Position Battles in Camp
 

Good article looking at an array of battles...competition everywhere

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/analyzing-redskins-position-battles-training-camp-2020-ron-rivera[/url]

Couple things I would love to see,

1. Rookies come in and take jobs...Charles at Left Tackle and AGG opposite Terry.

2. Guice finally stays healthy and starts over AP and others. The talent is there...if he could somehow stay healthy he would be a beast.

3. Someone out of the 7-9 TE in camp surprises and has a productive season. I’m not a Sprinkle fan..the job is way up in air. Still think we could add someone here

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I think it will be challenging for rookies to come in and take over the starting spots without a real training camp although I think there's a good chance it could happen in middle of the season.

I know not many share my opinion about Harmon but I still believe in Harmon and think we will see a growth from him in the second season.

I found this [URL="https://www.redskins.com/news/logan-thomas-high-expectations-redskins"]nugget[/URL], Thomas is athletic and I can see him making an impact on our offense. The question is how big of impact it will be. Based on Redskins' small efforts in improving the TE position, I believe Redskins are going to give Thomas the opportunity to prove himself, along with many other players in several positions. If the experiment doesn't work out then we can expect Redskins to find a solution next offseason.

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I'd love to see Charles come in ready to rock and roll.

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Thomas coming in and taking a next step in development would be huge. He’s a player to watch closely

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I know Cooley isn't the end all be all with evaluations but I don't think he thinks much of Thomas and called him just a guy.

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Yeah I'm not going to hold my breath on Thomas but it seems like it is his job to lose so I expect him to at least contribute some to the offense at some point.

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[quote=MTK;1253096]I know Cooley isn't the end all be all with evaluations but I don't think he thinks much of Thomas and called him just a guy.[/quote]

Yup...I heard that too.

One thing that could be a positive is our TE coach seems fuckin legit....like he has had molded some good players



Side note with Cooley...does he seem a lil bitter about something? Was he promised something but it didn’t happen? Seems like he realllllllllly wants to coach TE or offense.

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[quote=Chico23231;1253103]Yup...I heard that too.

One thing that could be a positive is our TE coach seems fuckin legit....like he has had molded some good players



[B]Side note with Cooley...does he seem a lil bitter about something? Was he promised something but it didn’t happen? Seems like he realllllllllly wants to coach TE or offense[/B].[/quote]

Haven't heard him in quite a while, so I couldn't say about the bitterness.
But I've often gotten the feeling he'd love to coach for this team.

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[quote=Chico23231;1253084]Good article looking at an array of battles...competition everywhere

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/analyzing-redskins-position-battles-training-camp-2020-ron-rivera[/url]

Couple things I would love to see,

1. Rookies come in and take jobs...Charles at Left Tackle and AGG opposite Terry.

2. Guice finally stays healthy and starts over AP and others. The talent is there...if he could somehow stay healthy he would be a beast.

3. Someone out of the 7-9 TE in camp surprises and has a productive season. I’m not a Sprinkle fan..the job is way up in air. Still think we could add someone here[/quote]

Lucas is my favorite FA signing. I would be fine with him or Charles starting at LT. Or if Lucas shows out, him starting at RT, Charles starting at LT, and keeping Moses as high cost backup for a year.

Guice being healthy for anywhere near 16 games would be HUGE. Don't even care if he starts. Uber talented. We need him to be a weapon. He is so talented. But even moreso than that, he seems like a great dude and is definitely a hard worker. I hope he stays healthy for his sake. C'mon life!!!

Sprinkle is a # 3 at this point imo. I think he makes the team. But don't want to depend on him for production.

I think our biggest question is: Can Darby and Moreau stay healthy 1st and productive 2nd. I think Darby, Moreau, Fuller have all the talent in the world to be a good unit. But at the same time they all have questions. This question has at least 1 game +/- attached to it. I'd say more like 2. Huge in a 16 game season with lots of other units as part of the fornula.

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[quote=GridIron26;1253092]I think it will be challenging for rookies to come in and take over the starting spots without a real training camp although I think there's a good chance it could happen in middle of the season.

[B]I know not many share my opinion about Harmon but I still believe in Harmon and think we will see a growth from him in the second season.
[/B]
I found this [URL="https://www.redskins.com/news/logan-thomas-high-expectations-redskins"]nugget[/URL], Thomas is athletic and I can see him making an impact on our offense. The question is how big of impact it will be. Based on Redskins' small efforts in improving the TE position, I believe Redskins are going to give Thomas the opportunity to prove himself, along with many other players in several positions. If the experiment doesn't work out then we can expect Redskins to find a solution next offseason.[/quote]

I'm a Harmon believer, too.

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[quote=GridIron26;1253092]I think it will be challenging for rookies to come in and take over the starting spots without a real training camp although I think there's a good chance it could happen in middle of the season.

[B]I know not many share my opinion about Harmon but I still believe in Harmon and think we will see a growth from him in the second season.
[/B]
I found this [URL="https://www.redskins.com/news/logan-thomas-high-expectations-redskins"]nugget[/URL], Thomas is athletic and I can see him making an impact on our offense. The question is how big of impact it will be. Based on Redskins' small efforts in improving the TE position, I believe Redskins are going to give Thomas the opportunity to prove himself, along with many other players in several positions. If the experiment doesn't work out then we can expect Redskins to find a solution next offseason.[/quote]

I'm a Harmon believer, too.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1253110]I think our biggest question is: Can Darby and Moreau stay healthy 1st and productive 2nd. I think Darby, Moreau, Fuller have all the talent in the world to be a good unit. But at the same time they all have questions. This question has at least 1 game +/- attached to it. I'd say more like 2. Huge in a 16 game season with lots of other units as part of the fornula.[/quote]

You got two CB who have injury histories and in prove it years...it’s highly unlikely both stay healthy. It’s Darby job to lose, but I think Moreau can challenge if he can pick up where he left off last season.

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I’m not giving up on Harmon, but AGG has speed and big play potential that Harmon lacks

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1253113]I'm a Harmon believer, too.[/quote]

Me 3. Was super pumped to get him where we did last year.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1253113]I'm a Harmon believer, too.[/quote]

Harmon is the best TE on the roster.

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[quote=Chico23231;1253117]I’m not giving up on Harmon, but AGG has speed and big play potential that Harmon lacks[/quote]

Why do you have so little appreciation for depth? It's not as if only the starters play.

Harmon fearlessly works the middle of the field and out-muscles defensive players to make catches. He doesn't need to be the fastest player in the league to do what he does best. His game is similar to Anquan Bolden's IMO. He can be a chain-mover. If Harmon turns out to be a role player, that's fine with me. I love role players.

I like AGG, too. I like them both but for different reasons. Both should play and I expect both do do well.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1253126]Harmon is the best TE on the roster.[/quote]

Put 15-20 pounds of muscle on AGG and he might become an elite receiving TE. I'm not joking about that.

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Don't click the link, I don't want to encourage Yardbarker, but I thought everyone should know Yardbarker led off their "five hottest NFL QB battles in TC" with Haskins vs. Allen.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/five-hottest-nfl-qb-competitions-to-watch-during-training-camps/ar-BB15NdNs?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

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Here is a PFF take on the Redskins RB situation:

[I]WASHINGTON REDSKINS

RB1: Derrius Guice

RB2: Adrian Peterson

RB3 or RB4 or RB5 or RB6: Antonio Gibson or Bryce Love or J.D. McKissic or Peyton Barber

Notes: What an absolute mess. Guice is the favorite to start, but truly there’s more unknown in this backfield than any other in the league.

Guice has played in five of 32 games over the past two seasons. He’s been fantastic in this short sample and is talented enough to make the most out of 10-15 touches per game, but there are serious reinjury concerns here, and a three-down role seems unlikely at any point regardless of whether or not he can maintain good health. To reiterate: Guice is a stud.

Peterson was actually #good in 2019 and wouldn’t be back in Washington without some sort of guarantee for playing time, but don’t expect this new staff to feed him in the same manner as interim coach Bill Callahan did down the stretch in 2019.

That leaves us with the remaining crew. Gibson seems like the best candidate to command some sort of role approaching double-digit touches per game. It's easy to love Gibson the player. He scored 14 touchdowns on just 77 touches in 2019, ripping off seven plays of 50-plus yards and breaking roughly a million tackles along the way. Gibson is viewed as a WR/RB hybrid, standing 6-foot and weighing 228 pounds with the ability to run the 40 in 4.39 seconds.

The Athletic's Grant Paulsen reports the Redskins want to run more 21 personnel (two running backs, one tight end) with rookie Gibson and Guice or Peterson on the field at the same time.[/I]

Here is my own dream RB scenario two years down the road:

Everyone is healthy. Guice is the RB1 starter, backed up by Love. Gibson gets most of the reps as the second RB on the field, backed up by McKissic. Yes, there would be four RB's on the roster. This would be an explosive backfield.

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I would be really shocked if we decide to keep all 6 RBs by the time the seasons starts. Now that it's starting to look like there's a real chance the preseason will be cancelled, the preseason already had been reduced to 2 games already. With that in mind, I have a little expectations from our rookies, including Gibson.

My best guess would be, we keep 5 RBs and cut Barber. Guice and AP will share the majority of carries for Redskins, both will be on the field at the same time for the short-yards plays. But when it's 1st and 2nd down plays, I can see Guice or AP and McKissic being on the field at the same time. As Gibson develops throughout the season, he will take over McKissic's role. I have no idea what role Love will have, he probably would be relegated as #5 RB unless he shows a lot in practices, if and when that happens, it will become complicated situation..

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[quote=GridIron26;1253774]I would be really shocked if we decide to keep all 6 RBs by the time the seasons starts. Now that it's starting to look like there's a real chance the preseason will be cancelled, the preseason already had been reduced to 2 games already. With that in mind, I have a little expectations from our rookies, including Gibson.

My best guess would be, we keep 5 RBs and cut Barber. Guice and AP will share the majority of carries for Redskins, both will be on the field at the same time for the short-yards plays. But when it's 1st and 2nd down plays, I can see Guice or AP and McKissic being on the field at the same time. As Gibson develops throughout the season, he will take over McKissic's role. I have no idea what role Love will have, he probably would be relegated as #5 RB unless he shows a lot in practices, if and when that happens, it will become complicated situation..[/quote]

It’s gonna be an interesting watch and I think it mainly revolves around one thing, injures. I think you pull out McKissic and Gibson...they on the team, McK as the 3rd down back and Gibby as the gadget H-back.

The other 4 and other which may be added..it’s about 1 thing only, injuries. Whoever is healthy at start of season makes the team.

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I think that it might depend on whether Gibsons versatility allows them to carry just 5 WR

Normally I would think of 4 RB + 6 WR balance, maybe it is preferable to think of it as 4RB + 5WR + Gibson

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1253132]Put 15-20 pounds of muscle on AGG and he might become an elite receiving TE. I'm not joking about that.[/quote]

Niles Paul actually played well at TE after doing the same.