability of their grading system but to each his own.

FYI, my neighbor James graded him out at a 68. He watches football all the time...

You now have more info for how I viewed his performance than you do from pff.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1239185]I don't see them drafting another QB, I'd say Haskins/Keenum will be your 2020 QBs again[/quote]

If A Smith isn't a backup QB option next year, I see them bringing in a Veteran for that job. However, I can definitely see them drafting another QB if he's the BPA at the time. Not likely in the first 2-3 rounds, but after that, yeah.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1239239]Cooley discussed their grading system on his pod today episode 94.

He complimented pff for all of the analytics and stats they measure, then said their grades are worthless.

He is a company man, ripping the grading system that was the only outlet who rated Haskins as remotely positive.

A few years ago, Trent received a negative grade from pff for the same game Cooley said coaches should show film of to demonstrate how to play tackle.

I don't have any faith in the reliability of their grading system but to each his own.

FYI, my neighbor James graded him out at a 68. He watches football all the time...

You now have more info for how I viewed his performance than you do from pff.

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I'll listen to Cooley on that. I remember Cooley ripping PFF's grading system.

Just to be clear, [B]I am 100% sure that Haskins was NOT the second best QB in the league[/B] when he was awarded this grade, not even close, not even top half of the league. I just thought, let's say their grading system is 80% worthless and 20% accurate, it'd still be an indication Haskins did things better, things they saw and based their inaccurate and flawed grade on.

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I am still trying to figure out what is PO talk?