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In light of the upcoming Chauvin decision this week, seems like a good idea to contain it to one thread.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chauvin-trial-judge-says-maxine-waters-confrontational-protest-remarks-could-fuel-appeal/ar-BB1fPsRb?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

9/10 times I don't pay any mind to what Maxine Waters says, but if her comments actually damage the prosecution's case in the Chauvin trial I would be incredibly upset with her. Literally all she had to do was tone down the rhetoric until the decision is announced, now his entire trial might be jeopardized because her words might influence the jury to vote one way.

For the record I absolutely 100% think that kneeling on someone's neck for 9 minutes can, and has in this instance, killed them. Chauvin's entire thing seemed to be showing that he was in control of the situation, and that is why George Floyd isn't here today. He needs to be punished for his negligence.

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[quote=mooby;1281615]In light of the upcoming Chauvin decision this week, seems like a good idea to contain it to one thread.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chauvin-trial-judge-says-maxine-waters-confrontational-protest-remarks-could-fuel-appeal/ar-BB1fPsRb?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

9/10 times I don't pay any mind to what Maxine Waters says, but if her comments actually damage the prosecution's case in the Chauvin trial I would be incredibly upset with her. Literally all she had to do was tone down the rhetoric until the decision is announced, now his entire trial might be jeopardized because her words might influence the jury to vote one way.

For the record I absolutely 100% think that kneeling on someone's neck for 9 minutes can, and has in this instance, killed them. Chauvin's entire thing seemed to be showing that he was in control of the situation, and that is why George Floyd isn't here today. He needs to be punished for his negligence.[/quote]
Maxine Waters is an ass! If you think trump had anything to do(he did) with Jan 6 then you must believe she needs to be punished, you can't have it both ways!



Not you mooby , just in general.

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Just need a guilty verdict. I paid attention to the trial...the prosecutor did a fairly bad job. Defense was good.

Floyd died from the action of Chauvin. Other things may contributed but it’s all secondary

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Shit is going to be really ugly if there isn’t a guilty verdict

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We don't need a guilty verdict no matter what. We need a guilty verdict if he is guilty of a specific charge(s).

Note - I think he's guilty of at least manslaughter.

This is more of a general statement: We can't let fear of outcome be more important than the actual evidence/trial itself. Not fair to anyone that is accused of any crime.

Individual rights are way more important than group rights imo.

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Waters has just given grounds for appeal so says the Judge! The dumb ass!(Waters)

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1281628]Waters has just given grounds for appeal so says the Judge! The dumb ass!(Waters)[/QUOTE]She is not dumb, she knows her political clout rests on turmoil and distrust and fosters it every chance she gets to incite her base - much like Trump.

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The judge comments were spot on about Waters.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1281632]She is not dumb, she knows her political clout rests on turmoil and distrust and fosters it every chance she gets to incite her base - much like Trump.

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Yes , she is.

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Maxine Waters is an idiot.

Judge here probably should have taken his own advice and shut up as well. His comments give weight to any defense appeal and will certainly be paraded around by the appeal team .. but the big thing is judges dont like speaking on hypotheticals or what other courts may do, they stick to what is before them and their jurisprudence. here he did both.

Riots are going to happen no matter what.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1281627]We don't need a guilty verdict no matter what. [B]We need a guilty verdict if he is guilty of a specific charge(s)[/B].

Note - I think he's guilty of at least manslaughter.

This is more of a general statement: We can't let fear of outcome be more important than the actual evidence/trial itself. Not fair to anyone that is accused of any crime.

Individual rights are way more important than group rights imo.[/quote]

I think that is an important point. One of the biggest mistakes that Marilyn Mosby made in the Freddie Gray trials was charging every single officer he came in contact for his death. This was as close to a slam dunk as you get almost as close as this Chauvin case yet not a single guilty verdict.

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Joe Biden
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Remember: every example of violence Donald Trump decries has happened on his watch. Under his leadership. During his presidency.


This still remains a fact under Biden. All the mass shootings, violence in the big cities and all the bullshit riots we’ve seen. Biden is responsible for all of it

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Justice served..the system works and kills the narrative

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^ It doesn’t always work but thankfully it did today

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[quote=MTK;1281696]^ It doesn’t always work but thankfully it did today[/quote]

Mtk, u sound like the msnbc guy mad this evening because he couldn’t get to bitch about the injustice tonight.

And there quite a few of those takes, completely the worst, bad faith I’ve seen.

Well that’s not the worst...Pelosi took the crown.

Well at least until Biden takes credit later tonight.

Thanks to Trump administration, specifically Barr removing the plea option of 3rd degree off the table as too soon and too lenient

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[quote=Chico23231;1281692]
All the mass shootings, violence in the big cities and all the bullshit riots we’ve seen. Biden is responsible for all of it[/quote]

Drunk uncle at it again..........................

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[quote=Chico23231;1281698]Mtk, u sound like the msnbc guy mad this evening because he couldn’t get to bitch about the injustice tonight.

And there quite a few of those takes, completely the worst, bad faith I’ve seen.

Well that’s not the worst...Pelosi took the crown.

Well at least until Biden takes credit later tonight.

Thanks to Trump administration, specifically Barr removing the plea option of 3rd degree off the table as too soon and too lenient[/quote]

Not mad at all, totally relieved mostly, and thankful.

Just stating the fact the system isn't perfect but it worked in this case.

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[quote=MTK;1281720]Not mad at all, totally relieved mostly, and thankful.

Just stating the fact the system isn't perfect but it worked in this case.[/quote]

It feels weird that he was found guilty of everything. Like everything has been such shit for the past couple years, this just seems like it went too easy. Maybe the tides are turning.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1281726]It feels weird that he was found guilty of everything. Like everything has been such shit for the past couple years, this just seems like it went too easy. Maybe the tides are turning.[/quote]

It was the right verdict no doubt...I was a little surprised all charges were found guilty.

I think something loss in the trial which was evident, Chauvin actions were not racially motivated. No evidence in his past and believe me, the prosecution turned over every stone. Zero, zilch nada...no evidence in his character. I know USA Today, NYT looked everywhere to feed that narrative, but it was a nothing burger, Chauvin wasn’t a racist

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[quote=Chico23231;1281731] Chauvin actions were not racially motivated. No evidence in his past and believe me, the prosecution turned over every stone. Zero, zilch nada...no evidence in his character. I know USA Today, NYT looked everywhere to feed that narrative, but it was a nothing burger, Chauvin wasn’t a racist[/quote]

Please supply proof?

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[quote=Chico23231;1281731]It was the right verdict no doubt...I was a little surprised all charges were found guilty.

I think something loss in the trial which was evident, Chauvin actions were not racially motivated. No evidence in his past and believe me, the prosecution turned over every stone. Zero, zilch nada...no evidence in his character. I know USA Today, NYT looked everywhere to feed that narrative, but it was a nothing burger, Chauvin wasn’t a racist[/quote]

A year since it happened, and literally nobody (with a public platform) talked about the racial angle until you brought it up.

The general consensus was that a cop was abusing his authority to "maintain control of the situation" by kneeling on someone's neck. Killing him. On video.

Keep trying Chico, one of these days maybe we'll turn on these so called media members who tried so hard to make this a racial thing.

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[quote=mooby;1281735]A year since it happened, and literally nobody (with a public platform) talked about the racial angle until you brought it up.

The general consensus was that a cop was abusing his authority to "maintain control of the situation" by kneeling on someone's neck. Killing him. On video.

Keep trying Chico, one of these days maybe we'll turn on these so called media members who tried so hard to make this a racial thing.[/quote]

Man my sarcasm meter is spinning...are you serious here?

Really mooby? Nobody with a public platform brought up the racial angle? I’m the first one? 😂

Again, there seems to be some animosity here the justice was served and facts find Chauvin wasn’t racially motivated. These are good things right?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1281726]It feels weird that he was found guilty of everything. Like everything has been such shit for the past couple years, this just seems like it went too easy. Maybe the tides are turning.[/quote]

Maybe but I would say that this is very different from a shooting which can be a split second or knee jerk reaction to a situation IMO a lot harder to prove intent. 9 minutes on someone's neck but who knows.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281739]Man my sarcasm meter is spinning...are you serious here?

Really mooby? Nobody with a public platform brought up the racial angle? I’m the first one? 😂

Again, there seems to be some animosity here the justice was served and facts find Chauvin wasn’t racially motivated. These are good things right?[/quote]

We all live in our own world.

Even serious anti-cop places like Reddit weren't gung-ho on the white/black angle.

We all see what we want to see.

The consensus opinion to me was "power tripping cop abused his authority."

Your last line about animosity here is ridiculous. It just reinforces why having a discussion with you is pointless because even when we agree that the bad cop finally got punished, we can't even agree on that. Idk why I waste my time.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1281743]Maybe but I would say that this is very different from a shooting which can be a split second or knee jerk reaction to a situation IMO a lot harder to prove intent. 9 minutes on someone's neck but who knows.[/quote]

I didn't mean weird, as in not correct, just that it actually happened. The way thing's have been all around, I just assumed something crazy would happen. I'm so cynical now.

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[quote=mooby;1281753]We all live in our own world.

Even serious anti-cop places like Reddit weren't gung-ho on the white/black angle.

We all see what we want to see.

The consensus opinion to me was "power tripping cop abused his authority."

Your last line about animosity here is ridiculous. It just reinforces why having a discussion with you is pointless because even when we agree that the bad cop finally got punished, we can't even agree on that. Idk why I waste my time.[/quote]

We do agree...I just don’t know why you would fly off the hook at the obvious.

Lol...ok well I don’t know if you have seen the efforts to say this is systemic racism after the event or just last night on CBS, NBC, etc. but believe it or not folks made that obvious connection.

I thought it could be a hate crime if Chauvin did show a racial motivation. Which nothing in his background or character showed and certainly would have been brought up if was there.

But hey I’m sure if anybody even hinted at that on those message board you quickly pushed back. Good for you Mooby!

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Imagine being cop and running up to a house where a huge woman was wielding a kitchen knife attempting to stab folks and ending to the threat thinking you have saved someone life, only for the victims who were screaming for your help turn and ask why did you do that?

These aren’t people but pieces of shit. The cop should get an award

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[quote=Chico23231;1281770]Imagine being cop and running up to a house where a huge woman was wielding a kitchen knife attempting to stab folks and ending to the threat thinking you have saved someone life, only for the victims who were screaming for your help turn and ask why did you do that?

These aren’t people but pieces of shit. The cop should get an award[/quote]

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/mvohhz/lebron_james_take_on_the_latest_columbus_police/[/url]

It's funny, Lebron pulled a dumbass move and used his platform to push back against the cop before he watched the video.

Literally as soon as we see video it can change the entire narrative. Video doesn't lie.

I'd like to excuse the actions of the people who immediately questioned why a cop would shoot a knife-wielding maniac, but I'm gonna stay out of that one. It's easy to condemn them while we sit here in our comfy chairs chatting on a forum, but the shock of the situation means we all would react in our own way. I stand by the cop on that one.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281758]We do agree...I just don’t know why you would fly off the hook at the obvious.

Lol...ok well I don’t know if you have seen the efforts to say this is systemic racism after the event or just last night on CBS, NBC, etc. but believe it or not folks made that obvious connection.

I thought it could be a hate crime if Chauvin did show a racial motivation. Which nothing in his background or character showed and certainly would have been brought up if was there.

But hey I’m sure if anybody even hinted at that on those message board you quickly pushed back. Good for you Mooby![/quote]

In regards to this, the difference between me and you is I recognize when it's just a person with an opinion using a platform to spout it (and to further enrich their own personal lives making a living spouting opinions).

I don't put a lot of stock into them, but it seems you do. Keep fighting the good fight Chico, maybe someday your message board complaining will force the media to stop giving platforms to people for their opinions.

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Best comment I saw about the lying media, anti cop folks:

“I really loved learning today that the number of people who have no tolerance for hate speech but are tolerant of teenagers having knife fights is greater than zero.”


Imagine being worth half a billion dollars and claiming oppressed. Lebron is the fakest piece of trash in the country...just like the oppressed fake narrative embrace by his trash culture

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[quote=mooby;1281772][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/mvohhz/lebron_james_take_on_the_latest_columbus_police/[/url]

It's funny, Lebron pulled a dumbass move and used his platform to push back against the cop before he watched the video.

Literally as soon as we see video it can change the entire narrative. Video doesn't lie.

I'd like to excuse the actions of the people who immediately questioned why a cop would shoot a knife-wielding maniac, but I'm gonna stay out of that one. It's easy to condemn them while we sit here in our comfy chairs chatting on a forum, but the shock of the situation means we all would react in our own way. I stand by the cop on that one.[/quote]

I love his reasoning for deleting the tweet too. It wasn't because he clearly posted it before watching the video, it was because other people didn't understand his general frustration and/or other people were using it to create more hate.

Nothing to do with him fucking up.

He should have just manned up and said something like:

Out of frustration, I rushed to judgment on this matter and spoke too soon. In hindsight, that is my bad.

Instead, we get a cop-out excuse and blaming everyone else.

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Why catch criminals when you can catch a snorlax?

[url]https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/16126/lapd-officers-fired-for-ignoring-robbery-to-catch-a-snorlax-in-pokemon-go[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1307785]Why catch criminals when you can catch a snorlax?

[url]https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/16126/lapd-officers-fired-for-ignoring-robbery-to-catch-a-snorlax-in-pokemon-go[/url][/quote]

The audacity of them to challenge it on the grounds that police didn't have the right to review the dash cam footage of them ignoring the robbery call is just amazing.

In what world do people think they have the right to privacy from their employers while they're on the clock and on their property?

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Normally I'd agree with you Mooby but since they were not using company time to chase a Togetic but were for a Snorlax I think they are forgiven.

TBH if this was teacher that did this it would have been front page news and people would have been in a tizzy. But since it the popo they are just jovial individuals filled with mirth and whimsy meaning no harm.

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Nobody wants to talk about that Washington state trooper that just died after telling the governor to kiss his ass for the vaccine mandate?

Thought this was interesting too.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKcW2qoWYAQcsXK?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

Really had no idea autoerotic asphyxiation was such a threat to the LE community.

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Clever Georgia deputies use fake DUI stop to lure real DUI drivers into trap
WSBTV.com News Staff
Mon, March 21, 2022, 4:55 PM

Deputies in south Georgia came up with a devious way of catching suspected DUI drivers, according to WGXA.

Officers gathered on Highway 358 in Twiggs County on Saturday to conduct “Operation Wrong Exit.”

The premise was simple: Drivers had the option to go through a fake DUI checkpoint or take the exit. The only catch? People who got off at the exit were met with the real DUI checkpoint.

“Those are the ones we’re looking for ... if they choose to get off this exit, up here is actually where the checkpoint is,” Sheriff Darren Mitchum told WGXA.

According to WXGA, “Those who decide to pull a fast one and exit off to avoid the checkpoint, get pulled over, prompting a search and an actual check.”

Drivers who chose to risk the DUI checkpoint were in the clear.

“There’s only four things that would get you arrested: if you’re driving impaired, if you have a warrant, if you have a suspended license, [or] if you are carrying drugs,” Mitchum said.

Mitchum said that the department has made nearly 200 arrests since they started the operation three years ago. He said the operation has been effective in risk prevention, prosecuting violators, and increasing voluntary compliance.

This year’s operation has successfully prosecuted 30 people so far.
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/clever-georgia-deputies-fake-dui-205545004.html[/url]
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The Court ruled that the 1.5 percent arrest rate was sufficient to establish the checkpoint as a reasonable law enforcement technique to combat a serious public danger. The Court also held that the Michigan checkpoint policy was not sufficiently intrusive to be an unconstitutional intrusion into the liberty of the drivers stopped.
[url]https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/sobriety-checkpoints-constitutional-considerations[/url]

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4A protects against unreasonable search and seizure. Terry stops, brief detentions, were allowed when there wasnt PC but a reasonable articulable suspicion of criminal activity afoot. Of course officers have abused Terry to justify prejudice and bias against POC.

Furtive movements = put his hands in his pockets, this area is a high crime area = police can arrest black people for having their hands in their pockets

SCOTUS in Stitz re dui check points found a 1.5% arrest rate = cops can blanket stop and demand your papers without any reasonable articulable suspicion or PC.

idk .. always seemed unconstitutional to me

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This guy can't count but still a good review of 9 (not five) bad prosecutors.

"The Five Worst Prosecutors in America
In 1940, Attorney General Robert Jackson proclaimed, “While the prosecutor at his best is one of the most beneficent forces in our society, when he acts from malice or other base motives, he is one of the worst........

....In one of the most perplexing decisions of her tumultuous tenure, Foxx decided not to charge gang members after a midday Wild West-style shootout in a crowded neighborhood, initially claiming that the legal doctrine of “mutual combat” precluded charges. Even liberal Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot denounced Foxx, stating, “We can’t live in a world where there’s no accountability.” One person was killed in the shootout and two were injured. Foxx eventually agreed to press charges, but only against one gang member, and only for the offense of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, not murder.......

[url]https://www.city-journal.org/five-worst-prosecutors-america[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1316464]This guy can't count but still a good review of 9 (not five) bad prosecutors.

"The Five Worst Prosecutors in America
In 1940, Attorney General Robert Jackson proclaimed, “While the prosecutor at his best is one of the most beneficent forces in our society, when he acts from malice or other base motives, he is one of the worst........

....In one of the most perplexing decisions of her tumultuous tenure, Foxx decided not to charge gang members after a midday Wild West-style shootout in a crowded neighborhood, initially claiming that the legal doctrine of “mutual combat” precluded charges. Even liberal Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot denounced Foxx, stating, “We can’t live in a world where there’s no accountability.” One person was killed in the shootout and two were injured. Foxx eventually agreed to press charges, but only against one gang member, and only for the offense of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, not murder.......

[url]https://www.city-journal.org/five-worst-prosecutors-america[/url][/quote]

Glad to see Mosby on there she is awful. All the things in there about her are true. She should have been bounced by voters after the Freddie Gray debacle. That was a slam dunk case against one officer, instead she charged every single officer to come in contact with him. Completely started the alienation of our police force and he route down the de-prosecution of criminals.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1316550]Glad to see Mosby on there she is awful. All the things in there about her are true. She should have been bounced by voters after the Freddie Gray debacle. That was a slam dunk case against one officer, instead she charged every single officer to come in contact with him. Completely started the alienation of our police force and he route down the de-prosecution of criminals.[/quote]

Yup , I though she herself was indicted?

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This story just keeps getting worse

[URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-put-lives-officers-lives-children-uvalde-shooting-state-police-rcna33906"]Texas official says Uvalde classroom door was unlocked, calls police response an 'abject failure'[/URL]