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Here's my prediction for the final 53. Not a lot of surprises, but a couple difficult decisions.

[B]Offense - 26[/B]
[B]QB[/B] Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen
[B]RB[/B] Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissic, Jaret Patterson, Peyton Barber
[B]WR[/B] Terry McLaurin, Dyami Brown, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Curtis Samuel, Cam Sims, Adam Humphries, DeAndre Carter
[B]TE[/B] Logan Thomas, John Bates, Sammis Reyes
[B]OL[/B] Charles Leno Jr., Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Ereck Flowers, Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff, Sam Cosmi, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen

[B]Defense - 24[/B]
[B]DE[/B] Chase Young, Montez Sweat, James Smith-Williams, Shaka Toney
[B]DT[/B] Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Tim Settle
[B]LB[/B] Jamin Davis, Cole Holcomb, Khaleke Hudson, Jon Bostic, David Mayo
[B]DB[/B] Kendall Fuller, Jimmy Moreland, Landon Collins, Kamren Curl, Bobby McCain, William Jackson III, Benjamin St-Juste, Torry McTyer, Deshazor Everett, Jeremy Reaves, Troy Apke

[B]ST - 3[/B]
Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Camaron Cheeseman
Returning kicks/punts - DeAndre Carter, Jaret Patterson


A couple notes:
[B]OL[/B] - We are finally rid of the Wes Martin experiment. Larsen wins the backup Center job. I feel like the OL is full of starting caliber players.

[B]WR[/B] - I wanted to keep Milne, but there's just no room. Carter wins the last WR spot due to his return abilities.

[B]TE[/B] - I chose Sammis over Ricky based solely on potential. It's a toss-up to me.

[B]DB[/B] - I struggled with the decision between Apke and Johnson. It is obvious to me that the coaches feel more comfortable with Apke than Johnson in the secondary. Johnson is a solid ST player, but it appears (at least in the eyes of the coaches) that Apke offers more overall. Hopefully he doesn't actually see the field much as a Corner - but you could probably say that about both of them.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288444]Here's my prediction for the final 53. Not a lot of surprises, but a couple difficult decisions.

[B]Offense - 26[/B]
[B]QB[/B] Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen
[B]RB[/B] Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissic, Jaret Patterson, Peyton Barber
[B]WR[/B] Terry McLaurin, Dyami Brown, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Curtis Samuel, Cam Sims, Adam Humphries, DeAndre Carter
[B]TE[/B] Logan Thomas, John Bates, Sammis Reyes
[B]OL[/B] Charles Leno Jr., Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Ereck Flowers, Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff, Sam Cosmi, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen

[B]Defense - 24[/B]
[B]DE[/B] Chase Young, Montez Sweat, James Smith-Williams, Shaka Toney
[B]DT[/B] Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Tim Settle
[B]LB[/B] Jamin Davis, Cole Holcomb, Khaleke Hudson, Jon Bostic, David Mayo
[B]DB[/B] Kendall Fuller, Jimmy Moreland, Landon Collins, Kamren Curl, Bobby McCain, William Jackson III, Benjamin St-Juste, Torry McTyer, Deshazor Everett, Jeremy Reaves, Troy Apke

[B]ST - 3[/B]
Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Camaron Cheeseman
Returning kicks/punts - DeAndre Carter, Jaret Patterson


A couple notes:
[B]OL[/B] - We are finally rid of the Wes Martin experiment. Larsen wins the backup Center job. I feel like the OL is full of starting caliber players.

[B]WR[/B] - I wanted to keep Milne, but there's just no room. Carter wins the last WR spot due to his return abilities.

[B]TE[/B] - I chose Sammis over Ricky based solely on potential. It's a toss-up to me.

[B]DB[/B] - I struggled with the decision between Apke and Johnson. It is obvious to me that the coaches feel more comfortable with Apke than Johnson in the secondary. Johnson is a solid ST player, but it appears (at least in the eyes of the coaches) that Apke offers more overall. Hopefully he doesn't actually see the field much as a Corner - but you could probably say that about both of them.[/quote]


I read somewhere that RR wanted to keep 10 OL. Perhaps he was counting Cheeseman, since long-snapper is technically an OL.

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If that is the case, I would probably add K Ismael due to his ability to play guard and center, and remove a DB... probably would be Jeremy Reaves

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Heard Ron give Wes Martin some praise but have never heard him mention ismael, I think they will both being going to the practice squad though.

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Hot take here: I think Jaret Patterson has played his way onto a roster spot.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288444]Here's my prediction for the final 53. Not a lot of surprises, but a couple difficult decisions.

[B]Offense - 26[/B]
[B]QB[/B] Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen
[B]RB[/B] Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissic, Jaret Patterson, Peyton Barber
[B]WR[/B] Terry McLaurin, Dyami Brown, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Curtis Samuel, Cam Sims, Adam Humphries, DeAndre Carter
[B]TE[/B] Logan Thomas, John Bates, Sammis Reyes
[B]OL[/B] Charles Leno Jr., Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Ereck Flowers, Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff, Sam Cosmi, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen

[B]Defense - 24[/B]
[B]DE[/B] Chase Young, Montez Sweat, James Smith-Williams, Shaka Toney
[B]DT[/B] Jonathan Allen, Matt Ioannidis, Daron Payne, Tim Settle
[B]LB[/B] Jamin Davis, Cole Holcomb, Khaleke Hudson, Jon Bostic, David Mayo
[B]DB[/B] Kendall Fuller, Jimmy Moreland, Landon Collins, Kamren Curl, Bobby McCain, William Jackson III, Benjamin St-Juste, Torry McTyer, Deshazor Everett, Jeremy Reaves, Troy Apke

[B]ST - 3[/B]
Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Camaron Cheeseman
Returning kicks/punts - DeAndre Carter, Jaret Patterson


A couple notes:
[B]OL[/B] - We are finally rid of the Wes Martin experiment. Larsen wins the backup Center job. I feel like the OL is full of starting caliber players.

[B]WR[/B] - I wanted to keep Milne, but there's just no room. Carter wins the last WR spot due to his return abilities.

[B]TE[/B] - I chose Sammis over Ricky based solely on potential. It's a toss-up to me.

[B]DB[/B] - I struggled with the decision between Apke and Johnson. It is obvious to me that the coaches feel more comfortable with Apke than Johnson in the secondary. Johnson is a solid ST player, but it appears (at least in the eyes of the coaches) that Apke offers more overall. Hopefully he doesn't actually see the field much as a Corner - but you could probably say that about both of them.[/quote]

I have the same Offense/Defense/ST break down (26/24/3), with some slight differences.
Mainly I think there's no way we keep [I]Apke[/I] over impressive rookie [I][B]Darrick Forrest[/B][/I].
Maybe [I]David Bada[/I] makes the team and [I]Reaves[/I] doesn't though ?

I keep the exact same Olinemen as you, because I think [I]Schweitzer, Lucas and Charles are quality backups with a lot of versatility[/I] and the rest of the back ups were horrible in PS. I also have [I]Larsen over Ismael[/I] not because of a huge talent difference, but because you need one ready to go back up center, and I'm not sure Ismael is.

26
QB: Fitz, Heinicke, Allen
RB: Gibson, Barber, McKissick, Patterson
OL: Leno, Flowers, Roullier, Scherff, Cosmi, Charles, Schweitzer, Lucas, Larsen
TE: Thomas, Bates, Reyes
WR: McLaurin, Samuel, Brown, Humphries, Cam Sims, AGG, Carter

24
DL: Young, Payne, Allen, Sweat, William-Smith, Ioannidis, Settle, Toney (+Bada by cutting Reaves?)
LB: Holcomb, Davis, Bostic, Hudson, Mayo (god... we have no depth there, maybe Jared Norris makes the team over Mayo... who knows, who cares...)
DB: WJ3, Fuller, Collins, Curl, Moreland, St Juste, McTyer, McCain, [B]Forrest[/B], Everett, Reaves (might get cut if Bada makes the team?)

3
P Way
K Hopkins...?
LS Cheeseman

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Side note, a surprise could be Darryl Roberts making the team... maybe over Reaves ?

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TE suddenly scares me. We have no one behind Thomas. If he gets injured ... can Turner and this offense operate without him? Surprised RR and staff went with 2 rookies to back up Thomas.

Disappointed if we carry Reaves and Apke. Pick one, I dont think either are NFL 53 man roster worthy.

3rd corner being a rookie ... not ideal.

LB group looks weak. Rookie plus below avg JAGs.

We have 17M or so in cap space. I would like to see us add a vet CB and LB if the right player gets cut. KJ Wright is also still out there. If he can being the right leadership and mindstate, without being like "this is what we did in Seattle" .. I think KJ Wright would complete this D. He'd tie the room together.

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EVERYONE is complaining about the LB room.

They need to be cleaning up on other team's cuts at LB. What we have is not good enough. Any injury to a starter and we're fucked.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288480]EVERYONE is complaining about the LB room.

They need to be cleaning up on other team's cuts at LB. What we have is not good enough. Any injury to a starter and we're fucked.[/quote]

It’s early but my problem is just Bostic. He’s done.

Davis is gonna take a second to get that position

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[quote=SunnySide;1288479][B]TE suddenly scares me. We have no one behind Thomas. If he gets injured ... can Turner and this offense operate without him? Surprised RR and staff went with 2 rookies to back up Thomas.[/B]

Disappointed if we carry Reaves and Apke. Pick one, I dont think either are NFL 53 man roster worthy.

3rd corner being a rookie ... not ideal.

LB group looks weak. Rookie plus below avg JAGs.

We have 17M or so in cap space. I would like to see us add a vet CB and LB if the right player gets cut. KJ Wright is also still out there. If he can being the right leadership and mindstate, without being like "this is what we did in Seattle" .. I think KJ Wright would complete this D. He'd tie the room together.[/quote]

If Logan goes down, you can pick up someone like RSJ off free agency.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1288488]If Logan goes down, you can pick up someone like RSJ off free agency.[/quote]

... and get RSJ type production.

Turner seems to rely heavily on TE.

Im scared to see this offense without Thomas.

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[quote=SunnySide;1288495]... and get RSJ type production.

Turner seems to rely heavily on TE.

Im scared to see this offense without Thomas.[/quote]

I would have been scared to see last year's offense without Thomas. I think our wideout group is better than last year's, so losing Logan for a few games would not be terrible. Although, I must admit that I'd feel better about the wideout group if Curtis Samuel's health wasn't such a big question mark.

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[quote=SunnySide;1288479]TE suddenly scares me. We have no one behind Thomas. If he gets injured ... can Turner and this offense operate without him? Surprised RR and staff went with 2 rookies to back up Thomas.

Disappointed if we carry Reaves and Apke. Pick one, I dont think either are NFL 53 man roster worthy.

3rd corner being a rookie ... not ideal.

LB group looks weak. Rookie plus below avg JAGs.

We have 17M or so in cap space. I would like to see us add a vet CB and LB if the right player gets cut. KJ Wright is also still out there. If he can being the right leadership and mindstate, without being like "this is what we did in Seattle" .. I think KJ Wright would complete this D. He'd tie the room together.[/quote]

I am fine with our TE's, Logan is the premiere, but Bates and Reyes seemed serviceable at least. Ricky Seals Jones would step in if needed. That said, anytime you have a top 5-10 player at their position, you aren't likely to be the same offense if they go down. That is as true of CY as it is Logan.

I was looking at KJ Wright info yesterday, and I just think he wants too much and also too much of the "this isn't Seattle" mind you mentioned. I would not be upset if they brought him in but I could also see it tipping the locker room the wrong way.

LB's are the weakest group unless Davis really gets it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288498]I am fine with our TE's, Logan is the premiere, but Bates and Reyes seemed serviceable at least. Ricky Seals Jones would step in if needed. That said, anytime you have a top 5-10 player at their position, you aren't likely to be the same offense if they go down. That is as true of CY as it is Logan.

[B]I was looking at KJ Wright info yesterday, and I just think he wants too much and also too much of the "this isn't Seattle" mind you mentioned. I would not be upset if they brought him in but I could also see it tipping the locker room the wrong way. [/B]

LB's are the weakest group unless Davis really gets it.[/quote]

Or Wright wants to sign with a team that is SB contender. Things have been really quiet with him ever since the offseason so who knows why he still hasn't been signed.

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[quote=GridIron26;1288499][B]Or Wright wants to sign with a team that is SB contender.[/B] Things have been really quiet with him ever since the offseason so who knows why he still hasn't been signed.[/quote]

I'm sure that if you haven't been signed by this stage of the season, you may not have much saying whether you get to sign with a SB contender. Granted, there are always injuries, but it's not like Wright is Tom Brady or some player of that caliber (that do get to dictate whether they go to a SB contender).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1288502]I'm sure that if you haven't been signed by this stage of the season, you may not have much saying whether you get to sign with a SB contender. Granted, there are always injuries, but it's not like Wright is Tom Brady or some player of that caliber (that do get to dictate whether they go to a SB contender).[/quote]

This is probably accurate.

My guess is he has been in no hurry to sign because he was betting that there would be an injury to a LB causing some team to be desperate for his services. Guess that did not happen in the preseason, so he may have made the wrong decision (assuming anyone even was interested).

By tomorrow night, there will probably be a LB or two released who will be more appealing than KJ Wright at this point.

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QB Stephen Montez and C- Toth and WR Tony Brown cut. Shocking I know.

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Cole Luke and Linden Stephen's waived.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288503]This is probably accurate.

My guess is he has been in no hurry to sign because he was betting that there would be an injury to a LB causing some team to be desperate for his services. Guess that did not happen in the preseason, so he may have made the wrong decision (assuming anyone even was interested).

By tomorrow night, there will probably be a LB or two released who will be more appealing than KJ Wright at this point.[/quote]

My guess is he's asking too much... I mean the guy still has talent, there's no way no team wants him on its roster...

I read the [URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/garrett-shines-for-rams-but-raiders-hold-on-for-17-16-win/"]Raiders had some LB injuries[/URL].

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It's always the money...

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First name that might have had a shot - Isaiah Wright cut per Keim

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Solid read, [URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/washington-football-team-53-man-roster?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]Mark Bullock's 53 projection[/URL]

He keeps Everett, Apke and Reaves, cuts Forrest. Mainly for special teams purposes, and he thinks Rivera really loves Reaves.

He has the same OL as CRed and I, finds a way to keep Dax Milne, and RSJ over Reyes.

He thinks they'll keep Bradley-King over Shaka Toney.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1288514]Solid read, [URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/washington-football-team-53-man-roster?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]Mark Bullock's 53 projection[/URL]

He keeps Everett, Apke and Reaves, cuts Forrest. Mainly for special teams purposes, and he thinks Rivera really loves Reaves.

He has the same OL as CRed and I, finds a way to keep Dax Milne, and RSJ over Reyes.

He thinks they'll keep Bradley-King over Shaka Toney.[/quote]

I like Reaves, I hope he sticks. Forrest was over-drafted and should be able to be added to PS.

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[URL="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1432677860637093907"]Jimmy Moreland cut !!![/URL]

Big surprise to me...

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There's the first surprise for me...Jimmy Moreland released.

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Apke's safe then as Danny Johnson was also released.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288522]There's the first surprise for me...Jimmy Moreland released.[/quote]

I'm surprised by this move too.. I think this means we are expecting to play Fuller as nickel.

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Apke may be the worst football player but one of the best athletes on the team. There should be 2 guys that make it for teams. Apke is that kind of guy. But never put him on defense and trying him at corner is a horrible idea.

A little surprised they kept AGG. I don't think he plays teams and is one of the last wr's to make it. Just not sure what they see in him. To me Wright was better.

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Jeremy Reaves gone.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1288521][URL="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1432677860637093907"]Jimmy Moreland cut !!![/URL]

Big surprise to me...[/quote]

Wow. I had heard his camp was quiet.

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Cuts so far today - per sources

From Ben Standig

12:45pm
Washington started the day needing to trim the roster by 17. So far they have released (per sources):

OL Beau Benzschawel
C Keith Ismael
DL Gabe Wright
DL Daniel Wise
WR AGG
RB Peyton Barber
G Wes Martin
DE Bunmi Rotimi
OT David Sharpe
CB Jimmy Moreland - released injured
S Jeremy Reaves
OT David Steinmetz
DE William Bradley-King (@john_keim 1st)
CB Danny Johnson
LB Jordan Kunaszyk

From Monday:
QB Steven Montez
RB Jonathan Williams
WR Isaiah Wright
WR Tony Brown
TE Caleb Wilson
OL Jon Toth
DL Devaroe Lawrence
LB Joe Walker
CB Linden Stephens
S Cole Luke

1 QB 6 OL 3 WR 2 RB 1 TE
5 DL 2 LB 3CB 2 S

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Both Moreland and Reaves could go to needy teams, but WBK, and Kunaszyk for sure will go to practice squad

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My guess is they are keeping McTyer and Apke at depth CB. They must be really comfortable with St. Juste. The next surprise will be when St Juste starts at boundary corner

Apke special teams play is extremely solid, so I’m ok with that. He shouldn’t ever see the field during defense tho.

We just have too many safeties. I don’t see how Forrest helps [B]now[/B] over Reeves but it’s not that big a deal. Again I think it speaks to other things, mainly how comfortable they are with Collins health and rehab which is another positive.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288522]There's the first surprise for me...Jimmy Moreland released.[/quote]

+1

Ron/JDR must have a plan if they don't need him as a backup.

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AGG waived

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I am so rarely correct that I will mention that I suggested in the preseason thread that Moreland might be in danger. I think the fact that both McCain and Curl can play slot corner/ nickel safety it gives them lots of flexibility..... thats what Ron loves, position flex.

Surprised they couldn't get a late rounder for him though, he will be in demand. The fact that he was cut seems to prove the roster is getting better

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Peyton Barber released

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[quote=MTK;1288539]AGG waived[/quote]

He sucks.

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Tackle David Sharpe released…he’s solid depth and will be scooped up quick