Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

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What else can you say, he balled the hell out against TB and also looked very good against Carolina. So now the obvious question for the future, is he a legit starting QB? At the very least he's certainly earned a spot going forward as a backup, no question he should be brought back next year. I think there are legit concerns about his durability. A guy his size just can't get away with playing as recklessly as he does and survive a full season. I also think his arm strength isn't quite what you want, but he throws with good anticipation to make up for it.

What do you guys think?

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Love him, he needs to be here after that performance.

I just can't go into next season with him as the starter though. In his NFL debut on Christmas in 2017 with the Texans, he came in for TJ Yates after he got hurt, and Heinicke suffered a concussion. In the only other game he ever started in his NFL career, he broke his collarbone. And then in this game against the Bucs, he separates his shoulder.

He's not built to withstand the rigors of an NFL season, and if he plays like you'd want him to (AKA scramble and dive for the pylon like that), he won't make it past the first 4 games, lock.

But he's a great backup. I'd still look to acquire QBx in the offseason, someone with credibility who we could go into the season with confidence. I'd prefer to aim very high. Taylor can back that player up and put us in a position where if we need to get by for a few games without our guy, we won't miss a beat.

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I'd be OK bringing him and Allen back to battle it out, but that's likely for QB2. I think after the other night he offers more than Allen, but we'll be looking at what happens in camp, not 1 game in January. Taylor has to stay healthy to be considered a legitimate option as either '1 or '2, but I certainly don't see him as able to stay the starter for 3-5 seasons. Might not make it 3-5 games!

Must draft a QB1 this year or next.

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[quote=Schneed10;1273630]Love him, he needs to be here after that performance.

I just can't go into next season with him as the starter though. In his NFL debut on Christmas in 2017 with the Texans, he came in for TJ Yates after he got hurt, and Heinicke suffered a concussion. In the only other game he ever started in his NFL career, he broke his collarbone. And then in this game against the Bucs, he separates his shoulder.

He's not built to withstand the rigors of an NFL season, and if he plays like you'd want him to (AKA scramble and dive for the pylon like that), he won't make it past the first 4 games, lock.

But he's a great backup. I'd still look to acquire QBx in the offseason, someone with credibility who we could go into the season with confidence. I'd prefer to aim very high. Taylor can back that player up and put us in a position where if we need to get by for a few games without our guy, we won't miss a beat.[/quote]

I think this sums it up for me as well. Loved what he did, I just don't think he's sustainable as a starter. I think he'll be a great back up, probably even better than Kyle Allen IMO.

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Loved the gutsy performance. Seems to make good reads and is decisive with the ball. Appears to have a somewhat weaker arm but can get the ball there. Good scrambling.

But I dont think you can rely on him as a starter bc of durability concerns.

Kyle Allen is our backup QB and Id like to draft a late round Qb to develop as our QB3.

Colt McCoy 2.0 imo.

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[quote=Schneed10;1273630]Love him, he needs to be here after that performance.

I just can't go into next season with him as the starter though. In his NFL debut on Christmas in 2017 with the Texans, he came in for TJ Yates after he got hurt, and Heinicke suffered a concussion. In the only other game he ever started in his NFL career, he broke his collarbone. And then in this game against the Bucs, he separates his shoulder.

He's not built to withstand the rigors of an NFL season, and if he plays like you'd want him to (AKA scramble and dive for the pylon like that), he won't make it past the first 4 games, lock.

But he's a great backup. I'd still look to acquire QBx in the offseason, someone with credibility who we could go into the season with confidence. I'd prefer to aim very high. Taylor can back that player up and put us in a position where if we need to get by for a few games without our guy, we won't miss a beat.[/quote]

He looked so small compared to TB12 after the game.. I think he needs to bulk up for sure but he has potential. I agree though, he's not the starter

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[quote=SunnySide;1273636]Loved the gutsy performance. Seems to make good reads and is decisive with the ball. Appears to have a somewhat weaker arm but can get the ball there. Good scrambling.

But I dont think you can rely on him as a starter bc of durability concerns.

Kyle Allen is our backup QB and Id like to draft a late round Qb to develop as our QB3.

Colt McCoy 2.0 imo.[/quote]

So who do you have as the starter? Stafford?

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If Smith or Allen is on this team next year along with Heineken and Heineken earns the starting job then he plays until he gets injured. If he gets injured. Im just going to say that injuries are probably a little easier to come by when you are getting a start once every one to two years. Trying to do too much, always giving it 110 percent because you know you constantly have to prove yourself. Look how this latest injury occurred. A dive from the four yard line. That is a guy trying to prove himself.
If the bring in a Stafford than that changes everything. You certainly keep the man as a backup either way.
And Colt McCoy 2.0 he is not. Colt gets to stick around with his less than mediocre play because he went to Texas. Heineken played better in five quarters than McCoy has played in five years.

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He has earned the right to compete for the job. But they need to also draft someone and start drafting a QB every year, like Bobby B use to do.

Heinike needs to live in the weight room and get his body stronger. But some guys ( Jordan Reed) are not built for the NFL and he may be one of those guys.

As far as his performance you could not have asked for more. That was the best QBing we have seen since Cousins.

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[quote=punch it in;1273644]If Smith or Allen is on this team next year along with Heineken and Heineken earns the starting job then he plays until he gets injured. If he gets injured. Im just going to say that injuries are probably a little easier to come by when you are getting a start once every one to two years. Trying to do too much, always giving it 110 percent because you know you constantly have to prove yourself. Look how this latest injury occurred. A dive from the four yard line. That is a guy trying to prove himself.
If the bring in a Stafford than that changes everything. You certainly keep the man as a backup either way.[/quote]

I'd say Smith is out. I doubt they bring him back and he probably will retire anyway.

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Smith needs to hang it up, he did his job this yr and went out with a Win.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273639]So who do you have as the starter? Stafford?[/quote]

No one knows who the realistic options are at this point. Do we fall in love with Zach Wilson and trade up? Is a Stafford or Watson available for trade? Will Drew Brees or Jimmy G be released? Does Mac Jones or Trey Lance fall to #19? Do we pay Dak? Will Rodgers be traded?

Im hoping Stafford is available and reasonable ... or another vet becomes available bc of the shrinking cap situation.

I do know one thing. Even if I thought Heinicke was a starting caliber QB, I still wouldnt trust him with all my preseason 1st team reps bc by week 2 or 3, hes out and youre playing your backup.

Kid played great under the circumstances. While injuries can be random, we cant go another season playing 4 different QBs bc of injuries.

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i was very impressed very gutsy but solid backup in IMO..

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[quote=punch it in;1273644]If Smith or Allen is on this team next year along with Heineken and Heineken earns the starting job then he plays until he gets injured. If he gets injured. Im just going to say that injuries are probably a little easier to come by when you are getting a start once every one to two years. Trying to do too much, always giving it 110 percent because you know you constantly have to prove yourself. Look how this latest injury occurred. A dive from the four yard line. That is a guy trying to prove himself.
If the bring in a Stafford than that changes everything. You certainly keep the man as a backup either way.
And Colt McCoy 2.0 he is not. Colt gets to stick around with his less than mediocre play because he went to Texas. Heineken played better in five quarters than McCoy has played in five years.[/quote]

It wasn't the EZ dive he hurt it, it was on a subsequent sack. Landed on his left shoulder. Not down to his trying too hard, down to coming down a DL on top of him. That is going to happen quite frequently in the NFL, and does call into question his durability.

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[quote=SunnySide;1273636]Loved the gutsy performance. Seems to make good reads and is decisive with the ball. Appears to have a somewhat weaker arm but can get the ball there. Good scrambling.

But I dont think you can rely on him as a starter bc of durability concerns.

Kyle Allen is our backup QB and Id like to draft a late round Qb to develop as our QB3.

Colt McCoy 2.0 imo.[/quote]

Allen is a FA, not signed through next year. Can't see him being in demand elsewhere, but he's not guaranteed to be back. Plus he'd have to show he's 100% after that injury.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1273653]It wasn't the EZ dive he hurt it, it was on a subsequent sack. Landed on his left shoulder. Not down to his trying too hard, down to coming down a DL on top of him. That is going to happen quite frequently in the NFL, and does call into question his durability.[/QUOTE]



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He popped his AC joint out on the dive. The not so EZ dive lol.

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If I'm Rivera I'm feeling pretty good about the backup QB position assuming Allen and Heinicke both want to be back, but they have to be aggressive in adding a true QB1.

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[quote=MTK;1273662]If I'm Rivera I'm feeling pretty good about the backup QB position assuming Allen and Heinicke both want to be back, but they have to be aggressive in adding a true QB1.[/quote]

Yes I want this to be the plan. Although we also need to be prepared for the worst case scenario since the QB free agency is limited and we are not in a position to draft one of the top rookie QBs. If we cannot find a new #1 QB which means we might need to roll with Allen or Heinicke as starter next year.

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I'm not buying Watson will be available.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1273664]I'm not buying Watson will be available.[/quote]

We don't have the capital for Watson but I'd be all in on that.. He also wants to go to Miami per reports.

My guy is Stafford, I'd offer our 2nd round pick for him as well.

[url]https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/matthew-stafford/2[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273667]We don't have the capital for Watson but I'd be all in on that.. He also wants to go to Miami per reports.

My guy is Stafford, I'd offer our 2nd round pick for him as well.

[url]https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/matthew-stafford/2[/url][/quote]

i don't think Miami would be interested.

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Heinicke is a winner! Not even in the NFL a month ago , not bulked up and with almost NO game experience he has a phenomenal game! Sign him up NOW.

He’s either a GREAT BACKUP and/or he competes for the starter job! He will need to bulk up to survive a full season. Uber-intelligent QB, who has excellent mobility, KEEP HIM!


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[quote=skinsfan69;1273645]He has earned the right to compete for the job. But they need to also draft someone and start drafting a QB every year, like Bobby B use to do. [/quote]

Can't argue with this.
He seems like a really good football player that might not have the measurables. Even if his ceiling is Colt McCoy, we desperately need a solid QB even as a back.

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[quote=Warthog;1273670]Heinicke is a [B]winner[/B]! Not even in the NFL a month ago , not bulked up and with almost NO game experience he has a phenomenal game! Sign him up NOW.

He’s either a GREAT BACKUP and/or he competes for the starter job! He will need to bulk up to survive a full season. Uber-intelligent QB, who has excellent mobility, KEEP HIM!


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Lost every start he has had LOL JKJK

I am all in on TH, keep his ass here for sure

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He's earned the right not only to have a back up spot but to compete for the starting job IMO. Bring in a proven vet though, of course. I'd like a Mariota, Tyrod Taylor, or a Fitzpatrick, I'd like it to be a true QB competition. Of course if you can get a Watson or Stafford that's great but it'll be expensive.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1273673]Can't argue with this.

He seems like a really good football player that might not have the measurables. Even if his ceiling is Colt McCoy, we desperately need a solid QB even as a back.[/QUOTE]



How is everyone saying his ceiling is Colt McCoy. Based on five quarters it is clearly higher. Again im not saying he is the quarterback of the future but he might be. He has been fighting this doubt his whole career. Which is to be expected when you come out of Old Dominion. He has had two starts since being an undrafted fa. Two. One was awesome. He has earned the right to fight to be the starter. Not just a backup. Anyway time will tell but im rooting for this guy to stay healthy and be our quarterback going forward with more of a grasp of the system and more weapons around him including a run game. What i saw the other night was not a fluke. No way.

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I really like TH. At the very least he has earned an offer to come back and compete next year. I'm not going to say that he isn't built to withstand the rigors of an NFL season, especially if he has an offseason with the team / trainers, but I am a little concerned about his durability given his style of play. Anyway, he definitely has to be considered. Coming off the street, he looked better than all three of the other QBs that started a game this year.

I'm not opposed to see if Kyle Allen wants to come back and compete, but personally I wouldn't bring him back. That was a pretty good injury he suffered, and it appears that TH is better; and I don't see either of them being the long term starter. I say wash your hands of Kyle Allen, bring back TH, sign a Veteran QB, draft a QB, and have a fierce competition for QB1, QB2, and QB3.

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Definitely concerned with his durability, but at the least he's earned the right to compete in camp. Long term I'm not confident in his ability to stay healthy though, which is the #1 thing you need at this level. Think Brady said it best, the most valuable thing you can offer your team is being available. I don't mind that he plays balls out, but if playing balls out means he misses time often than it won't work out.

I still think Ron is going to go after someone this offseason.

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I can remember a time when we could have said, "F***** RG3". So I think we need to let the dust settle a bit. It was one game. RG3 played an entire year at a very high level. But once NFL D coordinators have had whole off season to review tape and plan, the next chapter may not be so bright.

Clearly Heineke has earned the right to be brought back to compete for No. 1 QB next year. But beyond that, I think we need to wait and see what happens.

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[QUOTE=Ohioskins;1273681]I can remember a time when we could have said, "F***** RG3". So I think we need to let the dust settle a bit. It was one game. RG3 played an entire year at a very high level. But once NFL D coordinators have had whole off season to review tape and plan, the next chapter may not be so bright.



Clearly Heineke has earned the right to be brought back to compete for No. 1 QB next year. But beyond that, I think we need to wait and see what happens.[/QUOTE]



Except RG-3 was 90 percent legs that made him electric. I think Heineken can actually stand back there and throw from the pocket if given protection.

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[quote=punch it in;1273677]How is everyone saying his ceiling is Colt McCoy. Based on five quarters it is clearly higher. Again im not saying he is the quarterback of the future but he might be. [/quote]

Well there is Flutie, McCoy, and Brees.
Maybe Jeff Garcia.

McCoy had the big college career and some really good Pro games. I think that is a respectable and likely comparison.

It's time to stop putting Titos in your Kool-aid if you are thinking he is showing Drew Brees potential. Heinike has to earn that.

Colt Brennan Version 2.0

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Definitely wouldn't mention TH in the same breath as Brees but comparing him to Colt Brennan is just as dumb.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1273685]Well there is Flutie, McCoy, and Brees.

Maybe Jeff Garcia.



McCoy had the big college career and some really good Pro games. I think that is a respectable and likely comparison.



It's time to stop putting Titos in your Kool-aid if you are thinking he is showing Drew Brees potential. Heinike has to earn that.



Colt Brennan Version 2.0[/QUOTE]



McCoy had a big college career at Texas. Since when is ODU an nfl pipeline. Lol. Ive said numerous times he has to earn the starting job. Never compared him to a hall of famer. Lol. Im just betting on him being the guy at this point. Again time will tell.

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I understand the concerns about Heinicke's durability, and QB isn't a position you should feel certain after a game and a half anyway... But I'd be curious to see how he looks after a full offseason with access to an NFL facility. Remember he was in university in early December...

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He popped his AC joint out on the dive. The not so EZ dive lol.[/quote]

Didn't hear them say anything at that point or see him struggling on the sideline. He only came out on the subsequent 3rd down sack and hadn't looked hurt to that point. Must have been toughing it out in between!

I really like him and want to see him back at least as #2, but his injury history is a worry, and popping your shoulder on an almost unopposed dive only reinforces that.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1273689]Didn't hear them say anything at that point or see him struggling on the sideline. He only came out on the subsequent 3rd down sack and hadn't looked hurt to that point. Must have been toughing it out in between!

I really like him and want to see him back at least as #2, but his injury history is a worry, and [B]popping your shoulder on an almost unopposed dive only reinforces that[/B].[/quote]

This is just plain wrong. When you play a sport that involves contact with other players and with the ground, there are times when a slight nudge can cause you to hit the ground differently than your body is naturally setting itself for. In basketball, I was forever turning my ankle either being bumped on the way down from a rebound, or my foot landing unexpectedly on someone's foot. In football, on a play like this, he is diving forward and his body is bracing for the landing. As he is bumped by the defenders, his body rotates slightly and he lands on his shoulder. This is how guys get hurt, and to pretend that it is somehow because his body is weak or soft is just wrong.

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[quote=Number44;1273699][B]This is just plain wrong.[/B] When you play a sport that involves contact with other players and with the ground, there are times when a slight nudge can cause you to hit the ground differently than your body is naturally setting itself for. In basketball, I was forever turning my ankle either being bumped on the way down from a rebound, or my foot landing unexpectedly on someone's foot. In football, on a play like this, he is diving forward and his body is bracing for the landing. As he is bumped by the defenders, his body rotates slightly and he lands on his shoulder. This is how guys get hurt, and to pretend that it is somehow because his body is weak or soft is just wrong.[/quote]

Maybe, but fact is he's played in what - three NFL games. Didn't finish the first two, and separated his shoulder in the third. Durability is a valid concern.

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The kid did a great job, and he should be invited to camp...to compete for the backup job, we still need a solid starter..and puleeeeeeeeeez stop with the Stafford talk...he's old we need someone younger for the long haul,I wouldn't mind a Sam Darnold or Mitch Travinski.

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Stafford is 32, hardly old by QB standards. He could easily have 5+ seasons left of high quality ball.