Chase Young or Three First Round Picks?
 

Peter King just said that someone in the Redskins organization told him at the Senior Bowl: “Three First Round Picks could change our team THIS season”. Let’s just say that Miami offered the Redskins their:
#5
#18
#26
picks to guarantee ability to get Tua at the #2 spot. What would you do? If you took the “Reverse of the RG3 pick”, who would you put in those draft spots?

Three first rounders gets you three starters in spots of absolute need. They may not just be starters but the may be very good or even excellent starters. You get excellent to outstanding starters on the cheap. What say you : an outstanding superstar for a decade or three excellent to outstanding starters that turn your team around this season.

I’m sure this statement to King was done ON PURPOSE, to float this idea in the NFL and see what the Redskins can actually get for a trade. If the King’s Ransom is high enough, they might do it.




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#5 - Isaiaha Simmons -LB
#18 Jerry Jeudy -WR
#26 - best OT available

If you get Jeudy (he may be gone by then) now you have one of the best WR crews in the NFL and they are young and cheap!

Simmons may be used at LB and he’s considered an outstanding draft pick.

Get an OT to replace Moses or Trent Williams if you can’t get him back.




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The Skins would be fools to pass up an off like that. Why Miami would give up three first rounders on what is IMO a risky pick in Tua is another story.

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[QUOTE=irish;1243712]The Skins would be fools to pass up an off like that. Why Miami would give up three first rounders on what is IMO a risky pick in Tua is another story.[/QUOTE]



Yeah, this is all theoretical. Miami only does a RG3-like trade IF, the Redskins generate other teams to start offering big packages to get to the magic #2 spot. Miami has the best trade package and would only offer it if they think ANOTHER team might move ahead of them. That’s why the Redskins dropped this comment to King - to get teams putting trade packages for #2!


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The package you presented is about what it would take for me to really consider trading out of Chase Young.

Im torn but I think I would still take Chase Young. Either way though, im happy.

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Nobody will offer three first round picks in this years draft for #2.
Not going to happen.

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[quote=Defensewins;1243715]Nobody will offer three first round picks in this years draft for #2.
Not going to happen.[/quote]

The only way that happens is if Burrow doesn't go #1 and he will so I agree with u.. Chase Young will be a Redskin, it's boring for draft content but it is what it is

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To clarify - King does not say that someone [B]with the redskins[/B] to him this. He said "I have someone at the Senior Bowl who told me." And the way the quote is phrased, Washington is being spoken of in the 3rd person, which means it's likely someone with another team.

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[quote=Warthog;1243711]#5 - Isaiaha Simmons -LB
#18 Jerry Jeudy -WR
#26 - best OT available

If you get Jeudy (he may be gone by then) now you have one of the best WR crews in the NFL and they are young and cheap!

Simmons may be used at LB and he’s considered an outstanding draft pick.

Get an OT to replace Moses or Trent Williams if you can’t get him back.




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CeeDee Lamb or Higgins would also be a great addition and there is no way u turn that offer down, it's just not happening tho. Miami needs a ton more than Tua

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[quote=Defensewins;1243715]Nobody will offer three first round picks in this years draft for #2.
Not going to happen.[/quote]

You underestimate how crazy teams are going to go for Tua. You forget that last year, before getting hurt, he was viewed as the clear overall #1 prospect. Miami would absolutely offer their 3 first this year and I think the Skins would probably ask for even more. There is going to be a bidding war for our pick, and, even if the front office is absolutely in love with Young, they should consider all options.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1243721]You underestimate how crazy teams are going to go for Tua. You forget that last year, before getting hurt, he was viewed as the clear overall #1 prospect. Miami would absolutely offer their 3 first this year and I think the Skins would probably ask for even more. There is going to be a bidding war for our pick, and, even if the front office is absolutely in love with Young, they should consider all options.[/quote]

The problem now is that Tua got badly hurt. Its hard to predict how he will play after this injury and his durability going forward. I'm sure teams will go all out for Tua but if I was a GM there's no way I'd go near him.

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I'd still take Chase Young. He's a game wrecker.

What do we do in the 3rd round? Trade down and recoup some picks? That's where I'd like to make a trade.

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Who listens to Peter King lol. I go to the source personally.... My uncle actually use to be a coach on the redskins, and all he said was you can't pass on Chase Young. Detroit trading with Miami makes more sense get Tua.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1243717]The only way that happens is if Burrow doesn't go #1 and he will so I agree with u.. Chase Young will be a Redskin, it's boring for draft content but it is what it is[/quote]
They are taking Burrow.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1243718]To clarify - King does not say that someone [B]with the redskins[/B] to him this. He said "I have someone at the Senior Bowl who told me." And the way the quote is phrased, Washington is being spoken of in the 3rd person, which means it's likely someone with another team.[/quote]
Rumors always come out via the senior bowl. Take it with a grain of salt. Sports writers need something to talk about.

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Chase Young and move on. Like someone said everyone knows what our pick is gonna be so the next 3 months will be boring draft talk like this.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1243732]Chase Young and move on. Like someone said everyone knows what our pick is gonna be so the next 3 months will be boring draft talk like this.[/quote]
Agreed.See what reggie bush has to say [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1EoZziR85U[/url]

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[quote=irish;1243726]The problem now is that Tua got badly hurt. Its hard to predict how he will play after this injury and his durability going forward. I'm sure teams will go all out for Tua but if I was a GM there's no way I'd go near him.[/quote]

If Tua is able to do anything before the draft to show "hope" that he will be fine, I think things could get interesting.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1243734]Agreed.See what reggie bush has to say [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1EoZziR85U[/url][/quote]

OK, so Reggie Bush - a while back - said Chase Young should be the first pick in the draft despite conventional belief that if a DE and a QB are rated close, then you should take the QB. Since we're here mostly for entertainment value, what if Cincy [U]does[/U] take Chase Young at #1? Don't just say they won't. Assume that they will. Then, what do you think the Redskins should do with their #2 pick with Young gone and Burrow sitting there as either a player or a trade asset for them?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1243740]OK, so Reggie Bush - a while back - said Chase Young should be the first pick in the draft despite conventional belief that if a DE and a QB are rated close, then you should take the QB. Since we're here mostly for entertainment value, what if Cincy [U]does[/U] take Chase Young at #1? Don't just say they won't. Assume that they will. Then, what do you think the Redskins should do with their #2 pick with Young gone and Burrow sitting there as either a player or a trade asset for them?[/quote]
They are taking Joe Burrow. Your overthinking this. Your being brainwashed by to many youtube mock drafts.

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I’d want more picks


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Today's NFL comes down to protecting the QB on offense and hitting the QB on defense.

Draft Chase, bring back Silverback, sign Austin Hooper.

That is my perfect off-season.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1243745]They are taking Joe Burrow. Your overthinking this. Your being brainwashed by to many youtube mock drafts.[/quote]

You have no call to be so insulting to me or anyone else on this friendly board. I said it was just for fun, didn't I? If you don't want to play my silly-ass game, just ignore my post and move on to something else.

Your friend, KI

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1243745]They are taking Joe Burrow. Your overthinking this. Your being brainwashed by to many youtube mock drafts.[/quote]

I think he was just speaking hypothetically. IF they were to not take Burrow with #1 (and I agree they will), then that can only leave 2 scenarios:
1) RR doesn't trust the future to Haskins and pulls a Cardinals move, draft Burrow and ship Haskins.
2) we trade down likely with Miami who'd probably bite our hands off to get Burrow, and that would probably have to be a mega trade.

It is highly unlikely, but imagine. It's a potential nightmare scenario if you don't actually want Burrow, but if you don't get a trade offer do you forego the #1/2 player and draft need or take Burrow and make the best of it?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1243758]I think he was just speaking hypothetically. IF they were to not take Burrow with #1 (and I agree they will), then that can only leave 2 scenarios:
1) RR doesn't trust the future to Haskins and pulls a Cardinals move, draft Burrow and ship Haskins.
2) we trade down likely with Miami who'd probably bite our hands off to get Burrow, and that would probably have to be a mega trade.

It is highly unlikely, but imagine. It's a potential nightmare scenario if you don't actually want Burrow, but if you don't get a trade offer do you forego the #1/2 player and draft need or take Burrow and make the best of it?[/quote]

Yes, and Cincy and other teams have been known to do some wacky and unexpected things in the draft. Do you remember when Mike Ditka traded the Saints [U]entire draft[/U] to the Skins so he could draft a [U]running back[/U]?

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I'm either drafting Chase, or I'm drafting 3 players in the first round.

I love the idea of having 3 first round picks, but realistically the pressure would increase 1000-fold to use those picks appropriately. Because missing on 1 or 2 of the picks could be the difference between being a bottom-feeder and being a contender for a long time.

And never say never because the Herschel Walker, Ricky Williams, and RG3 trades have shown us anything is possible if a team falls in love with a guy on draft day.

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To trade down I wouldn’t want to go below the 5th pick. To take the trade I would need Miami to tell us who they’re moving up for. If they say Tu’a then I entertain the offer because we’d get Isaiah Simmons or Andrew Thomas, assuming Chase Young goes 3 to Detroit. But I think I’d need a sweetener beyond the 5th, 18th, and 26th honestly. If they throw in a 2nd in 2021 then it’s probably at the point where I can’t refuse it.

If Miami won’t tell us who they want at 2, then I don’t continue listening. I’d want to be assured of Chase Young, Isaiah Simmons, or Andrew Thomas.

No matter what I make all suitors sweat it out and I don’t take a deal until I’m on the clock.

This is honestly the way we need to think about the impact Young could have for us. PFF has never graded a college pass rusher this high. He’s their highest graded yet. The value of that is just so enormous.

Khalil Mack goes to the Bears, massive improvement on defense year 1. Von Miller goes to Denver, wins a Super Bowl. Nick Bosa goes to SF, they make the Super Bowl.

The pass rusher isn’t solely responsible but we have cap space, we can solve other problems. It takes an epic haul to turn down Chase Young.

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[quote=Schneed10;1243763]To trade down I wouldn’t want to go below the 5th pick. To take the trade I would need Miami to tell us who they’re moving up for. If they say Tu’a then I entertain the offer because we’d get Isaiah Simmons or Andrew Thomas, assuming Chase Young goes 3 to Detroit. But I think I’d need a sweetener beyond the 5th, 18th, and 26th honestly. If they throw in a 2nd in 2021 then it’s probably at the point where I can’t refuse it.

If Miami won’t tell us who they want at 2, then I don’t continue listening. I’d want to be assured of Chase Young, Isaiah Simmons, or Andrew Thomas.

No matter what I make all suitors sweat it out and I don’t take a deal until I’m on the clock.

This is honestly the way we need to think about the impact Young could have for us. PFF has never graded a college pass rusher this high. He’s their highest graded yet. The value of that is just so enormous.

[B]Khalil Mack goes to the Bears, massive improvement on defense year 1. Von Miller goes to Denver, wins a Super Bowl. Nick Bosa goes to SF, they make the Super Bowl.[/B]

The pass rusher isn’t solely responsible but we have cap space, we can solve other problems. It takes an epic haul to turn down Chase Young.[/quote]

Those are great examples of what a top pass rusher can do for a team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1243764]Those are great examples of what a top pass rusher can do for a team.[/quote]

And while the game has changed over the years, there are examples all throughout the game’s history. Lawrence Taylor won two Super Bowls. Reggie White won one (and the Eagles got decidedly worse when he left for GB). Bruce Smith played in 4 straight SBs. Charles Haley with both Dallas and SF.

Heck when you look back at the Skins we had QBs change out, but Mann and Manley were constants.

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In the op, I’d wouldn’t take the 26 but would ask for next year first instead just in case Haskins shits the bed this year, I’d have two first rounders in prep for Trevor Lawrence.

The 18th and 5th, next year first rounder...I still think that’s close but not good enough to miss out on chase young.

Chase Young or Three First Round Picks?
 

Most likely the Redskins take Chase Young unless something bad comes out in the combine. With as much as players prep for the combine now, the chance of Chase tubing it is remote.

Miami probably has the only combination of high enough picks to get us to trade down unless a team does a crazy Ditka-like offer of ALL their draft picks, plus their first-rounder next year.

I agree with a previous poster about falling too low in the first round with the first pick. You’ve got to get at least major player in the first round to give up on Chase. Isaiah Simmons (LB) or Andrew Thomas (OT) or maybe Jerry Jeudy (WR) in that order. Then another pick in the first round later.

This thread is just for fun. I put it out there rather than work hard writing on my next book.


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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1243765]And while the game has changed over the years, there are examples all throughout the game’s history. Lawrence Taylor won two Super Bowls. Reggie White won one (and the Eagles got decidedly worse when he left for GB). Bruce Smith played in 4 straight SBs. Charles Haley with both Dallas and SF.



Heck when you look back at the Skins we had QBs change out, but Mann and Manley were constants.[/QUOTE]



You’re right. It’s been over 25 years since we had the Mann and Manley combination of elite rushing edges. The thought of Young and Sweat, under the leadership and tutorial instruction of Del Rio / RR makes me drool. We have not had an elite rushing combo in all these years. Plus, I think the pass rush of Allen and Payne would greatly improve with the attention going to the edges.

However, if the team could get Simmons (LB) AND Jeudy (WR) and a first for next year, that would be tempting!


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Chase, Montez, Ryan rotation in a 4-3 is beautiful. All 3 of them are solid or above against the run too. I'll be pretty frustrated if we don't get Chase.

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Chase and don’t look back, we can address some holes with FA. Fuck Peter Queen, fucking fat fuck who voted against Art Monk, POS!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1243780]Chase and don’t look back, we can address some holes with FA. Fuck Peter Queen, fucking fat fuck who voted against Art Monk, POS!![/quote]

Hey, stop holding back.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1243780]Chase and don’t look back, we can address some holes with FA. Fuck Peter Queen, fucking fat fuck who voted against Art Monk, POS!![/QUOTE]



He voted against Art Monk? What a tool!!

Art had 3 SB rings, 5 x 1000+ yd seasons, and three Pro Bowl years!


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[quote=Warthog;1243786]He voted against Art Monk? What a tool!!

Art had 3 SB rings, 5 x 1000+ yd seasons, and three Pro Bowl years!


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I think he eventually gave in after 8 years, Art should have been 1st ballot HOF, King held him back. Fuck him!! Art got the last laugh with the best, longest, loudest ovation a player has ever received at the HOF induction.

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I would be shocked if any team would give a king's ransom to trade up and get Tua. His hip injury should send up red flags as to his long term viability to hold up to the rigors of playing in the NFL. 80 year old people get hip injuries, not 20 year old ones.

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Also think about from the other teams angle. Miami are rebuilding, so would they really give up all those picks for 1 potentially great player? I'd say everyone has learned from the blockbuster trades as above; you might get lucky with that 1 player but look what you'd be giving up. Hypothetically a trade would be tempting but I just don't see enough suitors with the capital they'd be willing to give up.

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Peter King is such a tool. How'd that work out for the Rams? 1st round draft picks fail 50% of the time. Take the potentially elite player and get some corners in FA. You do that and combine with better scheme and you may have a middle of the pack d, or better.