Best Offensive Skill Talent Since When?
 

The skill talent on the offensive side of the ball is the best we have had in a long time and its still growing as they are relatively a young in terms of age and experience. Looking at the WR, RB and TE…we need coaches to mold these guys and Turner to put them in position to win.

WR:
Scary Terry: Entering his prime, has put up great numbers with limited QB play. Best offensive player on the team.
Samuel: proven gadget player who can make big plays. Healthy now after coming off injury
Johan Dotson: 1st round draft pick who is NFL ready. Great hands and fast.
Cam Sims: Big body receiver entering his prime. Has shown flashes and has been a Skin his entire career. I personally think Sims is underrated
Dyami Brown: Young, fast developing WR. Has a nice connection with new QB Sam Howell
Dax Milne: Another young developing WR talent who the coaching staff likes.

RB:
Antonio Gibson: Entering prime with a lot of experience. Good mix of speed and power. Fumbling issue but still an important piece for this team.
JD: One of the best pass catching running backs in the league. Experienced. Chose the Skins over the Bills: culture change working?
Brian Robinson: rookie Power back from college program with proven lineage at the position. The new Jonathan Stewart for our offense.
Patterson: young developing RB

TE:
Logan Thomas: Proven TE in his prime coming off big injury
John Bates: Already one of the best blocking TE in the game. Developing his receiving skills
Cole Turner: Rookie TE with prolific receiving stats in college. Big, tall target with large catch radius. Ex WR and a hands catcher.
Sammy Reyes: Big developing TE. 26, will probably need to show a little this year.

I like the mix of size, youth and role based specialists…this group has alot of potential. Turner doesn’t have excuses as adding an experienced QB should tie the room together much like the dude’s rug.

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Am I on the correct forum??? Did I just read a positive post about the commanders?? … Great Post Chico!! Refreshing to read something that gives hope ..

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WR: a true #1, a 1st round pick (unproven), a guy that has massively disappointed on a big money contract, and some random depth that has been fine in limited time
RB: some guys (this is not clinton portis or even stephen davis level. gibbs 2.0 #1/2/3 would run circles on this group (portis/betts/cartwright w/ cooley as a sometimes h-back and a real fullback (mike sellers)))
TE: no one as good as cooley in his prime

not to mention gibbs 1. gibbs 2 had moss at WR and literally no one else (and he had no one at QB)

not trying to debbie downer, but sorta debbie downer.

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Context with Samuel is disappointing due to injury vs just not showing up on the field is needed.

Reed was much better than Cooley, but no one at TE position is as good as both.

And agree at RB, but you do know gibbs last coached in 2007? So yeah, it’s been a long time.

I think having the best QB on the team since Cousins will help show off the talent.

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qb best since healthy alex smith for sure

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Half the guys haven’t done shit in the league. Dyami brown averages one catch a game! He isn’t worth mentioning.

to answer your question: 2016 had a stacked team
KC threw for 4900 yards
Garçon and Jackson at WR.
Davis and Reed at TE.
Kelley and CT at RB.
Trent and Scherff on the Oline helped too.

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[quote=jamf;1316359]Half the guys haven’t done shit in the league. Dyami brown averages one catch a game! He isn’t worth mentioning.

to answer your question: 2016 had a stacked team
KC threw for 4900 yards
Garçon and Jackson at WR.
Davis and Reed at TE.
Kelley and CT at RB.
Trent and Scherff on the Oline helped too.[/quote]

Terry, Samuel, Thomas, AG have had decent seasons…putting them together with a better supporting cast and Wentz is gonna be something else!

Jamf let’s fucking go! Honk honk!

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The best in all this was the closing line. Bravo

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Agree with the overall point that we have enough talent on offense to succeed, especially with a significant improvement at QB.

Now for the "since when" part of it, I don't really know, it's partly subjective and contextual, but it's definitely a talented offensive roster. That's part of why I would be really mad if we don't sign a MLB. Don't know how realistic it is, but this roster is built to win now. And if they don't, at some point you have to put it on the coaches.

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Best since Kirk Pierre DeSean Crowder and Jordan Reed.

This group definitely is not better than that.

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We don't know what this group is, until they all get out on the field together.

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It’s a good squad probably the best since the cousins years.

At the end of the day nothing matters if Wentz sucks. I think he will be fine but you get the point.

Also we really underrate AG on this forum. He’s a stud


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1316376]It’s a good squad probably the best since the cousins years.

At the end of the day nothing matters if Wentz sucks. I think he will be fine but you get the point.

Also we really underrate AG on this forum. He’s a stud

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I like Gibson but he fumbles too much for stud status imo.

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Yeah Gibson’s fumbling has him closer to losing a starting role than he is to stud status.

To call him a stud you’d have to be assuming he has that fixed and I don’t know how we can assume that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1316380]Yeah Gibson’s fumbling has him closer to losing a starting role than he is to stud status.

To call him a stud you’d have to be assuming he has that fixed and I don’t know how we can assume that.[/quote]

He better fix it real quick. Robinson is good enough to be a starter. I think Gibson offers more versatility, but I'd recommend not fumbling for at least the 1st 4 games if he would like to remain the primary back.

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Dotson is a rookie and hasn't caught one NFL pass. Brown pretty much the same. Samuel is king of the cold tub. Sims is pretty much Marko Mitchell. McLaurin is the only guy who you can count on right now at wr.

TE is murky at best.

RB looks pretty good.

Best since the Cousins years if everything goes to plan. Big if. If you look around the division we are still behind the Eagles and Dallas when it comes to skill guys.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1316384]Dotson is a rookie and hasn't caught one NFL pass. Brown pretty much the same. Samuel is king of the cold tub. Sims is pretty much Marko Mitchell. McLaurin is the only guy who you can count on right now at wr.

TE is murky at best.

RB looks pretty good.

Best since the Cousins years if everything goes to plan. Big if. If you look around the division we are still behind the Eagles and Dallas when it comes to skill guys.[/quote]

Having a real QB will help with the evaluation of receiver, but I’m a big fan of the attention to paid to position.

TE is murky if Logan Thomas can’t rebound from injury. But again I like the injection of youth there.

I’m optimistic with what I see and the recent results of guys like Terry, Thomas, AG and JD.

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A lot of potential on paper, but games aren't played on paper. They're played in TV sets.

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I think at RB we are or were are more than good. There was no need for the Robinson pick in the 3rd round. For what you're going to ask him to do you can find that guy in the 6th or 7th round, or UFA. AG is still your lead back w. the most potential. The fumbling issue can be fixed. I'm giving AG the ball 18-20 times, 15 carries and 3-5 passes a game. I'm giving McKissick 5-7 carries and another 5-6 passes. If you do that you are going to get serious production if the line holds. Where does Robinson fit in? Goaline? Short yardage? If so then again, you don't draft that guy to do that in the 3rd. Go get a Peyton Barber type out on the street.

I know people were down on AG but he still got 1,300 yards combined and 10 td's on a team w/ no QB and a so so line.

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I feel Turner should split out AG out and isolate him and let him go to work on LB's one on one. Let him run some wr routes a couple times a game and get that mismatch. I don't recall Turner doing that.

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Drafting a 3rd rd RB tells us a lot about what Ron things of AG. Fumbling and durability have been issues with him. I don't think Ron is totally sold on AG. Plus it's a two lead back league these days. If you watch some highlights on Robinson you can see he's much more than just a short yardage back.

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[quote=MTK;1316392]Drafting a 3rd rd RB tells us a lot about what Ron things of AG. Fumbling and durability have been issues with him. I don't think Ron is totally sold on AG. Plus it's a two lead back league these days. If you watch some highlights on Robinson you can see he's much more than just a short yardage back.[/quote]

Gibson is still learning the RB Position, we forget he was a WR in college. His vision isn't very good but he does have big time playmaking potential. I think they should use him in that Deebo role

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Ron had nowhere to go with AG when he fumbled last year. Patterson too green and could t produce same results and JD can’t be expected to shoulder a load running the ball.

Robinson gives the team more options and brings that short yardage piece we missed last year

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[quote=skinsfan69;1316390]
I know people were down on AG but he still got 1,300 yards combined and 10 td's [/quote]

And benched during the season...he also got benched.
So I think that speaks to about how confident rr is with him.
I like Gibson...but its hard to be a fan of someone who fumbles as much as he does and at the worst possible times.
I said halfway through the year that rb had def turned unto a position of need for us....and here we are.
Robinson will be our started by week 5. Gibson will give us the ability to have some tricky 2 back sets with a pass threat always imminent. I think that will be Gibsons role moving forward.

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I think Gibson and Robinson will split time which will keep them fresh and make our running game more effective. This is another way to help Wentz to be as productive as possible.

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This will be Gibson's third year as a pure RB and yet he already showed some flashes. While I agree with you all regarding the fumbles issue and possibly injuries (still kinda early for this), we need to give Gibson a chance to prove himself this year. I expect to see good things from him this year.

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[quote=GridIron26;1316418]This will be Gibson's third year as a pure RB and yet he already showed some flashes. While I agree with you all regarding the fumbles issue and possibly injuries (still kinda early for this), we need to give Gibson a chance to prove himself this year. I expect to see good things from him this year.[/quote]

I think Gibson deserves one more chance to prove himself, now that we have better QB play. I think in terms of production, he was definitely affected by the low quality QB play we had. I don't know I would pin the fumbles on that though, but I feel that teams were always playing the run. I think this is a make or break year for him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1316387]Having a real QB will help with the evaluation of receiver, but I’m a big fan of the attention to paid to position.
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Not having an Oline will derail those plans.
KC(2016) had TW, Lavaou(SP?), Long, Scherff, Moses blocking for him.
This line just does not compare.

Screen plays all day to help slow the pass rush.

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[quote=jamf;1316420]Not having an Oline will derail those plans.
KC(2016) had TW, Lavaou(SP?), Long, Scherff, Moses blocking for him.
This line just does not compare.

Screen plays all day to help slow the pass rush.[/quote]

We had a terrible QB and a makeshift o-line last year, and the line was not a problem at all.

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I agree that AG has to clean up some stuff. And if you want to bring in competition fine. My only point was that I really didn't feel that drafting a rb in the 3rd was needed. If SF69 was GM (lol) I would never draft a rb in the early rounds. 5th round or later would be my rule. The Shanahan's has proven this over how many years? How many successful no name rushers have they had that were not high draft picks? You can find gems at RB in the later rounds or even undrafted. Go grab more oline w/ that pick. Or get a LB for christ sakes... lol.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1316417]I think Gibson and Robinson will split time which will keep them fresh and make our running game more effective. This is another way to help Wentz to be as productive as possible.[/quote]

I like it, we will have a poor man's version of Aaron jones and AJ Dillion. Gibson with his skill set can really take advantage of a more spread out offense. Just got to keep the oopsies down.

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The amount of love for a guy that fumbled more times than he had a 20+ yard plays is outrageous.

Gibson is C grade player. He get's touches because of his position and lack of passing game but he is not a top 15 back in this league.

I expect Robinson to take over the starting job after a few week.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1316422]I agree that AG has to clean up some stuff. And if you want to bring in competition fine. My only point was that I really didn't feel that drafting a rb in the 3rd was needed. If SF69 was GM (lol) [B]I would never draft a rb in the early rounds. 5th round or later would be my rule. The Shanahan's has proven this over how many years?[/B] How many successful no name rushers have they had that were not high draft picks? You can find gems at RB in the later rounds or even undrafted. Go grab more oline w/ that pick. Or get a LB for christ sakes... lol.[/quote]

Kyle Shanahan has drafted a RB in round 3 two years in a row now.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1316440]Kyle Shanahan has drafted a RB in round 3 two years in a row now.[/quote]

Pffft, what does he know about football. LOL.

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I don't see how the addition of Robinson hurts at all, or why there is really any complaints about it. I'm not sure if he'll take over the starting job from AG, but having two very capable RBs (plus McKissic) is going to do nothing but help this offense. Especially if Robinson is a capable blitz picker upper.

Personally, I'm pretty eager to see this offense in the Fall. There are still some question marks - Logan Thomas' health, Curtis Samuel's health, will the O-line be as good as they have been the last couple years...but I think there's a lot of potential there.

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I'm really hoping that Thomas will be back to normal this year. He was blossoming into a nice weapon for us before he got injured.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1316442][B]I don't see how the addition of Robinson hurts at all, or why there is really any complaints about it.[/B] I'm not sure if he'll take over the starting job from AG, but having two very capable RBs (plus McKissic) is going to do nothing but help this offense. Especially if Robinson is a capable blitz picker upper.

Personally, I'm pretty eager to see this offense in the Fall. There are still some question marks - Logan Thomas' health, Curtis Samuel's health, will the O-line be as good as they have been the last couple years...but I think there's a lot of potential there.[/quote]

I'm fine with it. But to be fair, from what I understood, SF69's point was just that maybe the pick could've been better used, maybe more need oriented, cuz you can find talented RBs later in the draft.

For me, the draft being a crapshoot, I have no issue with them taking a player they really like, you don't draft only for next year, you draft for the future and between cap issues and injuries, you never know who's gonna be on your roster in 3 to 5 years...

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I think it was a need, and I think they thought it was a need as well. Gibson was top 5 in # of carries for a running back last year, and in the high 30s in yards per rush. He has no vision, he can't get you 1 yard when you need it and the defense knows you're going to run the ball, he fumbles too much, and he's oft-injured.

I like Gibson's athleticism, but he's not a true running back like Robinson. I would not be at all surprised if Robinson was the starting running back by the end of the season. I also wouldn't be surprised if they are splitting carries 60/40ish. We'll see. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out, but I think the position group is better today than it was before the draft, and that's a good thing.

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I don't have an issue with RBs in the 3rd. You don't take them in the 1st unless its AP, and it better be a stud in the 2nd. Just due to OL/CB/QB/pass rush quality available and their impact over replacement level players in the 1st/2nd round. (QB/DE/WR tend to be more hit or miss than other positions, even up high, but you're never getting a randy moss in the 3rd round... though you might get a TM or steve smith).

RB life in the NFL is short, and while I thought our RB room was fine, I wouldn't call it amazing. If he can't help us this year, it will seem like not the greatest pick. We're only ever 1 injury or bout of fumblitis away from potentially significant playing time though.