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Sources: The Washington Football Team is finalizing a deal with Marty Hurney to be its new GM. The Team should announce the move later today.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274513]Sources: The Washington Football Team is finalizing a deal with Marty Hurney to be its new GM. The Team should announce the move later today.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the Washington Panthers.

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Hope they lose every game lol. Ron is getting fired in year three or four. Terrible hire... When they start losing, watch Snyder get involved. This will then lead to Rivera leaving or getting fired. He will never get a hc job if he get's axed again.

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I saw speculation from one media member, don’t remember who, that Ron had made some indication about 2 GMs. If Kyle Smith stays on, and Hurney is here for 2-3 just to show him the ropes of the other aspects of being a GM outside of talent evaluation, I love it. If Hurney becomes the de facto talent evaluator and Kyle Smith leaves, I hate it.

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I hate hate hate it lol.

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I'm fine with it. Of course it will be interesting to see how the dominoes fall now with Kyle Smith. Does he remain the VP of player personnel? Does he get an assistant GM title?

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274516]I saw speculation from one media member, don’t remember who, that Ron had made some indication about 2 GMs. If Kyle Smith stays on, and Hurney is here for 2-3 just to show him the ropes of the other aspects of being a GM outside of talent evaluation, I love it. If Hurney becomes the de facto talent evaluator and Kyle Smith leaves, I hate it.[/quote]

It would be a brilliant move by Rivera if it's the former.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1274515]Hope they lose every game lol. Ron is getting fired in year three or four. Terrible hire... When they start losing, watch Snyder get involved. This will then lead to Rivera leaving or getting fired. He will never get a hc job if he get's axed again.[/quote]

It's Tuesday bud - you're a little late for Overreaction Monday...

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Find a QB that's #1

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I pray that he’s here to mentor Smith and nothing else. I hope Kyle is ok with it or we are royally fucked, because this would be like trading a Ferrari for a Yugo.

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Kyle Smith to either the Rams or 49ers. This was brought up by Chris Russel's article. I could see that. He leaves after the draft. Hey we have the Ravens lol. JK.

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Notable Hurney draft picks:

Julius Peppers
Thomas Davis
DeAngelo Williams
Ryan Kalil
Cam Newton
Luke Kuechly
Josh Norman
DJ Moore
Brian Burns
Derrick Brown
CMAC

That's a pretty good list, yeah he has some duds but all GM's do.

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I see this as a good thing, Ron is thinking first and foremost about organizational structure. He's looking for someone experienced who will see the big picture, and the 2nd banana he's looking at (like a Ryan Cowden, etc.) is somebody who will oversee the scouts and put together the draft board.

Will be interesting to see who he gets to be that 2nd banana. I'm not sure a Ryan Cowden would move from his current spot in Tennessee if it's not for a lead dog type role. Maybe it's still Kyle, who knows.

But either way, Ron is realizing he needs a hierarchy in place. He needs someone who can help him make deals; negotiate on behalf of the organization for both player contracts and trades, and put together the big picture for roster building. And he needs someone to report in to that guy who will put together the draft board and do all the work required to have a strong draft. The preparation for the draft is a job where the horizon is always one year out, and it's too much work to think any differently than that. But the GM needs to be looking 3, maybe 5 years down the road. He can't be bogged down in the draft prep.

In a year where a big QB trade may be the most important decision we make, I don't want an inexperienced draft guru doing the negotiating. I look at this as another step we're taking towards becoming a grown-up organization.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274527]Notable Hurney draft picks:

Julius Peppers
Thomas Davis
DeAngelo Williams
Ryan Kalil
Cam Newton
Luke Kuechly
Josh Norman
DJ Moore
Brian Burns
Derrick Brown
CMAC

That's a pretty good list, yeah he has some duds but all GM's do.[/quote]

Traditionally they hit on their 1st rounders. That's important.

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Sources: #WFT Rivera Plan - Hire Hurney Plus Another 'GM-Caliber' Staffer [url]https://si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/sources-washington-football-rivera-plan-hire-hurney-plus-another-gm-caliber-staffer[/url] via
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Marty Hurney
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marty HurneyWashington Football Team
Position: General manager

Personal information
Born: December 20, 1955 (age 65)
Wheaton, Maryland
Career information
High school: Our Lady of Good Counsel
(Olney, Maryland)
College: Catholic University

Career history
As executive:

Washington Redskins (1988–1989)
Public relations
San Diego Chargers (1990–1997)
Assistant general manager
Carolina Panthers (1998)
Director of football administration
Carolina Panthers (1999–2001)
Director of player operations
Carolina Panthers (2002–2012, 2017–2020)
General manager
Washington Football Team (2021–present)
General manager

Marty Hurney (born December 20, 1955) is a general manager of the Washington Football Team. He previously served as the general manager of the Carolina Panthers of the National Football League (NFL), and was also an assistant general manager under Bobby Beathard for the San Diego Chargers in the 1990s.

Early years
Hurney was born on December 20, 1955,[1] and grew up in Wheaton, Maryland.[2] He attended Good Counsel High School and Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Hurney[/url]

[url]https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/gallery/panthers-marty-hurney-draft-picks-history/[/url]

^^ breakdown of all of his draft picks. Some tendencies - he likes to take QBs in the 3-5 round range (and misses on them). Mostly good drafts.

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An old Panthers retread.

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Oh well. Hopefully KS stays, but if I was betting money, I think he's gone.

Rivera is getting to build the franchise his way. We have already seen improvements, so I'll be patient with the move and optimistic he has a successful plan in place.

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Overwhelmingly, QBs drafted in the third round or later are "misses." I don't think you can judge his work by that nugget.

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More cronyism from Ron.

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[quote=MTK;1274518]I'm fine with it. Of course it will be interesting to see how the dominoes fall now with Kyle Smith. Does he remain the VP of player personnel? Does he get an assistant GM title?[/quote]

Yup, I think the title bump is due and should be a strong consideration with a weak GM hire.

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[quote=jamf;1274546]More cronyism from Ron.[/quote]

You'd be hard pressed to find any team, or any company in general, that doesn't prioritize relationships when hiring.

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Marty Hurney was fired twice by the Panthers.

Really wish we got one of the young guys from the Chargers or the Titans

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[quote=MTK;1274557]You'd be hard pressed to find any team, or any company in general, that doesn't prioritize relationships when hiring.[/quote]

Yep. It is the norm.

I'm fine with the hire. Interested to see who this second front office hire is going to be...Mayhew, Cowden, Smith, Stokes?

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[quote=Chico23231;1274560]Marty Hurney was fired twice by the Panthers.

Really wish we got one of the young guys from the Chargers or the Titans[/quote]

Guess that means he was also hired twice...

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I dont think Ron trusts young guys ... but then he trusted 38 year old, never been an OC, to be his OC on a new team with roster limitations on offense.

Hurney has some good consistent drafts, read the knock on him is he isnt good with the cap and gives friendly contracts to homegrown guys.

Only thing I do know is the buck stops with Ron. I think clearly he is the leader and alone atop the organizational chart.

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[quote=SunnySide;1274565]I dont think Ron trusts young guys ... but then he trusted 38 year old, never been an OC, to be his OC on a new team with roster limitations on offense.

[B]Hurney has some good consistent drafts, read the knock on him is he isnt good with the cap and gives friendly contracts to homegrown guys. [/B]

Only thing I do know is the buck stops with Ron. I think clearly he is the leader and alone atop the organizational chart.[/quote]

So we're resigning Scherff? Sweet.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274527]Notable Hurney draft picks:

Julius Peppers
Thomas Davis
DeAngelo Williams
Ryan Kalil
Cam Newton
Luke Kuechly
Josh Norman
DJ Moore
Brian Burns
Derrick Brown
CMAC

That's a pretty good list, yeah he has some duds but all GM's do.[/quote]

And he did that in how many years? 14? Kyle has done that in 3 years.

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If Kyle Smith doesnt draft Terry McLaurin ... Id say his draft (2019-2020) were not impressive (at this early stage of judgment).

But he did draft Terry. And he did stand on the table, put his neck out to strongly oppose drafting Dwayne Haskins when everyone else was afraid to say anything bc it was the owners pick (im editorializing).

I also think Snyder has black balled Kyle Smith to RR and RR doesnt mind having to pick someone he already knows. Just my pure fan speculation but if that article I read yesterday is half true ... Kyle Smith basically dressed down Dan Snyder in front of the entire staff right before the Dwayne Haskins pick and we all know Dan Snyder is a vindictive little bitch who demands everyone call him "Mr. Snyder" and to not look at him in his eyes.

I imagine Kyle Smith cant wait to get the hell out of here. Much like everyone else who has had the pleasure of working for Dan Snyder. You go in clean, you come out dirty as hell. At least there isnt a Bruce around to smear campaign people on their way out.

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During an interview with Redskins Nation, Smith broke down these two steals.

"We were excited that Terry was there," said Smith. "He's kind of a Swiss Army knife we call it because he has the skillset to fit in to each position at wideout. As an X, the guy can roll. I mean, he ran a 4.3 40, he can take the top of off coverage, as a slot receiver, he's got route ability, he's got instincts and toughness. As a Z, he is a point of attack guy because he blocks his butt off and then as you mentioned, the special teams value of this guy is off the charts and then another high, high character guy, one of the best character guys that we did."
1COMMENTS

Love was a player analysts and fans alike did not see the Redskins picking, but this was a player who Washington loved, and they couldn't help but write his name on the draft card.

"This kid, unbelievable," said Smith. "2017 he finished what, second in the Heisman? He was 2,000 yards rushing, eight-point something average, tremendous production, he had an unfortunate injury this year in the last game of the year with the ACL. He's (ahead of) schedule of coming back, we are going to take it slow with him but at that position, fourth round — it was a pick that — the guy was graded so high we couldn't pass him up. So we will add him to the mix and we'll take it slow and be patient with him."

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-football-team/Article/Kyle-Smith-breaks-down-Redskins-draft-class-Terry-McLaurin-Bryce-Love-131738497/[/url]

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[quote][B]I also think Snyder has black balled Kyle Smith[/B] to RR and RR doesnt mind having to pick someone he already knows. Just my pure fan speculation but if that article I read yesterday is half true ... Kyle Smith basically dressed down Dan Snyder in front of the entire staff right before the Dwayne Haskins pick and we all know Dan Snyder is a vindictive little bitch who demands everyone call him "Mr. Snyder" and to not look at him in his eyes.[/quote]

The only problem with that is Kyle was promoted a year after he disagreed with the DH pick. If anything, since DH has been released, that should give RR even more confidence in Kyle's intuition.

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[quote=Schneed10;1274529]I see this as a good thing, Ron is thinking first and foremost about organizational structure. He's looking for someone experienced who will see the big picture, and the 2nd banana he's looking at (like a Ryan Cowden, etc.) is somebody who will oversee the scouts and put together the draft board.

Will be interesting to see who he gets to be that 2nd banana. I'm not sure a Ryan Cowden would move from his current spot in Tennessee if it's not for a lead dog type role. Maybe it's still Kyle, who knows.

But either way, Ron is realizing he needs a hierarchy in place. He needs someone who can help him make deals; negotiate on behalf of the organization for both player contracts and trades, and put together the big picture for roster building. And he needs someone to report in to that guy who will put together the draft board and do all the work required to have a strong draft. The preparation for the draft is a job where the horizon is always one year out, and it's too much work to think any differently than that. But the GM needs to be looking 3, maybe 5 years down the road. He can't be bogged down in the draft prep.

In a year where a big QB trade may be the most important decision we make, I don't want an inexperienced draft guru doing the negotiating. I look at this as another step we're taking towards becoming a grown-up organization.[/quote]

I agree. I don't think Smith has the experience with non-draft matters to step up to GM right now, at least not and be immediately successful. If RR likes what he's seen and heard from him on the draft and UDFA, he'll want him mentored in the rest of the business and take over from Hurney IDC.

I can't help thinking that if RR had no faith at all in Smith to step up to GM, he'd have let him go after we lost to the Buccs. I'd say he wants him to be mentored into it.

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Good god some of you are just plain silly.

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I like the move, whether it be short or long term. All of these positions have been fluid over the last 20 years, and we need stability. The fastest way to do that is to bring in someone that is familiar with the "system", just like we did when our QB room was located in the rehab facility. Keeping Kyle on is important to me, but not as important as building quality into our processes for the long term.

-Mike-

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I am not wowed by this move which means it is probably a good hire.

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such a yawn hire. hurney is an old washed up gm. carolina north we have become...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1274627]such a yawn hire. hurney is an old washed up gm. [B]carolina north we have become[/B]...[/quote]

The Panthers won a lot more games during RR's tenure than the WFT won during the same time period. I'll take Carolina North if it means winning a few more games each year and competing for the division on an annual basis.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274516]I saw speculation from one media member, don’t remember who, that Ron had made some indication about 2 GMs. [B]If Kyle Smith stays on, and Hurney is here for 2-3 just to show him the ropes of the other aspects of being a GM outside of talent evaluation, I love it. If Hurney becomes the de facto talent evaluator and Kyle Smith leaves, I hate it.[/B][/quote]

You pretty much nailed it and ended the thread IMO.

We won't know much about how it's going before a couple of years, and with RR showing signs of turning this franchise around in year 1, I'll trust him on this one until I have a reason not to.

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Not happy with this retread. Hope they give Kyle a new title don't want to lose him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274541]An old Panthers retread.

[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/d5mI2F3MxCTJu/200.gif[/IMG]

Oh well. Hopefully KS stays, but if I was betting money, I think he's gone.

Rivera is getting to build the franchise his way. We have already seen improvements, so I'll be patient with the move and optimistic he has a successful plan in place.[/quote]


This

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His track record is not that great but I will trust Ron's process until the process doesn't bear results.

I think this means Kyle moving on somewhere he's more appreciated while I secretly hope he gets along great with Hurney and they develop a great rapport. Hopefully in 3 years time we're not sitting back looking at Rivera with regret while Smith joins the list of non-players succeeding elsewhere.

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[quote=mooby;1274644]His track record is not that great but I will trust Ron's process until the process doesn't bear results.

I think this means Kyle moving on somewhere he's more appreciated while I secretly hope he gets along great with Hurney and they develop a great rapport. Hopefully in 3 years time we're not sitting back looking at Rivera with regret while Smith joins the list of non-players succeeding elsewhere.[/quote]

You realize that after three years together in Carolina they were 15-1 and and in the Super Bowl right?