Could the Skins do what the 49ers did in 2019-20?
 

This past season, the 49ers were coming off a 4 and 12 regular season. With the 2nd pick of the draft, they selected Nick Bosa, DE from Ohio State.

The Skins are coming off a 3 and 13 year, and hold the second pick in the draft, with all signs pointing to drafting of Chase Young, DE from Ohio State.

Obviously, there's a whole lot more to the Niners turnaround, and there are a lot more holes for the Skins to fill too, but these parallels are interesting.

Could the Skins do what the Niners did last year, next year?


That D-Line with Chase Young added to it, is freakin' tasty. With Rivera and Del Rio leading the new D, could that be the catalyst to turning the D into a top 10, or greater, defense? Could the Skins follow that all the way to the Super Bowl?


Probably not. But it is nice to dream ....

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Yes, almost identical situation, except for they have better LB’s and a proven QB.

Our DL situation is identical, that’s why Chase Young is badly needed.

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The answer is most likely a big NO! The 49ers were 4-12 in 2018 because they lost their QB who was 5-0 for them the previous year. Nick Bosa wasn't the main reason they won 9 more games.

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Are you saying if we improve enough, we too could lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs after blowing a 10 point lead in the Super Bowl next year?

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This is a stretch.
Niners were 3 seasons into a rebuild with Shanahan.
Redskins are starting from scratch.

New system for the players. New players for the coaches. It’s going to take some time.

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No not happening unless Haskins has an MVP type season

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Our division was terrible this year. Draft Chase Young and hit on a couple FA and/or other picks and we could make the playoffs possibly.

Just draft Chase Young and that alone makes us way better.

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It took 3 years for the 49ers to go from 4 wins to the SB. In the same amount of time the Redskins could rise to a similar level. Even if the Redskins draft Chase Young and he does have a Bosa -like years, I still think we’ll only get to .500 this season. Too many holes and you can only count on Kyle Smith to do so much. In two seasons I think we can be in the playoffs and on our way. Obviously the biggest unknown is Haskins and the WR group and our TE. We have two stars on WR, but need a WR #2 or for Harmon to excel. We have NOTHING at TE and look to add two TE through FA. We’ll probably take Greg Olsen and bid for an elite TE, but may come up short for an elite TE and may have to settle for an average TE FA or pick a third round TE, like we did with Cooley.


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It's possible but there are too many ifs:
We clear all the dead wood and/or trim the salaries of the likes of Kerrigan
Haskins has a breakout season
We find a great WR & TE in FA/draft
We draft CY and the whole DL buck up
We find a field general at LB who can raise the bar for the LBs (possibly Holcomb?)
We get at least 1 if not 2 upgrades at DB, particularly CB
Guice stays healthy (and Love isn't a bust) - we have too many needs to pick up another RB

That's too much for one offseason imho

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1244166]Our division was terrible this year. Draft Chase Young and hit on a couple FA and/or other picks and we could make the playoffs possibly.

Just draft Chase Young and that alone makes us way better.[/quote]

Agree, the Eagles and Boys both have big ?s going into the future. Dak is about to get Tagged so they will be cap strapped.. The Eagles have Wentz yes but he's injury prone as hell.

The Giants are young but need just as much as we do if not more. If Rivera has this defense in the top 15 next yr, we could make a run at the division.

Chase Young is the best player in this draft, similar to Bosa last yr and Quinton Nelson a few years ago, you simply HAVE to take him

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My way too early prediction is the Skins could win 7 next year if things go right. If I had to bet I’d go with 6 wins.


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While my excitement is definitely up from previous offseasons, way too many questions at too many positions to expect a playoff season or even 8-8. The run game alone...with the O line, TE, and whoever will be in the backfield...hard to imagine at this point it will be a strength of the team, but I surely hope it will be. My guess is Eagles will still be the best in the division, but who knows what to expect from dallas and giants.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1244152]This past season, the 49ers were coming off a 4 and 12 regular season. With the 2nd pick of the draft, they selected Nick Bosa, DE from Ohio State.

The Skins are coming off a 3 and 13 year, and hold the second pick in the draft, with all signs pointing to drafting of Chase Young, DE from Ohio State.

Obviously, there's a whole lot more to the Niners turnaround, and there are a lot more holes for the Skins to fill too, but these parallels are interesting.

[B]Could the Skins do what the Niners did last year, next year?


That D-Line with Chase Young added to it, is freakin' tasty. With Rivera and Del Rio leading the new D, could that be the catalyst to turning the D into a top 10, or greater, defense? Could the Skins follow that all the way to the Super Bowl? [/B]

Probably not. But it is nice to dream ....[/quote]

I think with the coaching direction JDR and RR...defense will become a priority and we will certainly get better with that and the addition of CY.

The question is, can we duplicate success on the ground? That's a challenge with 2 Injured RB and one extremely old RB. We need help there with another RB draft pick or FA signing. My preference would be to move on from AP.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244178]I think with the coaching direction JDR and RR...defense will become a priority and we will certainly get better with that and the addition of CY.

The question is, can we duplicate success on the ground? That's a challenge with 2 Injured RB and one extremely old RB. We need help there with another RB draft pick or FA signing. My preference would be to move on from AP.[/quote]

Yes AP is old, but still much more durable than the other RBs on the roster and still the most talented...plus I think AP's style will work with Turner's offense. I'd keep him this year while Guice can see if he can stay healthy and hopefully Love becomes the next third down back...or maybe more.

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[quote=Redskins247;1244179]Yes AP is old, but still much more durable than the other RBs on the roster and still the most talented...plus I think AP's style will work with Turner's offense. I'd keep him this year while Guice can see if he can stay healthy and hopefully Love becomes the next third down back...or maybe more.[/quote]

It wouldn’t kill me if he stays as a back up to the young guys and a short yardage package type back. I just don’t want him asking/taking away from younger guys who need to play

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Why has everyone here just gone through a list of player needs? By far, the most significant offseason moves that Dan Snyder could have made to improve this team have already happened. He fired Bruce Allen and other executives and staff who needed to be let go. Before Snyder did that he fired Jay Gruden, a failure as a HC, and hired Ron Rivera, a proven winner and leader of men. Lastly, he ceded overall control of football operations to Rivera.

With just these changes, I believe we could be a significantly better football team even if we were to put all of the same players we had last season on the field. We already have many good players who were horribly coached last season. They will play better together under RR.

Of course, Rivera won't stand pat on the roster so we can't help but be better. We have money for FA acquisitions, we have the #2 draft pick, we can make trades and Rivera might even be able to get Trent to return to the team. I believe in RR. I think we could finish 8-8 in 2020 and take the next big step in 2021.

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[quote=Redskins247;1244179][B]Yes AP is old, but still much more durable than the other RBs on the roster [/B]and still the most talented...plus I think AP's style will work with Turner's offense. I'd keep him this year while Guice can see if he can stay healthy and hopefully Love becomes the next third down back...or maybe more.[/quote]

That is a strange fact.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244180]It wouldn’t kill me if he stays as a back up to the young guys and a short yardage package type back. I just don’t want him asking/taking away from younger guys who need to play[/quote]

Maybe the young guys could increase their playing me by being well enough to get on the field and stay there. AP has been available and they haven't. I would look to bring in a true short yardage beast via FA or trade. He doesn't need to be a star. Perhaps we could get someone like Bo Scarbrough from Detroit via trade.

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Echoing jamf... the similarities are we sucked this year like the 49ers did before, we've been pumping 1st round picks into the defensive line like they have been, and we have the 2nd overall pick like they did that we all expect to be used on a stud pass rusher.

But this is Rivera's first year and it was Shanahan's third.

The question really should be can we follow a 3 year rise like the 49ers did? Certainly possible. But this year? Don't like the chances for a Super Bowl run, lol.

I do like our chances to be competitive and get in the mix for 8-8, thanks to discipline and doing things like adults. Which would be a massive improvement over last year. But it takes time to mature to excellence. It seems like the 49ers did it overnight, but there was groundwork being laid ever since Shanahan and Lynch arrived there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244180]It wouldn’t kill me if he stays as a back up to the young guys and a short yardage package type back. I just don’t want him asking/taking away from younger guys who need to play[/quote]

Yeah I'm with you...perfect scenario is Guice/Love/? TAKE the starting position from him and stay healthy. I can't imagine any other team is going to give AP more opportunity than the Skins, and that's if they keep him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244180]It wouldn’t kill me if he stays as a back up to the young guys and a short yardage package type back. I just don’t want him asking/taking away from younger guys who need to play[/quote]

I agree with you on this.. Also, AP is good mentor so this is another area where keeping AP would benefit Redskins.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244182]That is a strange fact.[/quote]

AP is a special specimen imo. I think some players are just born with stronger thicker ligaments. They are just less injury prone and on the flip side, some players are born more predisposed to injuries. Manny Machado was like that, he had "bad genetic knees" and had multiple surgeries including a preventive surgery to an uninjured ligament to just get it over with.

AP also takes stretching and his body health very seriously. He hyper extended his knee 2 years ago on a play and when I saw it, I thought he would be done for the year. It looked bad bad. But he was out a few snaps and back in, albeit hobbling a bit.

"Injury prone" is something I believe in. Teams who can identify it (seems hard to do) are in a better position bc like Czabe says 'availability is the best ability'.

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AD has been a diesel truck since college, he's just a freak athlete that seems to never age

Could the Skins do what the 49ers did in 2019-20?
 

It take awhile to turn a team around. Sure we got rid of the team cancer and Chief Knucklehead, Bruce Allen, but the MANY mistakes he made will take several years to erase (such as Alex Smith’s contract).

The defense with the addition of Chase Young and maybe signing Kendall Fuller as well as drafting or FA signing of FS and LB will improve the defensive players we have. But the BIGGEST improvement will be the defensive genius and instruction of Del Rio and RR. I expect this defense to be in the top 10 next year.

The offense has further to go. First is the OL: it all depends on the resigning Trent, Scherff and Flowers. Drafting an OT. Filling the TE black hole with Olsen (for one year) and either going for an elite TE or trying to draft a starter with our third rounder. Need a WR #2 FA until we can see if Harmon can fill it for the future. What about RB? Can Guice and Love make it through a whole season? Haskins shone at the end of the season - can he keep improving? How good is Scott Turner? I think he will play to Haskins pluses better than KOC, but he’s still green and will need some time to grow. There are just too many questions on offense to expect them to dominate.

The number of big holes in the Redskins lineup can’t be fixed in one season of FA and draft picks. Kyle Smith had an incredible 2019 draft and UDFA. He has done extremely well over the last 3 years but it is foolish to think he can keep beating the averages every year. That’s like people expecting the stock market to always rise and increase. Some FA will have to be done on the cheap and for one-year contracts of older but still good players. Greg Olsen is one such pickup - probably a one year deal for $4-5 mill. We might take a chance on Kendall Fuller and hope he returns to the form when he was here (before Bruce Allen’s ridiculous trade).

I think it reasonable for the Redskins to win 7-8 games. But we have too many unknowns and holes to think we’re going to go much past that. At least this will be a motivated, disciplined team playing well with what they have. The defense will be exciting and will improve A GREAT DEAL over Greg Manusky’s pitiful coaching. The offense will have bursts of very good play followed by mistakes of a young team.

BL - this team will be fun to watch again although we are probably a season away from playoff level.


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[quote=SunnySide;1244189]
[B]"Injury prone" is something I believe in[/B]. Teams who can identify it (seems hard to do) are in a better position bc like Czabe says 'availability is the best ability'.[/quote]


This is true and very unfortunate for Guice.

We've seen it before with Michael Westbrook and even Chris Thompson.

Both can play but are only available for 8 games a season.

If Guice has another knee injury this season, we need to move on.

Could the Skins do what the 49ers did in 2019-20?
 

[QUOTE=jamf;1244228]This is true and very unfortunate for Guice.

We've seen it before with Michael Westbrook and even Chris Thompson.

Both can play but are only available for 8 games a season.

If Guice has another knee injury this season, we need to move on.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. I think Guice is a RB who will need to be paired with another RB to split the carries. Guice should carry no more than 10-15 carries a game. This next season will be important for both Guice and Love. Can they get through a whole season??

I think the increased discipline and much harder practices and probably a lot more post practice running (like the Patriots do) -
will definitely REDUCE the number of injuries this coming season. I think Gruden’s “Camp Cupcake” practices, along with Bruce Allen’s love of hiring players with a long injury history, correllated with the high number of Redskin’s injuries, year after year. It’s not all luck regarding injuries.

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I'll keep this simple, not this year

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[QUOTE=Meks;1244291]I'll keep this simple, not this year[/QUOTE]



Exactly, you can’t go from a terrible
, three-win team who was 32nd in offense and 27th in defense and turn it around because we drafted Chase Young. If we win 8 games I’d consider that a huge success in putting out this dumpster fire of a team.


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[quote=Warthog;1244320]Exactly, you can’t go from a terrible
, three-win team who was 32nd in offense and 27th in defense and turn it around because we drafted Chase Young. If we win 8 games I’d consider that a huge success in putting out this dumpster fire of a team.


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I bet they make the playoffs and maybe beyond. There is way too much young talent on this team that hasn’t been coached or used properly.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1244329]I bet they make the playoffs and maybe beyond. There is way too much young talent on this team that hasn’t been coached or used properly.[/QUOTE]



There is no doubt that the Redskins will surprise many teams used to the undisciplined team that could never get up for the “must win” game. The first surprise will be the defense. This defense has been POORLY coached for over 5 years. Although the ‘skins had 46 sacks last year (10th in the NFL), it really didn’t help their defense - which was near the bottom of the NFL (27th).

I think the defense will turn around VERY QUICKLY. If we draft Chase Young, we will have a fearful rush. This rush will generate lots of turnovers which will make our defense more exciting. You won’t see the confusion of last seasons DB missing assignments because they were unsure of Manusky’s complex schemes. We might get into the top 10 for the defense.

The offense has a lot more questions. I think the team could win 8 games. They might surprise everyone and get to the playoffs in the wildcard but that’s probably next year. But hope you’re right!!


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You never know what will happen with Haskins's progress. DC coordinators have a half year of film on him now. He will also be learning a new system. All the flaws in his techniques aren't going away without a lot of work and repetition.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1244353]You never know what will happen with Haskins's progress. DC coordinators have a half year of film on him now. He will also be learning a new system. All the flaws in his techniques aren't going away without a lot of work and repetition.[/QUOTE]



Yes, you’re right. This offseason is really important for Haskin’s increased growth. First is to build an offense around him:

1. He needs a TE. Right now we have nothing. I believe we have a good chance to hire Olsen for a short 1-2 year contract. This is just a stop-gap for the team. Greg Olsen will provide a good TE, who is tough and can be a mentor to the young players we have.

I think the Redskins will target the best TE in FA. Austin Hooper is young, a very good receiver and also can block well. He will be expensive but we’ll worth!



2. Rebuild the OL . Resign Trent Williams, Scherff and Flowersr. Draft an OT in the draft and UDFA in order to try to replace Moses. The competition in TC will either give us a better and motivated Moses or a rookie OT. Martin is really improved and he may used the compete against Moses or to compete for C.

3. Add a WR#2 with the third round draft pick. This new rookie will challenge Harmon at #2. The draft has a DEEP pool of WR. We need a speedy offset to McLaurin.

All the additions will create a far better offense then last year, especially at TE. If we add Hooper and Olsen we will take a non-existence TE crew and make it ELITE.

The biggest improvement will be in the play-calling. Scot Turner will use Haskins strengths optimally rather than being slavishly addicted to a failed running game. We will see much more passing this season than last - especially on first down.

Finally, Haskins will be working with the coach’s at Asburn for most of the offseason. He has made statements saying he will do that. He needs to work on certain techniques. Alex Smith and a new QB coach will work with him A LOT. He may also work with all the receivers this offseason.

I think we’ll see a much improved offense this year. Our offense was LAST in the league last season. It will really improve with some normal bumps for a team with many young players. For all the naysayers of Haskins - they will be really surprised at how much he improves.




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