Lions PG
 

Positives

Gibson
Terry
OL for the most part
JD for being the #1 option

Negatives
Defense sucked ass
No pass rush from this amazing DL....
Fuller sucked
Coaching was bad all game until late
Chase Young’s play of the game gave the Lions a FG to win..

Still on par for a top 5 pick so I’m fine with it

Re: Lions PG
 

Watched highlights personally thought the penalty was a bit soft but a good lesson for CY even mid tier QBs will get a RP most of the time. Alex back to back 300 games for first time in his career. Congrats to him but that is not a good stat for the team. Means the game plan has come off the rail.

Re: Lions PG
 

Alex did what he does, Checks it down 90% of the time and doesn’t turn it over. Overall wasn’t surprised the Lions won they are the better team

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1265285]Watched highlights personally thought the penalty was a bit soft but a good lesson for CY even mid tier QBs will get a RP most of the time. Alex back to back 300 games for first time in his career. Congrats to him but that is not a good stat for the team. Means the game plan has come off the rail.[/quote]

Smith had 55 attempts in his first game back after 2 years and a brutal injury.

I understand we were down early and had to throw, but you can't expect an older guy to hold up after not playing for so long.

Re: Lions PG
 

I'm gonna be so disappointed if nobody calls out Aqib Talib for calling a garbage game today. Normally I'm pretty lenient with the booth, there's not many I don't like, but Talib is one of them.

Re: Lions PG
 

This game took the course it was supposed to. We are a bad team, and i assume we lose the close ones. I ate fried chicken, and hung out with my brother...so the game was a win for me.
Im done getting upset about this team. Not that it wasn't before, but its way more about the comradery, and good times than it is about the actual football team.

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[quote=mooby;1265296]I'm gonna be so disappointed if nobody calls out Aqib Talib for calling a garbage game today. Normally I'm pretty lenient with the booth, there's not many I don't like, but Talib is one of them.[/quote]

I missed the first few mintues, but me and my bro were wondering who was calling it. Some of it was good, and therre were a few educational breakdowns of plays, but some of it was cringe.

Re: Lions PG
 

The "next 5 games are winnable" is off to an 0-2 start. Every game we play is very very losable.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=mooby;1265296]I'm gonna be so disappointed if nobody calls out Aqib Talib for calling a garbage game today. Normally I'm pretty lenient with the booth, there's not many I don't like, but Talib is one of them.[/quote]

I mentioned in the game thread. He is not even funny bad.

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[QUOTE=OnceWeWereKings;1265298]This game took the course it was supposed to. We are a bad team, and i assume we lose the close ones. I ate fried chicken, and hung out with my brother...so the game was a win for me.
Im done getting upset about this team. Not that it wasn't before, but its way more about the comradery, and good times than it is about the actual football team.[/QUOTE]


Can’t go wrong with yardbird. I haven’t gotten mad at a loss in a few years

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1265300]The "next 5 games are winnable" is off to an 0-2 start. Every game we play is very very losable.[/QUOTE]


I laughed at that quote anyway... this team is never a sure Win for anyone. I’d be surprised if they win 2 more games

Re: Lions PG
 

RR Presser
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/11/15/21566417/ron-rivera-presser-we-have-to-take-care-of-our-own-business-we-cant-worry-about-anybody-else[/url]

Nothing to see here move along ... move along...

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1265309]RR Presser
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/11/15/21566417/ron-rivera-presser-we-have-to-take-care-of-our-own-business-we-cant-worry-about-anybody-else[/url]

Nothing to see here move along ... move along...[/quote]

I watched his presser. He does a masterful job of saying a lot of things without saying anything at all. A standard coach press conference.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=sevier2;1265292]Smith had 55 attempts in his first game back after 2 years and a brutal injury.

I understand we were down early and had to throw, but [B]you can't expect an older guy to hold up after not playing for so long.[/B][/quote]

Alex Smith held up fine. Not much more he could have done in my opinion other than start faster, but that's not all on him. This one was all on the D...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1265312]Alex Smith held up fine. Not much more he could have done in my opinion other than start faster, but that's not all on him. This one was all on the D...[/quote]

I agree, the defense has looked ineffective lately.

I just felt like they put a lot on Alex’s plate/didn’t really do much to help him transition back after such a long time between starts.

He’s a pro though so I guess it comes with the job.

Re: Lions PG
 

Fun fact from Reddit.

We are 1-31 in our last 32 games playing teams starting their starting qb (aka their starting qb isn't injured). The one win was week 1 against Carson Wentz.

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[quote=mooby;1265314]Fun fact from Reddit.

We are 1-31 in our last 32 games playing teams starting their starting qb (aka their starting qb isn't injured). The one win was week 1 against Carson Wentz.[/quote]

That is not a "fun" fact. That is F'n ridiculous.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=mooby;1265314]Fun fact from Reddit.

We are 1-31 in our last 32 games playing teams starting their starting qb (aka their starting qb isn't injured). The one win was week 1 against Carson Wentz.[/quote]

That is next level atrocious. We legitimately might be the worst team in the NFL. Wish we played the Jets this year.

Re: Lions PG
 

I raked leaves today and later found myself watching, and rooting for, the Ravens? The apocalypse has finally arrived.

Re: Lions PG
 

[QUOTE=mooby;1265314]Fun fact from Reddit.

We are 1-31 in our last 32 games playing teams starting their starting qb (aka their starting qb isn't injured). The one win was week 1 against Carson Wentz.[/QUOTE]


Wow

Re: Lions PG
 

Strange game.

The first drive not ending with points, the mist 43 yarder, Terry's fumble and CY penalty are all killers.

This D is an enigma to me. They were soft as Normandie butter early. Then made some key stops to allow the comeback, then couldn't stop a 16 seconds left FG drive... (which Stafford is excellent at, one of the most underrated players in the league IMO).

Alex Smith played way better than what we could expect out of him, not on him.

Also don't forget we got a couple of nice breaks: the tipped pass completed to Wright (IIRC) that could've easily gone the other way, the PI and then holding calls on Trufant, the facemask flag on CY being picked up (good call IMO but that flag stays 70%+ of the time...).

Better team won. We gotta play for 60 minutes if we want to get Ws ...

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1265321]Strange game.

The first drive not ending with points, the mist 43 yarder, Terry's fumble and CY penalty are all killers.

This D is an enigma to me. They were soft as Normandie butter early. Then made some key stops to allow the comeback, then couldn't stop a 16 seconds left FG drive... (which Stafford is excellent at, one of the most underrated players in the league IMO).

Alex Smith played way better than what we could expect out of him, not on him.

Also don't forget we got a couple of nice breaks: the tipped pass completed to Wright (IIRC) that could've easily gone the other way, the PI and then holding calls on Trufant, the facemask flag on CY being picked up (good call IMO but that flag stays 70%+ of the time...).

Better team won. We gotta play for 60 minutes if we want to get Ws ...[/quote]

I agree 100% with pretty much everything you wrote here.

This team hasn't played 60 minutes of good football yet this year. The offense has played good at times, and the defense has played really good at times. However, the inconsistency on both sides is frustrating. I will give the offense a pass, considering there have been 3 different quarterbacks probably 6 or 8 different receivers, and 8 or 9 office of linemen, on top of installing a new system.

The defense, however, they don't get a pass. They need to step up.

Re: Lions PG
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1265322]I agree 100% with pretty much everything you wrote here.



This team hasn't played 60 minutes of good football yet this year. The offense has played good at times, and the defense has played really good at times. However, the inconsistency on both sides is frustrating. I will give the offense a pass, considering there have been 3 different quarterbacks probably 6 or 8 different receivers, and 8 or 9 office of linemen, on top of installing a new system.



The defense, however, they don't get a pass. They need to step up.[/QUOTE]Yeah exactly my sentiment, we're allowed to expect more out of this Defense.

Plus as a D you need to play 60 minutes. It's OK for an Offense to only put 3 and half drives together if you score 24 points out of them and be dead the rest of the game.

But as a Defense, a couple of impressive stops and sacks do you no good if you give up 3 huge TD plays and can't stop the run for 2 quarters. ..

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[QUOTE=mooby;1265314]Fun fact from Reddit.

We are 1-31 in our last 32 games playing teams starting their starting qb (aka their starting qb isn't injured). The one win was week 1 against Carson Wentz.[/QUOTE]


That’s depressing.


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Re: Lions PG
 

So last year Manusky took a lot of blame. Somewhere he has to be 😂. We are seeing the same stuff as we did last year. Broken coverages, missed tackles and lack of pass rush. Where was it yesterday?This defense is such garbage.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1265325]So last year Manusky took a lot of blame. Somewhere he has to be 😂. We are seeing the same stuff as we did last year. Broken coverages, missed tackles and lack of pass rush. Where was it yesterday?This defense is such garbage.[/quote]

Along with Jay gruden on offense with a 40-something year old on a broken leg throwing 50 times. Going 60 yards and taking 16 plays to do so.

The decision making process and coaching has been a let down so far. Also In a year I expect us to be talking about hiring a real GM and separating Rivera from those responsibilities.



Our only hope is Dan is forced to sell the team.

Re: Lions PG
 

Why was Haskins allowed to start the season if he was never the guy?

Why was Cornelius Lucas and Wes Schweitzer not starting on the left side on the Oline when they have been heads and tails better than Geron Christian and Wes Martin?

The dishonesty and bullshit flowing from Rivera...I don’t see a fucking culture change when we don’t play the best players from the onset. Horseshit

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1265321]Strange game.

The first drive not ending with points, the mist 43 yarder, Terry's fumble and CY penalty are all killers.

This D is an enigma to me. They were soft as Normandie butter early. Then made some key stops to allow the comeback, then couldn't stop a 16 seconds left FG drive... (which Stafford is excellent at, one of the most underrated players in the league IMO).

Alex Smith played way better than what we could expect out of him, not on him.

Also don't forget we got a couple of nice breaks: the tipped pass completed to Wright (IIRC) that could've easily gone the other way, the PI and then holding calls on Trufant, the facemask flag on CY being picked up (good call IMO but that flag stays 70%+ of the time...).

Better team won. We gotta play for 60 minutes if we want to get Ws ...[/quote]

Great points.. This loss is because of the defense - our Dline players did not generate any significant pressure on Stafford. Also, the defense played really deep in Stafford's last drive which made it easy for Stafford to make a couple of throws to reach to Prater's FG range. I knew that would happen when I recognized how deep our DBs were when Stafford was ready to snap the ball.

While Smith played better than we expected, he showed he was the same QB in the first half. I don't know if that is due to Turner's play-calling or Smith was being conserve as usual. The offense must have good start in the first half to keep us in the game. The offense always started slow in first half and then come to wake up in the second half, this trend cannot continue if we want to win games.

Despite the loss, I did see a few positives. Kamren Curl and Isaiah Wright continue to show us why they should be on the field. I realized this in the game yesterday, I haven't heard much about Ronald Darby since the opener game, which is a good thing. I wasn't a fan of signing Darby when we signed him but now I would consider signing him to an extension. I'm still concerned about his injury history though.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chico23231;1265328]Why was Haskins allowed to start the season if he was never the guy?

Why was Cornelius Lucas and Wes Schweitzer not starting on the left side on the Oline when they have been heads and tails better than Geron Christian and Wes Martin?

The dishonesty and bullshit flowing from Rivera...I don’t see a fucking culture change when we don’t play the best players from the onset. Horseshit[/quote]

You want wins this year, Rivera wants (or wanted now that he realized we are not far off from clinching the division) to evaluate everyone on the roster this year. Big difference.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1265321]Strange game.

The first drive not ending with points, the mist 43 yarder, Terry's fumble and CY penalty are all killers.

This D is an enigma to me. They were soft as [B]Normandie butter[/B] early. Then made some key stops to allow the comeback, then couldn't stop a 16 seconds left FG drive... (which Stafford is excellent at, one of the most underrated players in the league IMO).

Alex Smith played way better than what we could expect out of him, not on him.

Also don't forget we got a couple of nice breaks: the tipped pass completed to Wright (IIRC) that could've easily gone the other way, the PI and then holding calls on Trufant, the facemask flag on CY being picked up (good call IMO but that flag stays 70%+ of the time...).

Better team won. We gotta play for 60 minutes if we want to get Ws ...[/quote]

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Re: Lions PG
 

Rivera doesn’t know what the hell he wants, multiple times this season he has contradicted himself with decision making.

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[quote=GridIron26;1265329]Great points.. This loss is because of the defense - our Dline players did not generate any significant pressure on Stafford. Also, the defense played really deep in Stafford's last drive which made it easy for Stafford to make a couple of throws to reach to Prater's FG range. I knew that would happen when I recognized how deep our DBs were when Stafford was ready to snap the ball.

While Smith played better than we expected, he showed he was the same QB in the first half. I don't know if that is due to Turner's play-calling or Smith was being conserve as usual. The offense must have good start in the first half to keep us in the game. The offense always started slow in first half and then come to wake up in the second half, this trend cannot continue if we want to win games.

Despite the loss, I did see a few positives. [B]Kamren Curl and Isaiah Wright continue to show us why they should be on the field. I realized this in the game yesterday, I haven't heard much about Ronald Darby since the opener game, which is a good thing. I wasn't a fan of signing Darby when we signed him but now I would consider signing him to an extension.[/B] I'm still concerned about his injury history though.[/quote]

I agree...another example, Curl and Everette seem like a better safety combo than Apke and Collins.

Who in the fuck thought Apke was a starting safety at the beginning of season? It’s absolute 🤡 shit. Who is the retard who made that call?

Also...Bostic is a terrible LB. fucking horrible decision to bring him back

Darby been a great signing, he’s played well all year.

Re: Lions PG
 

Outside of Holcomb all the LBs are garbage. Need to wipe the slate clean there in the offseason.

Re: Lions PG
 

Holcomb looks great...KPL is ok, but we need a middle linebacker to bring the defense together and take it too next level. We need linebacker who can clean up the run behind a dline that eats up the proper space...but we can’t finish.

Re: Lions PG
 

It's hard to understand what it is about this defense that is so bad. Statistically it's a decent defense. But there are unmeasurable qualities that make it terrible. No matter what, this defense will always put the opposing team in a position to win the game. We blame coordinators, replace them, and it gets no better. We spend loads of first round draft picks trying to improve it, and it gets no better. We replace head coaches, sign free agents, and nothing gets better. Occasionally, it will play a good game. But we know what they say about stopped clocks. Usually, it will play two good quarters of football. But it typically allows other teams to take early leads, and it never stops opposing teams late in close games. When Antonio Pierce was in the middle and Gregg Williams the coordinator, it was a good defense. Since then it's been a perennial disappointment. I don't think it matters who we draft, sign, or have coaching. My theory is this: because defense much more than offense demands motivation and pride, the continual underperformance of the team's defense from year to year is a symptom of the team's dysfunction, unprofessionalism, and lack of accountability.

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Well I'm back in last seasons mode...play hard, but better to have the loss and stay in the hunt for a top 5 pick and just hope that they get a QB that will be good for years...and hopefully the owner won't make the pick.

Re: Lions PG
 

It’s coaching .. it’s a mind set .. culture if you will ..at this moment we are among the worst in all of pro sports .. yea the jets maybe bad but they would beat us because we would help them beat us .. that’s the deal .WE BEAT OURSELVES!! .. maybe we need to quit drafting the best player available and actually trade down for best player for what the team needs ( which is a lot) .. we had a pretty good D line before draft last year .. what we needed was Middle Linebacker and DB .. we could have gotten at least 2 huge upgrade starters with that pick instead of a pass rusher that is really not making a huge difference ..this team does way better with the mid round picks .I’m not saying Young is not good on the right team he would be lights out however this is not looking like a great fit ..

Re: Lions PG
 

Offense - I think we are starting to get a good look at what Scott Turner's offensive scheme is. QB makes quick read and throws to the safest option. This is usually a back out of the backfield (1st read by design), a back as a check down (2nd or 3rd read) or a receiver/te underneath.

Very few designed throws outside the numbers.

Lions up 24-3 in the 3rd quarter allowed our underneath offense to click. Alex Smith was something like 11 consecutive catches and like 25/30. Then with the game close, we started to struggle with the underneath/middle of the field stuff as the Lions adjusted their D.

Play action? Have we seen a single legit PA long ball this year?

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Cornelius Lucas has a solid 72.6 PFF grade.
Wes Schweitzer a 64.1.
Chase Roullier 70.1
Brandon Scherff 77.7
Morgan Moses 78.0

Morgan Moses has stepped up this year. When he moved to LT and Sharpe came in, we saw a big drop off in play on that right side.

O line coach gets a ton of credit from me and makes we wonder if Callahan was too immune for criticism around here. I think Jay made a mistake giving Callahan majority say in how the run game would be designed and called.

Re: Lions PG
 

I go outside for a minute thinking I would be back in to watch over time only to see the Lions celebrating. LOL

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Apke in bc Everett suffered a high ankle sprain that may sideline him for a few weeks.

Appears Curl-Apke may be the duo for a few weeks.

And Im fine with that (because im fine with losing, Im a good loser).

I really do think this is the best 2-7 team in the history of the NFL. We are a few good starters away from being an above .500 team.