Roster Review: Front 7 Defense
 

Alright fellas…fuck the name, fuck the uniform, and fuck the QB talk (for now)…let’s start to dive into the rest of the roster with free agency right around the corner.

Let’s start at defense Front 7 first because it’s less complicated but yet intriguing in especially one particular position.

D-Line starters back: Chase, Montez, Payne, Allen, Matty-I. Rotational, Bench: Shaka Toney JS-W, Toohill. Tim Settle is a free agent and a nice rotational piece. You bring him back? It’s gonna cost a pretty penny. Depending on what we think of Payne and Matty I who I believe both in last years of deals next year, that’s crucial in the Settle decision.

Linebackers: Starters: Holcomb and Davis. Rotational, Bench: Hudson, Mayo. Boston is a free agent and should be done.

DLine is solid with depth. Settle is the question and he is a good rotational piece especially against the run. I think you let him test the market. Don’t see a lot of movement here.

Linebackers…Ron has said Davis is an OLB and not a middle linebacker, Cole is built more for the outside, which leaves a massive hole at MLB. At eleven in the draft there are two outstanding prospects with Devin Lloyd from Utah and N. Dean from Georgia. I heard Keim say for the first time yesterday MLB could be an option in the first. Free agency is not great, but De’Vondre Campbell was an all pro last year for the Pack. I would be hesitant as he is a bit of a one year wonder and blew up as a 3-4 ILB. Another scenario would be 2 possible cut issues, Bobby Wagner in Seattle or Blake Martinez in New York. Giants cap position (Got Gettleman’ed) is horrific and Wagner would provide a lot of cap relief if they decide to move on from the 32 year old. I would be down for both.

Middle Linebacker is a position we need to get right on defense much like QB on offense. Any moves in free agency or the draft you like? Settle staying…then is Matty I or Payne going? I like our roster on the Dline mix with depth and Starters, but I’d pass on Settle getting a big deal. My preference at MLB would be to get an experienced general like Wagner or Martinez.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311017]Alright fellas…fuck the name, fuck the uniform, and fuck the QB talk (for now)…let’s start to dive into the rest of the roster with free agency right around the corner.

Let’s start at defense Front 7 first because it’s less complicated but yet intriguing in especially one particular position.

D-Line starters back: Chase, Montez, Payne, Allen, Matty-I. Rotational, Bench: Shaka Toney JS-W, Toohill. Tim Settle is a free agent and a nice rotational piece. You bring him back? It’s gonna cost a pretty penny. Depending on what we think of Payne and Matty I who I believe both in last years of deals next year, that’s crucial in the Settle decision.

Linebackers: Starters: Holcomb and Davis. Rotational, Bench: Hudson, Mayo. Boston is a free agent and should be done.

DLine is solid with depth. Settle is the question and he is a good rotational piece especially against the run. I think you let him test the market. Don’t see a lot of movement here.

Linebackers…Ron has said Davis is an OLB and not a middle linebacker, Cole is built more for the outside, which leaves a massive hole at MLB. At eleven in the draft there are two outstanding prospects with Devin Lloyd from Utah and N. Dean from Georgia. I heard Keim say for the first time yesterday MLB could be an option in the first. Free agency is not great, but De’Vondre Campbell was an all pro last year for the Pack. I would be hesitant as he is a bit of a one year wonder and blew up as a 3-4 ILB. Another scenario would be 2 possible cut issues, Bobby Wagner in Seattle or Blake Martinez in New York. Giants cap position (Got Gettleman’ed) is horrific and Wagner would provide a lot of cap relief if they decide to move on from the 32 year old. I would be down for both.

Middle Linebacker is a position we need to get right on defense much like QB on offense. Any moves in free agency or the draft you like? Settle staying…then is Matty I or Payne going? I like our roster on the Dline mix with depth and Starters, but I’d pass on Settle getting a big deal. My preference at MLB would be to get an experienced general like Wagner or Martinez.[/quote]

Jon Bostic is slow but knows the defense......however I would try to make a trade with the Falcons for Foye Olukun. This defense needs more speed.

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I think Payne is underrated.
If we move on from anyone I would let Ionides walk. Guy is good but can’t play a full season.

JDR is the biggest weakness. I want to see Young and Sweat chasing QBs not doing lane assignments.

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[quote=jamf;1311026]I think Payne is underrated.
If we move on from anyone I would let Ionides walk. Guy is good but can’t play a full season.

JDR is the biggest weakness. I want to see Young and Sweat chasing QBs not doing lane assignments.[/quote]

Payne is definitely a very good football player.

Allen is already re-signed (great thing imo). Don't think we can also keep Payne, Ioannidis, and Settle.

I think Settle would be cheaper to re-sign and probably won't be hurt as much as Ioannidis. I hope we can keep Settle on a multi-year deal. Then make a decision on keeping Payne or Ioannidis.

It's a good problem to have, I'd gladly keep any combo that only involves moving 1 of them.

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What a breath of fresh air to have a smart/relevant thread, and I'm dead serious. Thanks for starting this Chico.

I feel a combo of Settle/Matty-I could potentially make up for Payne, if he's traded.

I do agree with John Keim that I feel that we need to bring a veteran pass rusher to mentor Sweat and Chase.

Mike LB is a priority, and I hope we get a vet free agent there, since we have two young guys in Holcomb and Davis on the outside that could also use the influence.

I do hope they bring back Landon, but at a restructured contract. He was a beast in that hybrid LB position.

In terms of DB, I really hope St. Juste is able to get his health together, dude was on the upswing IMO.

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I'm not trading assets on defense this year. With that being said I would sign a quality 3rd defensive end. I think we lost something in letting Kerrigan walk last season. Maybe bring him back and right a wrong.

At Mike, I would draft Chad Muma from Wyoming. If you haven't seen him before, check him out on youtube, you will like what you see.

At free safety, if we cut collins I would make a run at the honey badger Tyrann Mathieu. Otherwise I would draft Jaquan Brisker FS Penn State.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311017]Alright fellas…fuck the name, fuck the uniform, and fuck the QB talk (for now)…let’s start to dive into the rest of the roster with free agency right around the corner.

Let’s start at defense Front 7 first because it’s less complicated but yet intriguing in especially one particular position.

D-Line starters back: Chase, Montez, Payne, Allen, Matty-I. Rotational, Bench: Shaka Toney JS-W, Toohill. Tim Settle is a free agent and a nice rotational piece. You bring him back? It’s gonna cost a pretty penny. Depending on what we think of Payne and Matty I who I believe both in last years of deals next year, that’s crucial in the Settle decision.

Linebackers: Starters: Holcomb and Davis. Rotational, Bench: Hudson, Mayo. Boston is a free agent and should be done.

DLine is solid with depth. Settle is the question and he is a good rotational piece especially against the run. I think you let him test the market. Don’t see a lot of movement here.

Linebackers…Ron has said Davis is an OLB and not a middle linebacker, Cole is built more for the outside, which leaves a massive hole at MLB. At eleven in the draft there are two outstanding prospects with Devin Lloyd from Utah and N. Dean from Georgia. I heard Keim say for the first time yesterday MLB could be an option in the first. Free agency is not great, but De’Vondre Campbell was an all pro last year for the Pack. I would be hesitant as he is a bit of a one year wonder and blew up as a 3-4 ILB. Another scenario would be 2 possible cut issues, Bobby Wagner in Seattle or Blake Martinez in New York. Giants cap position (Got Gettleman’ed) is horrific and Wagner would provide a lot of cap relief if they decide to move on from the 32 year old. I would be down for both.

Middle Linebacker is a position we need to get right on defense much like QB on offense. Any moves in free agency or the draft you like? Settle staying…then is Matty I or Payne going? I like our roster on the Dline mix with depth and Starters, but I’d pass on Settle getting a big deal. My preference at MLB would be to get an experienced general like Wagner or Martinez.[/quote]

First of, as Ruhskins said, thank you so much for this thread ! Let's try to keep it centered on this precise subject, and looking forward to the other threads for the rest of the roster !

Easy to say now, but I think Settle should've been extended a couple of seasons ago. Now I'm with you, he is going to ask for a [I]decent contract, which he deserves[/I], so unless we move on from one of the other 3 big guys, he most likely won't be back. Shame but [I]you can't keep 4 quality starting caliber DT forever[/I]... And we will have a lot of big names to potentially bring back [I]next offseason[/I] (Payne, Ioannidis, Sweat, Holcomb... just on our front 7).

LB... We knew last offseason we needed at least one big signing at this position... As ex-NFL LB we gave Ron and Jack the benefice of the doubt of knowing what they were doing at the position... No more of that, [I]Bostic is horrible[/I], after a decent first season here, we've had plenty of evidence of that.

[URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/linebacker/all/"]Anthony Hitchens, Dont'a Hightower, KJ Wright, Christian Kirksey, Jarrad Davis, Anthony Barr [/URL]... I don't care who it is, [I]give me a proven vet + at least a mid round pick LB[/I] !

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A veteran pass rushing specialist would probably be a good idea, but the staff is high on JS-W and I think Shaka Toney has room to grow.

I love me some Payne, Matty I and Settle…but something has to give at DT. I think you keep your best player which means Payne stays. The DT market is stacked maybe make an offer to Settle which pays him like a high end rotational player with the intention of moving on from Matty I after next year when he is 30 and Settle is 25.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1311025]Jon Bostic is slow but knows the defense......however I would try to make a trade with the Falcons for Foye Olukun. This defense needs more speed.[/quote]

Olukun is a free agent…he is intriguing. His name came up when looking at free agent LBs

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[B]LB:[/B]
I could be wrong, but I think D Lloyd and N Dean are both projected to be Outside LBs. I think MLB in the first would be a reach. I do like Darrian Beavers in the round 2/3. I think they have to go out and sign a Veteran MLB though. Maybe Anthony Johnson from the Broncos would be a nice addition - then draft Beavers.

Davis-Beavers-Johnson-Holcomb would be a nice group.

[B]DL:[/B]
Assuming we don't trade CY, Sweat, Payne... I think you make an offer to Settle, but my guess is he wants to test the market, and he should. We'll see how other teams value him. Either way, the D-line will be fine without him should he choose to go. He's a nice piece coming off the bench, but you can find his replacement in the draft or free agency.

Young-Allen-Payne-Iaonnidis-[I]Draft/FA[/I]-Sweat would be nice as well.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1311048][B]LB:[/B]
I could be wrong, but I think D Lloyd and N Dean are both projected to be Outside LBs. I think MLB in the first would be a reach. I do like Darrian Beavers in the round 2/3. I think they have to go out and sign a Veteran MLB though. Maybe Anthony Johnson from the Broncos would be a nice addition - then draft Beavers.

Davis-Beavers-Johnson-Holcomb would be a nice group.

[B]DL:[/B]
Assuming we don't trade CY, Sweat, Payne... I think you make an offer to Settle, but my guess is he wants to test the market, and he should. We'll see how other teams value him. Either way, the D-line will be fine without him should he choose to go. He's a nice piece coming off the bench, but you can find his replacement in the draft or free agency.

Young-Allen-Payne-Iaonnidis-[I]Draft/FA[/I]-Sweat would be nice as well.[/quote]

Lloyd and Dean I’ve seen listed as mlb and outside. If here it’ll be in the middle. My preference is a vet there at this point, but slim pickings. Watching the waiver wire and be ready to pounce if cap casualties hit it.

In the mean time, signing a tier 2,3 vet there other than Bostic would be helpful. Mayo isn’t that guy they really like him as depth and as a teamer. Hudson didn’t take that step last year, he could be expendable.

One thing that wouldn’t shock me is if they take a DT in the draft if Settle leaves. Get a prospect they like while Payne and Matty I enter their last year of deals.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1311064]Lloyd and Dean I’ve seen listed as mlb and outside. If here it’ll be in the middle. My preference is a vet there at this point, but slim pickings. Watching the waiver wire and be ready to pounce if cap casualties hit it.



In the mean time, signing a tier 2,3 vet there other than Bostic would be helpful. Mayo isn’t that guy they really like him as depth and as a teamer. Hudson didn’t take that step last year, he could be expendable.



One thing that wouldn’t shock me is if they take a DT in the draft if Settle leaves. Get a prospect they like while Payne and Matty I enter their last year of deals.[/QUOTE]Btw the way, so you guys we try to extend Payne this off-season ?

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I think they try to extend Payne. I'm not sure they will get it done though. Holcomb, Payne, Flowers, and Ioannidis are all free agents next year...Fuller, Sweat, Gibson, and Curl are right behind them the following year. Time for some cap gymnastics over the next couple years especially if they trade for a big name QB. Absolutely have to draft starter quality players in the first 4 rounds.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1311111]I think they try to extend Payne. I'm not sure they will get it done though. Holcomb, Payne, Flowers, and Ioannidis are all free agents next year...Fuller, Sweat, Gibson, and Curl are right behind them the following year. Time for some cap gymnastics over the next couple years especially if they trade for a big name QB. Absolutely have to draft starter quality players in the first 4 rounds.[/quote]

You always need to be retooling through the draft. I’m gonna be completely honest, when I look at the roster, we have less holes than in recent memory or we seem to at least have a better plan than in the recent past.

Going into this years draft, “best player available” mantra actually is correct outside of the QB position (which is a biggy). Our roster allows us to really put aside needs and go full bpa

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[quote=jamf;1311026]I think Payne is underrated.
If we move on from anyone I would let Ionides walk. Guy is good but can’t play a full season.

JDR is the biggest weakness. I want to see Young and Sweat chasing QBs not doing lane assignments.[/quote]

You leave my boy Matty alone. He wasn't fully recovered from his injury last season; he'll be much quicker this season; enough to terrorize QB's again with his inside pass rush.

Settle should have been traded last year because he could start on some teams and he had trade value. Now, we probably can't afford him as a FA and, once again, we'll lose a very good player without getting anything in return. I hate that.

You're right about JDR being our biggest weakness. That applies to every defensive player group.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311118]You always need to be retooling through the draft. I’m gonna be completely honest, when I look at the roster, we have less holes than in recent memory or we seem to at least have a better plan than in the recent past.

Going into this years draft, “best player available” mantra actually is correct outside of the QB position (which is a biggy). Our roster allows us to really put aside needs and go full bpa[/quote]

I agree - there are less holes. Have to draft well to keep it that way.

I don't think it's a lock that they draft a QB this year. If they sign or trade for a Veteran QB it might not make much sense, depending on what is given away to get him.

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Much as I like Matty I, I'd be looking at him as trade bait and re-signing Settle. As already pointed out, Settle shows good promise and has youth on his side. But if, as likely, he goes via FA, I'd definitely try to extend Payne. then we'd be set at the 4 starting DL positions for 2 years at least.

Totally agree on signing a vet MLB, while bringing a promising rookie in. Wagner, for instance, could give us a good 2-3 years and really change this D's persona. Right now I'd prefer to redo Collins' contract and keep him in that hybrid role. Letting him go after he showed well in that role would likely be a waste of dead cap AND lost talent.

If we did all that, we could afford to pick the best QB available @ #11 and have picks left to at least bolster the depth across the board on D.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1311145]Much as I like Matty I, I'd be looking at him as trade bait and re-signing Settle. As already pointed out, Settle shows good promise and has youth on his side. But if, as likely, he goes via FA, I'd definitely try to extend Payne. then we'd be set at the 4 starting DL positions for 2 years at least.



Totally agree on signing a vet MLB, while bringing a promising rookie in. Wagner, for instance, could give us a good 2-3 years and really change this D's persona. Right now I'd prefer to redo Collins' contract and keep him in that hybrid role. Letting him go after he showed well in that role would likely be a waste of dead cap AND lost talent.



If we did all that, we could afford to pick the best QB available @ #11 and have picks left to at least bolster the depth across the board on D.[/QUOTE]

LB FA signing(s) will be interesting, plenty of very solid options, and since it's one of the most underpaid position, you can "go big" without worrying too much about cap.

Collins is interesting, yes he showed progress when playing LB... But we need to tone down this idea that he was somewhat elite... He was making some plays and tackling well, but he still did some mistakes in coverage and had some missed tackles. The contrast with how bad he was playing at S made it feel like he was awesome after the switch, he was just good.
Other thing is he doesn't want to be called a LB... Because he doesn't want LB money. So even if you redo his contract, do you really want to have 12+M tied to a lightweight LB who still can't cover ?

Won't be mad if he stays, he played well, but I say trade him for what you can.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1311160]Collins is interesting, yes he showed progress when playing LB... But we need to tone down this idea that he was somewhat elite... He was making some plays and tackling well, but he still did some mistakes in coverage and had some missed tackles. The contrast with how bad he was playing at S made it feel like he was awesome after the switch, he was just good.
Other thing is he doesn't want to be called a LB... Because he doesn't want LB money. So even if you redo his contract, do you really want to have 12+M tied to a lightweight LB who still can't cover ?

Won't be mad if he stays, he played well, but I say trade him for what you can.[/quote]

Would anyone likely trade for Collins though, given his contract and knowing he played better at LB last year than S? If he doesn't accept a permanent move to LB, I can't see how he stays or gets traded. Most likely a cut and swallow the dead money in that case. Hence a restructure might be better all round.

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I don't see Collins getting traded. He'll restructure or he'll be released.

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Nobody is going to give up anything for Collins with his current contract.

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[quote=MTK;1311248]Nobody is going to give up anything for Collins with his current contract.[/quote]

Agreed. Washington fans need to stop with these unrealistic trade scenarios. I feel that right now the only players that other teams would absolutely trade for are Terry, Allen, Chase, Payne, and Sweat. I really don't see any other players with realistic trade values.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1311249]Agreed. Washington fans need to stop with these unrealistic trade scenarios. I feel that right now the only players that other teams would absolutely trade for are Terry, Allen, Chase, Payne, and Sweat. I really don't see any other players with realistic trade values.[/quote]

and even then I think fans would be shocked at what you might get back in draft value. If financially possible it makes the most sense to keep those pieces.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1311213]Would anyone likely trade for Collins though, given his contract and knowing he played better at LB last year than S? If he doesn't accept a permanent move to LB, I can't see how he stays or gets traded. Most likely a cut and swallow the dead money in that case. Hence a restructure might be better all round.[/QUOTE]Well, won't get anything in return, so instead of "trade him" maybe "include him in a trade" would be the best way to phrase it. Still unlikely, but if you can get rid of his contract, even if it costs you a late round pick, may be worth it.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/2022-nfl-free-agency-should-washington-pay-devondre-campbell[/url]

Should Washington pay up for free agent LB De'Vondre Campbell?

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[quote=Chico23231;1311825][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/2022-nfl-free-agency-should-washington-pay-devondre-campbell[/url]

Should Washington pay up for free agent LB De'Vondre Campbell?[/quote]

I'd pass. He is going to get a fatty contract for 1 great season. And he will be 29.

I'd try to sign someone younger that can realistically be expected to play great for the life of a 4 or 5 year contract.

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I'm OK spending kind of big this year. We're been thrifty recently to only limited success. Extend our own when we can, and I'd open up the wallet for Campbell. If we got a London Fletcher for 2-3 years, it's worth the cost IMO.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1311837]I'm OK spending kind of big this year. We're been thrifty recently to only limited success. Extend our own when we can, and I'd open up the wallet for Campbell. If we got a London Fletcher for 2-3 years, it's worth the cost IMO.[/quote]

A middle Linebacker would “complete” the defense, it’s a big hole which affects so much. Getting a vet there to help Cole and Davis as well playing that middle drop to help the secondary, lotta value in paying someone to shore up the D.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311841]A middle Linebacker would “complete” the defense, it’s a big hole which affects so much. Getting a vet there to help Cole and Davis as well playing that middle drop to help the secondary, lotta value in paying someone to shore up the D.[/quote]

Agreed. And it's not like MLB is the highest paid position on defense either... I would have zero issue with a big $ 1 to 2 years contract on a proven vet.
Many are available, go get one.

We can't keep underspending on our D's weakest link...