Daron Payne
 

Hopefully this comes to fruition:

Ron Rivera on keeping Daron Payne: ‘We know it’s going to be hard but we’re going to do it’.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ron-rivera-keeping-daron-payne-122933891.html[/url]

Re: Daron Payne
 

We definitely gotta find a way to extend him.

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I wanted him traded for a 1st and keep Settle, this is his best year, glad they kept him. Let’s hope he keeps it up after he gets paid.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1330101]Ron Rivera on keeping Daron Payne: ‘We know it’s going to be hard but we’re going to do it’.[/quote]

Translation:

"We're gonna franchise tag him."

Re: Daron Payne
 

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;1330113]Translation:

"We're gonna franchise tag him."[/QUOTE]


Yes


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Re: Daron Payne
 

Payne and Allen are freaks on the DL. Honestly I’d rather keep Payne over CY. Payne is reliable and consistent. Young hasn’t played in a year.


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Are we paying him or applying a franchise of over 18 million next year?

I’d have a hard time franchising him at that number even though I love mf’er. I think you got to try to sign him

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If it comes to a decision between paying D Payne 18 million or significantly upgrading the offensive line, I hope they let him walk.

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DL is a tipping point kind of thing. If you just have 1 good guy, he gets doubled every play and no big deal. 2 good players, they can double both, but that puts the offense in a slightly worse position. 3 good players... they can't double up without allowing a huge advantage to the secondary. 4 good players... good luck.

It's possible he's benefitting from the other players around him a bit (increasing his perceived value), but a lot of winning came off of having a great DL, so I'd rather not mess with it. I'd take Payne over Wentz, and that leaves the team +7mill.

I don't think he's worth 18m a year (so get a team-friendlier deal done), but unless there's a better way to spend that money (like a superstar QB)... I assume the OT will be drafted and every year you see $1-2m OGs playing good ball, we just don't have them right now (so Payne shouldn't obstruct fixing the OL).

Also, still think too many people are jumping off the Chase Young train too early.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1330124]Payne and Allen are freaks on the DL. Honestly I’d rather keep Payne over CY. Payne is reliable and consistent. Young hasn’t played in a year.


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Payne always suits up. He's been the most consistent guy on the team from an injury standpoint.

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Can we have him? That guy is a stud with 8.5 sacks and 51 total tackles. We need somebody on our defense like that.

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[quote=Packfan10;1331982]Can we have him? That guy is a stud with 8.5 sacks and 51 total tackles. We need somebody on our defense like that.[/quote]

You may not.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1331983]You may not.[/quote]

We will trade you Christian Watson for him lol.

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[quote=Packfan10;1331984]We will trade you Christian Watson for him lol.[/quote]

Even though our offense mostly stinks, our WRs are our 2nd strongest position group. Don't necessarily need Watson. But Watson has more team control. I'd actually do that trade if we couldn't come to a long term contract with Payne. Watson for 3 more years > Payne for 1 more year, assuming we had to franchise tag him. That would actually be a fairly fair trade, assuming we couldn't extend Payne and you guys could.

Ideally we keep the Bama Bro's together with a long term contract with Payne.

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I am a bit back and forth on retaining Payne. The logic that you pay him more than JA and then need to pay MS and CY doesn't fit for me. JA seems to be routinely double teamed and even sometimes triple teamed so you would expect those playing next to him to have better results statistically, so I am a little cautious about attributing so much of DPs stats purely to his talent level. Paying all 4 DL when there are so many other holes to fill, not to mention up coming contracts for KC and others, doesn't seem like a good use of resources. I still can't get on board with the idea of trading Sweat or Young so the logical move would be to franchise Payne as a precursor to trading him. All of the talk about getting a deal done might just be setting the table about wanting to keep him to elevate his value in a trade. They were talking about trading him through last offseason up to the trade deadline but didn't receive the offers that made it worth it. Any return from a trade could be used to get another young DT in the draft, even if it is a 3rd compensatory pick. I think the arrival of Ridgeway may have influenced the path they take, I just cant see the value in paying him $18-20m apy .

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[quote=Chico23231;1331970]Are we paying him or applying a franchise of over 18 million next year?

I’d have a hard time franchising him at that number even though I love mf’er. I think you got to try to sign him[/quote]

I agree with you. 18 million is steep for an interior. I'd also like to know how often a franchise tag applied leads to a player resigning with the team afterwards. I couldn't find data on that. I know players tend hate it so it strikes me as a death sentence for a players tenure with a team.

My guess is Ron will give Payne a solid offer, if he rejects that then we will know where Payne's intentions are.

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If it comes down to it they have to franchise tag him. Worst case you tag him for 2 years and let him walk after that. At that point we've got 7 years out of him, likely his best and most productive years.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1331992]I am a bit back and forth on retaining Payne. The logic that you pay him more than JA and then need to pay MS and CY doesn't fit for me. JA seems to be routinely double teamed and even sometimes triple teamed so you would expect those playing next to him to have better results statistically, so I am a little cautious about attributing so much of DPs stats purely to his talent level. Paying all 4 DL when there are so many other holes to fill, not to mention up coming contracts for KC and others, doesn't seem like a good use of resources. I still can't get on board with the idea of trading Sweat or Young so the logical move would be to franchise Payne as a precursor to trading him. All of the talk about getting a deal done might just be setting the table about wanting to keep him to elevate his value in a trade. They were talking about trading him through last offseason up to the trade deadline but didn't receive the offers that made it worth it. Any return from a trade could be used to get another young DT in the draft, even if it is a 3rd compensatory pick. I think the arrival of Ridgeway may have influenced the path they take, I just cant see the value in paying him $18-20m apy .[/QUOTE]


We have Mathis next year. I don’t think we need to draft a DT even if we trade Payne. Certainly not with a lower round pick.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1331992]I am a bit back and forth on retaining Payne. The logic that you pay him more than JA and then need to pay MS and CY doesn't fit for me. JA seems to be routinely double teamed and even sometimes triple teamed so you would expect those playing next to him to have better results statistically, so I am a little cautious about attributing so much of DPs stats purely to his talent level. Paying all 4 DL when there are so many other holes to fill, not to mention up coming contracts for KC and others, doesn't seem like a good use of resources. I still can't get on board with the idea of trading Sweat or Young so the logical move would be to franchise Payne as a precursor to trading him. All of the talk about getting a deal done might just be setting the table about wanting to keep him to elevate his value in a trade. They were talking about trading him through last offseason up to the trade deadline but didn't receive the offers that made it worth it. Any return from a trade could be used to get another young DT in the draft, even if it is a 3rd compensatory pick. I think the arrival of Ridgeway may have influenced the path they take, I just cant see the value in paying him $18-20m apy .[/quote]

It's a good problem to have. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. With the cap going up all the time, I think you can keep Payne. It's fun watching him and Allen work together. Get Mathis back healthy and with Ridgeway, that is probably the best 4-man rotation at DL in the league.

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If CY comes back ready to roll, this DL would be the best in football

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1332007]If CY comes back ready to roll, this DL would be the best in football[/quote]

and we need St. Juste back pronto

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Payne is having by far his best year, wonder how much is the “chase the bag” mentality…as Doc Walker would say…motivation to get a large payday in a contract year.

We spent a second on a DT and have another young in Ridgeway who has flashed. I think we are in a better position to let Payne walk than other spots on the team.

It’s gonna be quite the decision…I would lean towards Ron applying the tag. Because of other questions remain along that Oline such as will CY be that dominant player and can Mathis recover and play at a high level at DT? Applying the tag allows that ability.

Re: Daron Payne
 

Payne was already a beast coming into this year. I don't think his motivation would slip with a big payday. He's a dog.

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[quote=MTK;1332027]and we need St. Juste back pronto[/quote]

Agree 100%. He's the most important person to get back on the field right now -- more important than CY in my view (although that would be nice too). His coverage skills are missed, as is his tackling. Sounds like it is trending well for him, Turner, Gibson, and Young. Let's hope they can suit up and be ready to roll Sunday evening. Code red threat level midnight game for sure.

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[QUOTE=calia;1332033]Agree 100%. He's the most important person to get back on the field right now -- more important than CY in my view (although that would be nice too). His coverage skills are missed, as is his tackling. Sounds like it is trending well for him, Turner, Gibson, and Young. Let's hope they can suit up and be ready to roll Sunday evening. Code red threat level midnight game for sure.[/QUOTE]


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Re: Daron Payne
 

Nicely played, Punch.


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Re: Daron Payne
 

Just sign Payne. I'm tired of losing our better players to other teams.

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Is Chase Young coming back?

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[quote=Packfan10;1332235]Is Chase Young coming back?[/quote]

My guess is he will, why waste a roster spot

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1332236]My guess is he will, why waste a roster spot[/quote]

This week or at least before the playoffs?

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[quote=Packfan10;1332237]This week or at least before the playoffs?[/quote]

At this point, it seems like no one except the coaches know when he will play.

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[quote=GridIron26;1332238]At this point, it seems like no one except the coaches know when he will play.[/quote]

It would seem he would be back to 100 percent by now. I don’t get it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1332234]Just sign Payne. I'm tired of losing our better players to other teams.[/quote]

My move is make him a solid offer and then a franchise tag. I would actually entertain trade offers and keep him a year.

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[quote=Packfan10;1332239]It would seem he would be back to 100 percent by now. I don’t get it.[/quote]

He had a patella tendon tear also, longer recovery.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1332243]He had a patella tendon tear also, longer recovery.[/quote]

Isn’t that what happened to Navarro Bowman former linebacker of the 49ers? I remember his injury was significant.

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[quote=Packfan10;1332237]This week or at least before the playoffs?[/quote]

Chase himself pretty much ruled out this week in an interview. Asked if he was playing against the Giants and his reply was he is trusting the process. That sounds a lot more like no than yes

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1332246]Chase himself pretty much ruled out this week in an interview. Asked if he was playing against the Giants and his reply was he is trusting the process. That sounds a lot more like no than yes[/quote]

He is medically cleared. Just sucks

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People in the know keep saying he is medically cleared, so there would be no risk to him re-injuring himself. Getting into game shape is a valid excuse but it sounds psychological to me, do you notice how he starts the week, immediately following the game, feeling great and by the time it gets to Saturday all of a sudden he is not so sure. I think he is psyching himself out. He needs to get into a game to get the feel of it again or the longer he stays out the worse the problem will get.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1332250]People in the know keep saying he is medically cleared, so there would be no risk to him re-injuring himself. Getting into game shape is a valid excuse but it sounds psychological to me, do you notice how he starts the week, immediately following the game, feeling great and by the time it gets to Saturday all of a sudden he is not so sure. I think he is psyching himself out. He needs to get into a game to get the feel of it again or the longer he stays out the worse the problem will get.[/quote]

I think at this point things aren't going according to plan and it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't come back this year. If he was needed back sure but right now he is a luxury - and that's why the coaching staff isn't pushing it.